Israel, Gaza, and the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election

[Jayhawker Soule]

Today's Forward reports:

Dramatic decline in Arab American support for Biden could benefit Trump, new poll shows​

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Arab American support for President Joe Biden’s reelection bid has plummeted in recent weeks in response to his steadfast support of Israel in its war against Hamas, according to a new poll released Tuesday.​

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The Arab American Institute survey of 805 Arab American voters showed that only 17% would vote for Biden, compared to 59% in 2020. The Democratic president’s approval rating also saw a steep decline among these voters, falling from 74% in 2020 to 29%. The poll, conducted between Oct. 4 and 12 via landline and online, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.​

It seems to me that two things are true:

• This response from many Arab Americans is perfectly understandable.
• It is, nevertheless, one of many unintended consequences that will reinforce antisemitism as a vibrant force in the upcoming elections.

The slogan that we heard in Charlottesville -- "Jews will not replace us" -- is struggling to become mainstream, and those who benefit from that slogan are winning.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I deeply relate to the revulsion that many Arab Americans are understandably feeling toward Biden, but I also worry that if enough of them vote for the Republican candidate and contribute to a Republican win in the 2024 election, their anger could inadvertently enable even more virulent and vocal dehumanization of Palestinians via the blinkered and one-dimensional stance of either Trump or DeSantis regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

As dangerous and lopsided as Biden's position has been, I believe it must be considered in comparison to the positions of his opponents, not in a vacuum. The alternative could sadly be even worse, which says a lot about the status quo of American foreign policy concerning the Middle East.

The main upside I see to these indications of tangible PR and electoral consequences for Biden—and some other heavily pro-Israel Western leaders, like the Tories—is that, at least in some countries, fully supporting Israel's policies toward Palestinians is clearly no longer free or almost free of tangible cost for a president/prime minister or political party.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The main upside I see to these indications of tangible PR and electoral consequences for Biden—and some other heavily pro-Israel Western leaders, like the Tories—is that, at least in some countries, fully supporting Israel's policies toward Palestinians is clearly no longer free of tangible cost for a president/prime minister or political party.

Yes. Unfortunately, this upside will almost certainly facilitate the increasing normalization of antisemitism. That this may well be an unintended consequence does little to lesson my concern.

 

[Estro Felino]

In the US there are lots of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Slavs in general who really disapprove of what the dems have been doing for the last decade in Eastern Europe... the US is partially made up of Europeans. It's a fact.

So, the democratic party has always been tendentiously known for being pro-war.
Not only in the case of Israel.
In all cases.
Israel is just one of the many war scenarios where the dems are pro-war.

 

[Debater Slayer]

In the US there are lots of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Slavs in general who really disapprove of what the dems have been doing for the last decade in Eastern Europe.
So... the US is partially made up of Europeans. It's a fact.

What does this have to do with the OP?

 

[Koldo]

In the US there are lots of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Slavs in general who really disapprove of what the dems have been doing for the last decade in Eastern Europe... the US is partially made up of Europeans. It's a fact.

So, the democratic party has always been tendentiously known for being pro-war.
Not only in the case of Israel.
In all cases.
Israel is just one of the many war scenarios where the dems are pro-war.

Selective memory?
Did you forget about Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

[LuisDantas]

In the US there are lots of Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Slavs in general who really disapprove of what the dems have been doing for the last decade in Eastern Europe... the US is partially made up of Europeans. It's a fact.

So, the democratic party has always been tendentiously known for being pro-war.
Not only in the case of Israel.
In all cases.
Israel is just one of the many war scenarios where the dems are pro-war.

Even taking for granted that there is such a thing as a generic "pro-war" stance, it is really shameful how you neglect to consider Reagan, the two George Bushes and Trump.

How could one take such a claim seriously?

 

[Bthoth]

Today's Forward reports:

Dramatic decline in Arab American support for Biden could benefit Trump, new poll shows​

Run a new poll.

But this time add that trump signed S1322 for building the US embassy in Jerusalem. Accepting that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

It is directly against UN res 476 and 478 respectively

 

[wellwisher]

Today's Forward reports:

Dramatic decline in Arab American support for Biden could benefit Trump, new poll shows​

​

Arab American support for President Joe Biden’s reelection bid has plummeted in recent weeks in response to his steadfast support of Israel in its war against Hamas, according to a new poll released Tuesday.​

​

The Arab American Institute survey of 805 Arab American voters showed that only 17% would vote for Biden, compared to 59% in 2020. The Democratic president’s approval rating also saw a steep decline among these voters, falling from 74% in 2020 to 29%. The poll, conducted between Oct. 4 and 12 via landline and online, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.​

It seems to me that two things are true:

• This response from many Arab Americans is perfectly understandable.
• It is, nevertheless, one of many unintended consequences that will reinforce antisemitism as a vibrant force in the upcoming elections.

The slogan that we heard in Charlottesville -- "Jews will not replace us" -- is struggling to become mainstream, and those who benefit from that slogan are winning.

