Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

[Jayhawker Soule]

It’s too bad that many Jews, especially those far away from the situation here in the US, are not willing to face reality.

The diaspora, with its manifold ties to Israel, its people, and its history, increasingly faces a reality that you seem unwilling or unable to fully appreciate. But, trust me, the last thing we need is this type of condescension.

 

[Samael_Khan]

The US is already providing some security and is asking him to stop. We cannot do it, but we could ask another country to take over security of Gaza. I could see this being very good both for Israel and USA.

I wonder if S. Africa would be willing to step up and take over security there?

As a South African I would be against it because why must our government send security to another country when we have been asking for security from gangs, syndicates and criminals for decades? We would all be furious.

At the moment, the only reason that I am ok with South Africa assisting conflicts in Africa is because all our countries affect each other and for us to be prosperous other african countries must be prosperous too.

Also, we aren't a militarily powerful country so we can't be stupid enough to challenge one of the most powerful nations militarily in such a way.

 

[metis]

I understand the pro Israeli camp do not consider Palestinians to be human and worthy of life like Jewish mass murderers are

I would suggest not going into a mind reading occupation.

 

[Shaul]

More accurately, that was not "Palestinians," it was Hamas, a much smaller group made up of rabid Palestinians. I do not take all Palestinians to be of the same sort.

Hamas holds the majority in the Palestinian parliament.
Hamas wins huge majority

 

[LuisDantas]

I understand the pro Israeli camp do not consider Palestinians to be human and worthy of life like Jewish mass murderers are

Not necessarily.

 

[Shaul]

From the Times of Israel:

Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state, attacks Israeli media, denies blindsiding Gallant​

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During a combative press conference Thursday evening, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the prospect of Palestinian statehood after the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, and vowed to resist the United States on the matter.​

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He also denied blindsiding his defense minister over a deal to send medicines into Gaza for Israeli hostages, accused Israeli media of spreading pessimism about the progress of the war, and said Hamas and Iran were hoping to see his government fall and elections held mid-war.​

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On the issue of Palestinian sovereignty, Netanyahu was speaking after a report on Wednesday that the Biden administration is looking past the premier to advance a two-state solution, and hours after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Israel cannot achieve “genuine security” without a pathway to a Palestinian state.​

The U.S. and the Israeli people must stop this man.

Days before Netanyahu's speech the head of the Hamas diaspora[sic] office reiterated Hamas rejection of the two state solution.
Meshaal: Hamas rejects ‘two-state solution’

 

[InChrist]

The diaspora, with its manifold ties to Israel, its people, and its history, increasingly faces a reality that you seem unwilling or unable to fully appreciate. But, trust me, the last thing we need is this type of condescension.

I don’t intend to be condescending. I’m sure there are Jewish people around the world with a variety of perspectives concerning the nation of Israel, as well as the situation occurring now. You are certainly welcome to express your perspective and reality as you see it. I do appreciate reading your posts, as well as others.

 

[Revoltingest]

“A large majority of Palestinians support terrorism and the murder of Jews, a fact repeatedly proven through surveys.

A majority of Israelis support state terrorism, murder
of Muslims, apartheid, torture, war crimes, land theft,
group punishment, jailing without trial, & denial of
a Palestinian state.
They're no better than those they criticize.
Nay...they're even worse because they kill
& maim so very many more innocents.

 

[Laniakea]

Days before Netanyahu's speech the head of the Hamas diaspora[sic] office reiterated Hamas rejection of the two state solution.
Meshaal: Hamas rejects ‘two-state solution’

And now Hamas rejects Israel's proposal of a 2 month cease-fire in exchange for the hostages.
It seems that they'd rather keep the hostages and continue being bombed for those 2 months.

 

[InChrist]

A majority of Israelis support state terrorism, murder
of Muslims, apartheid, torture, war crimes, land theft,
group punishment, jailing without trial, & denial of
a Palestinian state.
They're no better than those they criticize.
Nay...they're even worse because they kill
& maim so very many more innocents.

I think your perspective is truly twisted. I don’t think there’s much we can discuss.

 

[Shaul]

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And now Hamas rejects Israel's proposal of a 2 month cease-fire in exchange for the hostages.
It seems that they'd rather keep the hostages and continue being bombed for those 2 months.

Gazans have protested against Hamas demanding the release of the hostages.
Gazans call for release of Israeli hostages in rare protest against Hamas

 

[Laniakea]

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Gazans have protested against Hamas demanding the release of the hostages.
Gazans call for release of Israeli hostages in rare protest against Hamas

Looks like Hamas and the Gazan people are truly on a separate page.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think your perspective is truly twisted.

And I yours.
That you can dismiss the order of magnitude
greater number of innocents murdered by
Israel, & the permanent maiming of many
more, & the theft of their land, & apartheid
is hideous.

I don’t think there’s much we can discuss.

Not until you see human rights
as for everyone, not just Jews.

 

[InChrist]

And I yours.
That you can dismiss the order of magnitude
greater number of innocents murdered by
Israel, & the permanent maiming of many
more, & the theft of their land, & apartheid
is hideous.

Not until you see human rights
as for everyone, not just Jews.

Of course I care about human rights for everyone, not just Jews. Yet, I will never turn a blind eye or agree with those who espouse the destruction of Israel. The Palestinian people are truly suffering and I find this grievous. I’m not saying those of Israel are not guilty of certain things, but for years now it’s been the corrupt, terrorist PLO and Hamas leadership that uses and abuses the Palestinian people as pawns and weapons against Israel, which is the cause of their continual suffering.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course I care about human rights for everyone, not just Jews.

