Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

[Bthoth]

If you think both Palestine and Israel should exist, then why are you so opposed to Israel defending itself against those who want to see Israel destroyed and don’t want it to exist?

I agree about the gun control.

Israel has been stopping Palestine from existing. The thread title is perfect evidence and the attempt to eliminate the population has been ongoing for half a century.
Israel expects to wipe palestine off the map.

Where are the condemnation for those atrocities?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Israel expects to wipe palestine off the map.

1. What Palestine is that?
2. "Netanyahu vows" ≠ "Israel expects"

 

[Laniakea]

Israel has been stopping Palestine from existing. The thread title is perfect evidence and the attempt to eliminate the population has been ongoing for half a century.
Israel expects to wipe palestine off the map.

Where are the condemnation for those atrocities?

Hamas is what Israel said they want to eliminate. Now, if you want to conflate all Palestinians with Hamas, that's on you. You're the one equating the entire Palestinian population with Hamas terrorists.

 

[Bthoth]

1. What Palestine is that?

The very place israel exists within. The maps cannot be undone.

1. "Netanyahu vows" ≠ "Israel expects"

Not even relevant. The people WILL NOT be exterminated, the land will still be palestine.

 

[Bthoth]

Hamas is what Israel said they want to eliminate.

I understand. Any resistance that will use such tactics as 10/7 will lose. I know, i appreciate that fact. But likewise, HAMAS exists ( A resistance) because of oppression and apartheid. If the atrocities continue, there will be more HAMAS style fighting and terrorism.

Now, if you want to conflate all Palestinians with Hamas, that's on you.

I know better and why the 25k deaths of gaza are just wrong. 10/7 does not substantiate the atrocity.

You're the one equating the entire Palestinian population with Hamas terrorists.

No I am not. That is a direct fib to even write.

 

[Laniakea]

I understand. Any resistance that will use such tactics as 10/7 will lose. I know, i appreciate that fact. But likewise, HAMAS exists ( A resistance) because of oppression and apartheid. If the atrocities continue, there will be more HAMAS style fighting and terrorism.

I know better and why the 25k deaths of gaza are just wrong. 10/7 does not substantiate the atrocity.

No I am not. That is a direct fib to even write.

Hamas exists because the Gazans want them to. They're oppressed by Hamas, not Israel. Hamas is the entity that builds terrorist tunnels in places where Gazans would be killed if they were taken out. They're also the ones firing the rockets (made with Gaza water pipes).
And the 25,000 dead (if you believe Hamas, which you do) are mostly Hamas fighters. That is, unless you want to believe that they all managed to stay alive while they allowed their civilian population to be killed.

 

[libre]

They're oppressed by Hamas, not Israel.

Yes, because everything was fine before 1987.

 

[Laniakea]

Yes, because everything was fine before 1987.

Israel agreed to withdraw from parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and arm a Palestinian police force — and did so — even though Arafat did not fulfill his promises to recognize Israel's right to exist, renounce terrorism, negotiate disputes, and confiscate illegal weapons.

 

[InChrist]

Israel has been stopping Palestine from existing. The thread title is perfect evidence and the attempt to eliminate the population has been ongoing for half a century.
Israel expects to wipe palestine off the map.

Where are the condemnation for those atrocities?

My perspective: your accusations are completely false.

Israel has not been stopping Palestine from existing and I think to say something like that is ridiculous. Israel has never implemented or participated in any military, political, religious, economic or cultural campaign intended to destroy the ethnical, racial, and religious structure of the Palestinian people and is prevented both constitutionally and morally from doing so. To engage in ethnic cleansing runs against the moral, religious, and ethical codes of the Jewish people. Over the years, the Palestinian Arab population has substantially increased in Gaza and the West Bank which is NOT indicative of genocide. The accusation of genocide is false. As long as Hamas or Islamic terrorist leaders continue to use the Palestinian people as pawns and weapons in their attempt to destroy Israel, peace is unlikely. It’s not Israel that has initiated constant attacks with thousands of rockets, missiles, explosives mostly against civilian targets, while using their own citizens as human shields, using civilians and children to dig tunnels, but Israel’s neighbor(s) with their openly stated intent to wipe Israel off the map.

 

[Bthoth]

Hamas exists because the Gazans want them to.

The uprooted folk from Jerusalem? Would you?

They're oppressed by Hamas, not Israel.

The palestinians are living under the oppression of israel. The people of gaza were put into the concentration camp by illegal occupation.

Hamas is the entity that builds terrorist tunnels in places where Gazans would be killed if they were taken out.

So they hide underground from the superior force of israel using US weapons. Would you?

They're also the ones firing the rockets (made with Gaza water pipes).

That is sad. They should have equal weapons, if there is to be a fight. The irgun had US to supply their weapons of terrorism.

And the 25,000 dead (if you believe Hamas, which you do) are mostly Hamas fighters.

That's a lie of the apartheid state, israel. Apparently you think all palestinians are hamas.

