Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

[sun rise]

Yes, I do think a two-state solution with the Palestinians having 100% control over all decisions is highly unlikely.

In situations like this a goal is not immediate and automatic. Careful step-by-small cautious step over time is needed. How long? Good question.

 

[sun rise]

Yeah, that's what they were trying to say on October 7th. They "just want to be left in peace".

Ignoring the news of their atrocities and call for genocide I see.

 

[LuisDantas]

Just like WWII came after WWI sometimes the "fire" has to burn out in an orgy of destruction.

There was a period a few years ago when I decided to learn about World War I. One thing I learned was that both sides could barely believe their own insanity at times. That was a war of attempting to defeat machine guns with cavalry.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Ignoring the news of their atrocities and call for genocide I see.

Whose "call for genocide"?

 

[Bthoth]

From the Times of Israel:

Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state, attacks Israeli media, denies blindsiding Gallant​

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During a combative press conference Thursday evening, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the prospect of Palestinian statehood after the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, and vowed to resist the United States on the matter.​

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He also denied blindsiding his defense minister over a deal to send medicines into Gaza for Israeli hostages, accused Israeli media of spreading pessimism about the progress of the war, and said Hamas and Iran were hoping to see his government fall and elections held mid-war.​

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On the issue of Palestinian sovereignty, Netanyahu was speaking after a report on Wednesday that the Biden administration is looking past the premier to advance a two-state solution, and hours after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Israel cannot achieve “genuine security” without a pathway to a Palestinian state.​

The U.S. and the Israeli people must stop this man.

So US citizens should tell our president, to shut off the funding. What israel has done to those people must stop before one of the rogue get a nuclear weapon.

What sickens me the most is that israel has done more damage to Jews and the integrity of Judaism, than anything since ww2.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What is clear is that stories such as ...

After phone call, Biden says two-state solution not 'impossible' while Netanyahu is PM​

are anything but encouraging. Asinine appeasement tends to be an existential threat to coexistence.

And now ...

Netanyahu pushes back on report he told Biden he isn't ruling out Palestinian state​

(I'm suppressing the urge to start another rant about my President.)

 

[Laniakea]

Palestinians who wish to destroy Israel use the same argument. The entire history of the modern state of Israel has been the suffering of the Palestinian.

That's what they get for putting an organization like Hamas over them. Digging up water pipes to use the material to create weapons, digging tunnels under hospitals and schools in order to launch attacks, and stockpiling other weapons to do surprise attacks on the Israeli population has only created suffering for Palestinians. Maybe they should vote for a liberal in their next election.

 

[Laniakea]

Rather than prescience, it could be that Israel
allowed the attack to happen, thereby creating
the pretext to eliminate Palestinians from Gaza.
Israel has made enuf announcements that it
intends this.

Conspiracy theory much?

 

[Laniakea]

Ignoring the news of their atrocities and call for genocide I see.

You see what you want to see. I simply said what you're saying, and you took offense at it.

 

[Laniakea]

Whose "call for genocide"?

They always project unto others as to what they themselves doeth.

 

[Koldo]

Realistically?

One way would be a true occupation. I mean Israelis living there in Gaza with full protection from the IDF and a long, gradual work of destroying the tunnels and emptying Hamas and similar groups by political and economic incentives.

That sounds like building settlements in Gaza once again...

Ideally it ought to be supplemented by some sort of encouragement to settling the Palestinians elsewhere, voluntarily and in neighbor countries if at all possible.

Another option might be some sort of well-publicized temporary exchange of voluntary hostages-for-peace, let's say for six months at a time. One of the main stumbling blocks of this conflict is the temptation of dehumanizing the people of each side. Exert diplomatic pressure over Fatah, Hamas and Israel demanding such an effort before terms for the continuation or resconsideration of military and economic support for both sides are decided. Allow both groups to live at the other side of the border for a few months them return with their history and memories of the time. Repeat. By all means, repeat that wide and often if at all possible. Give the leaders of each side solid reason to be scared cold in their bones by the prospect of using military, lethal force on people that have known names, faces, and history among people of their own side. Make widespread, worldwide announcements of those names, faces and histories and the people they know personally that may have been killed or harmed by the conflicts.

Probably unrealistic. But I truly wish it could happen.

If anything the palestinians will keep reporting what a hell hole Gaza is compared to Israel and that will keep the flame of resentment alive.

 

[Revoltingest]

Conspiracy theory much?

Justify genocide much?

 

[Colt]

Talking Hezbolla or the Houthi's ?

Palestinians in Gaza joining their distant Palestinian cousins in Israel along with Arab Jews, Arab Christians, Druze, Jews, Christians etc.

 

[LuisDantas]

That sounds like building settlements in Gaza once again...

Except that there would be no attempt at seeking political autonomy there this time.

I fear that Gaza (and perhaps also the West Bank) may have failed beyond recovery.

If anything the palestinians will keep reporting what a hell hole Gaza is compared to Israel and that will keep the flame of resentment alive.

So, you did not read what I wrote. Get it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In reality, that's besides the point as we well know what Hamas did on 10-7 and why. Israel had no choice to respond, plus realistically had no real choice as to back off their response and just return to the same ole, same ole. If missiles are raining down on villages, how can that be stopped without doing what the IDF is doing? [rhetorical] With hundreds of miles of tunnels in Gaza, many quite deep, they had to be dealt with. It's highly unfortunate as to the number of innocents that are being killed, but that unfortunately is the reality of modern warfare, especially urban.

All that can ever do is ensure continuing violence.
What do you think those innocent Palestinians are going to do, especially with so many of them being young men, if they are going to get killed by the IDF anyways?

 

[Revoltingest]

All that can ever do is ensure continuing violence.

The fundie Christian view doesn't allow for any but
2 alternatives, ie, overkill or do nothing. Of course,
this is intended to justify overkill as the only choice.
They don't consider the consequences of overkill, ie,
inevitable violent resistance.
They call Jesus "the Prince of Peace". Yet they favor
reckless vengeance. It's religion induced insanity,
ie, doing the same thing over & over, yet each time
expecting a different result.

 

[Koldo]

Except that there would be no attempt at seeking political autonomy there this time.

I fear that Gaza (and perhaps also the West Bank) may have failed beyond recovery.

I don't think so.

So, you did not read what I wrote. Get it.

I did. I just don't see how gazans coming back from Israel, and saying how much better the israeli live, won't serve as fuel for resentment.

 

[Laniakea]

Justify genocide much?

No, I don't try to justify what Hamas did.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, I don't try to justify what Hamas did.

But you do approve of what Israel did & is doing?

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't think so.

Have you been there or something?

I did.

I stand unconvinced.

I just don't see how gazans coming back from Israel, and saying how much better the israeli live, won't serve as fuel for resentment.

Which, of course, puts doubt that you even read what I posted.