But this isn't reflected in policies you support.

Yet, I will never turn a blind eye or agree with those who espouse the destruction of Israel.

You loathe those who say Israel should be destroyed.
Yet you're OK with preventing a Palestinian state from
existing. And now Israel is destroying Gaza, & evicting
the Palestinians...trying to send them to Africa.
This is a double standard.

The Palestinian people are truly suffering and I find this grievous. I’m not saying those of Israel are not guilty of certain things, but for years now it’s been the corrupt, terrorist PLO and Hamas leadership that uses and abuses the Palestinian people as pawns and weapons against Israel, which is the cause of their continual suffering.

You rail against Hamas & the PLO, but for Israel, it's only
"not saying those of Israel are not guilty of certain things".

Israel stole their land, killed many tens of thousands, sent
many more into exile, imposed apartheid, denies equal
justice, violates international law, & now pursues deadly
vengeance, sending millions away from homes in Gaza.

This is far far far worse than even the sum total of what
the PLO & Hamas have done to Israel. Yet your criticism
of Israel is muted to near silence.

It's one thing to say that you value the lives & rights of
both Jews & Muslims. But to support policies that are
so brutally otherwise is utterly inconsistent.

 

[Bthoth]

It’s too bad that many Jews, especially those far away from the situation here in the US, are not willing to face reality.

The reality is, israel is an apartheid oppressing millions and have for over half a century. The rude and obtuse do not see palestinians as having an equal right to live and survive in palestine.

“To consider the alternative – that the people themselves are guilty – is both terrifying and difficult for good Jews to absorb.

I know, Now jews all over the world are being condemned for what israel is doing. It's just wrong as many Jews are against israel too.

Jews are raised to be kind and merciful; it’s hard for us to believe that average Palestinian mothers and fathers raise their children to hate and murder Jews,

Funny, The majority of palestinians are fatherless and widowed women, that had their fathers and husbands murdered by israelis, simply for even being there.

See what the settlers have been doing about every week since that nutlessyahoo let them build in palestinian lands

We are accustomed to looking inwards, to blaming ourselves. And so Daniel has convinced himself of a comforting narrative, that most Palestinians are innocent.

Sure most palestinians are innocent, unarmed and victims of apartheid/oppression.

The Jews are "accustomed to looking inwards, to blaming ourselves" and why the actual jews are against israel even if many israelis are their own family members.

But this is not a time for wishful thinking. Our very lives depend on seeing the world clearly and looking evil in the eye.

The evil, must have that city of blood and willing to terrorize palesinians until they crack.

When you live in Judea as I do, surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Arabs, this is no exaggeration. And these days, as mass crowds of Palestinians and their supporters call for Jewish genocide all over America, delusional perspectives like Daniel’s are putting the lives of American Jews at risk as well.”

The delusional want to remove palestinians from their homeland and the rude are defending israel as they impose genocide.

An Uncomfortable Truth: The “Innocent Palestinians”

Terrorists are not a guilty minority terrorizing an innocent majority. They are not “lone actors,” but rather the messengers and representatives of their people - just as I am a representative and messenger of the Jewish people.

www.israel365news.com

Israeli news should be banned from western societies. Because they have lied for so long it is now just normal to them.

 

[Bthoth]

Of course I care about human rights for everyone, not just Jews.

Do you actually think it is OK to write that line?

 

[Laniakea]

The reality is, israel is an apartheid oppressing millions and have for over half a century. The rude and obtuse do not see palestinians as having an equal right to live and survive in palestine.

I know, Now jews all over the world are being condemned for what israel is doing. It's just wrong as many Jews are against israel too.

Funny, The majority of palestinians are fatherless and widowed women, that had their fathers and husbands murdered by israelis, simply for even being there.

See what the settlers have been doing about every week since that nutlessyahoo let them build in palestinian lands


Sure most palestinians are innocent, unarmed and victims of apartheid/oppression.

The Jews are "accustomed to looking inwards, to blaming ourselves" and why the actual jews are against israel even if many israelis are their own family members.

The evil, must have that city of blood and willing to terrorize palesinians until they crack.

The delusional want to remove palestinians from their homeland and the rude are defending israel as they impose genocide.

Israeli news should be banned from western societies. Because they have lied for so long it is now just normal to them.

Everything you've parroted here is from Hamas. Not the source of information to be relying on.

 

[Bthoth]

Everything you've parroted here is from Hamas.

You must have HAMAS on your mind.

Does the guilt ring in your head?

Not the source of information to be relying on.

I am tool old to rely on others for the history that I have watched for over half a century.

Does HAMAS read the UN resolutions?

DOES HAMAS have conversations with Jews here in the USA?

Do you even know any Jews?

Here in the free world, Jews are against israel.

 

[Laniakea]

You must have HAMAS on your mind.

Does the guilt ring in your head?

I am tool old to rely on others for the history that I have watched for over half a century.

Does HAMAS read the UN resolutions?

DOES HAMAS have conversations with Jews here in the USA?

Do you even know any Jews?

Here in the free world, Jews are against israel.

If by "Jews", you're referring to the Hamas sympathizers who block traffic on American highways and attack police, then sure!