That is, unless you want to believe that they all managed to stay alive while they allowed their civilian population to be killed.

No, the resistence is very very small, the majority of the gazan are women and children.

 

[Bthoth]

My perspective: your accusations are completely false.

Israel has not been stopping Palestine from existing and I think to say something like that is ridiculous. Israel has never implemented or participated in any military, political, religious, economic or cultural campaign intended to destroy the ethnical, racial, and religious structure of the Palestinian people and is prevented both constitutionally and morally from doing so.

Funny, but make the lands illegally occupied as a Jewish state? Cute, as the intent is to ethnically clear out the region.

To engage in ethnic cleansing runs against the moral, religious, and ethical codes of the Jewish people.

I agree, the Jews are against the illegal occupation.

Over the years, the Palestinian Arab population has substantially increased in Gaza and the West Bank which is indicative of genocide.

I already know that. The palestinians are procreating. While israel is importing more women of service than child birth.

The accusation of genocide is false.

The uprooting and illegal occupation is clear. The genocide WILL NOT HAPPEN. That i can assure you.

As long as Hamas or Islamic terrorist leaders continue to use the Palestinian people as pawns and weapons in their attempt to destroy Israel,

Nothing short of nukes can destroy israel. That is clear. But creating more terrorist with atrocities like the gaza massacre's's's, just creates more monsters out of human beings.

peace is unlikely.

Not if israel stops the oppression/apartheid. Then there can be hope.

It’s not Israel that has initiated constant attacks with thousands of rockets, missiles, explosives mostly against civilian targets, while using their own citizens as human shields, using civilians and children to dig tunnels, but Israel’s neighbor(s) with their openly stated intent to wipe Israel off the map.

No israel just attacks the civilians outright and the religious sites about every week and that stirs the post constantly.

How many israelis are in HAMAS prisons on a weekly basis? How many israelis are held accountable for attacking innocent palestinians?

And go visit israel and visit the underground weapons hideouts of irgun, the original terrorist of the region.

The palestinians just learned from the oppressive state, israel. And like now, the israelis are still murdering the parents of the next generation of HAMAS. It's a vicious cycle and you still have no idea why israel is even there in palestine?

 

[Revoltingest]

If you think both Palestine and Israel should exist, then why are you so opposed to Israel defending itself....

Another error, boychik.
I favor self defense, Mr Nimrod.
I've even advocated it for Israel, laddie.
But genocide is not self defense, Flanders.
It's genocide, ie, mass killing that's augmented
by sending them all fleeing from their homeland.
Israel is only making their country more threatened.
But fanatical religious bigotry is where reason goes to die.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But genocide is not self defense, Flanders.

And what is happening today, however horrendous, is not genocide.

 

[Bthoth]

And what is happening today, however horrendous, is not genocide.

If allowed to continue, it will end up a genocide except that the survivors will return with far more hatred than antisemitism.

The ethnic clearing of the lands is a form of genocide, even if the population is not down right murdered outright.

 

[Revoltingest]

And what is happening today, however horrendous, is not genocide.

This is utter denial.
But even if you disagree about the definition
& application of the word, to justify the kill &
maim ration of Israel to Hamas, & to call for
a diaspora, sending all Palestinians to Africa,
this is hideously immoral.
Israel's dishonest "voluntary emigration" is
the gravy on the cake that makes it "genocide".

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

This is utter denial.

No, it is not.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it is not.

Well, that makes it all OK.
Deny the label, therefore it didn't happen.
USA will send thousands more bombs, more
white phosphorus, more ammunition, & Israel
will righteously send the surviving Palestinians
into the welcoming arms of African countries.
God should've chosen better.

War on Gaza: Israel 'negotiating with African states' to receive exiled Palestinians

A report in an Israeli media outlet says several African countries might be willing to accept those ethnically cleansed from Gaza

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well, that makes it all OK.

If you say so. I, on the other hand, do not find any of this to be OK -- including your obnoxious vitriol.

 

[Laniakea]

The uprooted folk from Jerusalem? Would you?

The palestinians are living under the oppression of israel. The people of gaza were put into the concentration camp by illegal occupation.

So they hide underground from the superior force of israel using US weapons. Would you?

That is sad. They should have equal weapons, if there is to be a fight. The irgun had US to supply their weapons of terrorism.

That's a lie of the apartheid state, israel. Apparently you think all palestinians are hamas.

No, the resistence is very very small, the majority of the gazan are women and children.

The Gazans can leave whenever they wish. Half of their land is on waterfront property. So if they would devote as much time to building boats as they do to building rockets and tunnels, they could go wherever they want. Heck, there is even a southern border of the United states they could cross and get everything they want. Plenty of options available.

 

[Laniakea]

If allowed to continue, it will end up a genocide except that the survivors will return with far more hatred than antisemitism.

The ethnic clearing of the lands is a form of genocide, even if the population is not down right murdered outright.

It's nice to see you finally admitting that antisemitism is what Hamas and their cheerleaders are showing. I hope you are willing to be educated beyond that.