Trump brought peace to the Middle East after Obama and Biden precipitated the Arab Spring Wars. This was due to appeasing Iran; with pallets of cash then. Iran also has its fingers in this current conflict after getting funding from Biden. It was called humanitarian aid, but that is how money laundering works. Iran will not have pay to feed their people, so they invested in bombs for Gaza. Trump projected peace through strength, which was respected by all the Arabs countries.

Biden and Democrats tend to side with renegade countries like Iran, which, opens a can of worms, that Trump is better equipped to fix.

Washington needs a serious house cleaning and reorganization to avoid stepping backwards again and again.

 

[Bthoth]

Trump brought peace to the Middle East after Obama and Biden precipitated the Arab Spring Wars.

Trump went against the majority on the earth by signing s1322 Embassy act of 1985 moving the US embassy to jerusalem.

The arab spring started in Egypt when the population found out that their leadership was sending israel their fuel for pennies on the dollar.

This was due to appeasing Iran; with pallets of cash then.

It was their money and the focal reason the sanctions were imposed was because israel is afraid of iran becoming nuclear capable

Iran will not have pay to feed their people, so they invested in bombs for Gaza.

Evidence? Gaza getting weapons with taped on labels does not mean iran gave them to them. I saw the images.

Trump projected peace through strength, which was respected by all the Arabs countries.

What strength? Moving an embassy and ranting is not strength. Netanyahu approved "Trump heights' for moving the embassy. Renaming the golan. Trump does nothing for anyone without getting something for his own personal gains.

Trumps a crook and could care less about US or Israel. He uses everyone and sells the idea of benefiting US because folk like you are too simple to ever check before believing him as a practically a god.

Trumps own children are about to testify against him. Do you have any such integrity to be honest and do the work before defending him?

 

[Colt]

Yes. Unfortunately, this upside will almost certainly facilitate the increasing normalization of antisemitism. That this may well be an unintended consequence does little to lesson my concern.

Right wing (R)'s tend to be pro-Israel while the some on the Left welcome the Jewish vote in America while inwardly loathing Israel!

 

[Bthoth]

Right wing (R)'s tend to be pro-Israel while the some on the Left welcome the Jewish vote in America while inwardly loathing Israel!

Israel does not represent the Jews. Especially here in the USA.

Only a complete fool could support what israel is doing right now in gaza. Jews are far too honest to be so blind.

 

[Orbit]

Israel does not represent the Jews. Especially here in the USA.

Only a complete fool could support what israel is doing right now in gaza. Jews are far too honest to be so blind.

You might find this interesting: U.S. Jews have widely differing views on Israel

 

[Estro Felino]

Even taking for granted that there is such a thing as a generic "pro-war" stance, it is really shameful how you neglect to consider Reagan, the two George Bushes and Trump.

How could one take such a claim seriously?

Tulsi Gabbard: I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party, that's under the control of an elitist cabal of warmongers, who are driven by cowardly wokeness.

No dem has ever refuted this claim. When some dem leader does, we can discuss.

 

[LuisDantas]

Tulsi Gabbard: I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party, that's under the control of an elitist cabal of warmongers, who are driven by cowardly wokeness.

No dem has ever refuted this claim. When some dem leader does, we can discuss.

My money is on their refusal to taking such a claim seriously.

I would do the same.

 

[Riders]

Today's Forward reports:

Dramatic decline in Arab American support for Biden could benefit Trump, new poll shows​

​

Arab American support for President Joe Biden’s reelection bid has plummeted in recent weeks in response to his steadfast support of Israel in its war against Hamas, according to a new poll released Tuesday.​

​

The Arab American Institute survey of 805 Arab American voters showed that only 17% would vote for Biden, compared to 59% in 2020. The Democratic president’s approval rating also saw a steep decline among these voters, falling from 74% in 2020 to 29%. The poll, conducted between Oct. 4 and 12 via landline and online, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.​

It seems to me that two things are true:

• This response from many Arab Americans is perfectly understandable.
• It is, nevertheless, one of many unintended consequences that will reinforce antisemitism as a vibrant force in the upcoming elections.

The slogan that we heard in Charlottesville -- "Jews will not replace us" -- is struggling to become mainstream, and those who benefit from that slogan are winning.

Isn't the Arab community that votes too small to really make a big difference in the election?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Isn't the Arab community that votes too small to really make a big difference in the election?

There are two issues:

• the Arab American vote, and
• the Arab American effect on other voters.

So, for example, how might the disaffection of this demographic impact the vote of other communities of color?

abc News published a piece on October 16, 2020, under the headline

Arab American voters could play important role in key swing states​

where it noted by way of example:

In Michigan, the large majority of the 200,000 Arab Americans live in the Detroit area and in the largely Arab American city of Dearborn, in Wayne County. A Democratic statewide win depends on a massive majority from Wayne County, according to the Arab American Institute. In 2016, Trump won Michigan by fewer than 11,000 votes out of nearly 4.8 million.​

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In Minnesota, the Census Bureau estimates the statewide Arab American population is close to 108,553. The North Star state has been increasingly seen as a potential swing state following Trump's narrow loss there in 2016 to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, who won Minnesota by about 44,500 votes or 1.5%.​