Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

[Laniakea]

But you do approve of what Israel did & is doing?

Defending themselves, and getting rid of the threat they've been having to defend themselves against since the beginning? Yes.

 

[Sargonski]

Defending themselves, and getting rid of the threat they've been having to defend themselves against since the beginning? Yes.

The ability of the Palestinians to defend themselves against the threat posed by the foreign occupier is limited ... much less than Ukraine. Thus, we shold be arming and supportingthe Palestinians like our friends in Ukraine.

 

[oldbadger]

FWIW, I tend to discount posts claiming prescience as being, at least in part, the product of bias.

I wait for any breakdowns or changes that might occur in the Israeli leadership.

 

[Laniakea]

The ability of the Palestinians to defend themselves against the threat posed by the foreign occupier is limited ... much less than Ukraine. Thus, we shold be arming and supportingthe Palestinians like our friends in Ukraine.

The war they initiated on October 7th indicates that they have high confidence and their ability to defend themselves. How about we take their word (or at least their actions) for it?

 

[Sargonski]

The war they initiated on October 7th indicates that they have high confidence and their ability to defend themselves. How about we take their word (or at least their actions) for it?

Clearly the confidence of Hamas was misplaced .. presuming they had this confidence to begin with which I doubt .. in this war that Israel provoked .. which is not really much of a War .. and more of far stronger Occupier conducting Ethnic Cleansing on an oppressed indigenous people.. committing crimes against humanity and so forth..

Which leads us back to the question you keep avoiding -- should we not be arming the occupier .. helping the Palestinians exercise their right to self defense .. as we helped Ukraine .. hopefully with better resultes though against Israel.

 

[sayak83]

From the Times of Israel:

Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state, attacks Israeli media, denies blindsiding Gallant​

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During a combative press conference Thursday evening, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the prospect of Palestinian statehood after the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, and vowed to resist the United States on the matter.​

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He also denied blindsiding his defense minister over a deal to send medicines into Gaza for Israeli hostages, accused Israeli media of spreading pessimism about the progress of the war, and said Hamas and Iran were hoping to see his government fall and elections held mid-war.​

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On the issue of Palestinian sovereignty, Netanyahu was speaking after a report on Wednesday that the Biden administration is looking past the premier to advance a two-state solution, and hours after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Israel cannot achieve “genuine security” without a pathway to a Palestinian state.​

The U.S. and the Israeli people must stop this man.

The people of Israel should recall the words of Einstein who worked tirelessly for the establishment of Israel and was invited by them to be their 1st president (he declined).

“Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs,” he wrote Weizmann (who would be the 1st president) in 1929, “then we have learned absolutely nothing during our 2,000 years of suffering.”

He proposed, both to Weizmann and in an open letter to an Arab, that a “privy council” of four Jews and four Arabs, all independent-minded, be set up to resolve any disputes. “The two great Semitic peoples,” he said, “have a great common future.” If the Jews did not assure that both sides lived in harmony, he warned friends in the Zionist movement, the struggle would haunt them in decades to come.Once again, he was labeled naïve.

 

[Laniakea]

Clearly the confidence of Hamas was misplaced .. presuming they had this confidence to begin with which I doubt .. in this war that Israel provoked .. which is not really much of a War .. and more of far stronger Occupier conducting Ethnic Cleansing on an oppressed indigenous people.. committing crimes against humanity and so forth..

Which leads us back to the question you keep avoiding -- should we not be arming the occupier .. helping the Palestinians exercise their right to self defense .. as we helped Ukraine .. hopefully with better resultes though against Israel.

We should be helping the country that was invaded by Hamas and lost 1,200 of it's citizens.
If you want to be a cheerleader for Hamas terrorism, you should take a trip to Gaza to show your solidarity.

 

[Sargonski]

We should be helping the country that was invaded by Hamas and lost 1,200 of it's citizens.
If you want to be a cheerleader for Hamas terrorism, you should take a trip to Gaza to show your solidarity.

I am not the cheerleader for terrorism in the room .. the one apologizing for Ethnic Cleansing and Crimes against Humanity.. and never have I expressed any support for Hamas atrocity against innocent Israeli civilians Your the one been the cheerleader for atrocity and terrorism against innocent civilians .. and now need to take a big log out of own eye.

 

[Laniakea]

I am not the cheerleader for terrorism in the room .. the one apologizing for Ethnic Cleansing and Crimes against Humanity.. and never have I expressed any support for Hamas atrocity against innocent Israeli civilians Your the one been the cheerleader for atrocity and terrorism against innocent civilians .. and now need to take a big log out of own eye.

The old "Nuh uh, you are!" arguement! Classic pre-school reasoning.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am not the cheerleader for terrorism in the room ..

I recommend ignoring such attacks. They're
specious insults designed to offend & distract.
Responding to them actually encourages more
of the same.

 

[Sargonski]

I recommend ignoring such attacks. They're
specious insults designed to offend & distract.
Responding to them actually encourages more
of the same.

Good point and hence the phrase "Don't feed the Trolls" I suppose ?!

 

[Revoltingest]

 

[Sargonski]

The old "Nuh uh, you are!" arguement! Classic pre-school reasoning.

Address the topic not the individual friend .. lest we drift into the kinder-realm.

Now the Irish Delegation to the UN say "The Hague is to good for Bibi"
Bibi is tyranical war monger much worse than Putin .. oppressing the indiginous populations an Occupied Territory far less than Lord-Vlad .. What South Africa called -- and they should know .. An Apartheid Regime. Turkey calling it a Terrorist Regime .. but hey a spade is a spade.

Do you deny the right of the Ukrainians to defend against the foreign occupier ? Not at all .. and in fact feel we are just and righteous in helping the freedom fighters exercise that right of self defense by giving them weapons. Why do you not wish to help those fighting for freedom in Palestine defend themselves against the foreign Occupier .. an Occupier who has openly declared , and whose Charter is to ethnically cleanse the land .. slaughtering everything .. men, women, children, babies and fetuses.

Obviously if we are arming the Ukrainians .. we should be arming the Palestinians .. if we are to have any semblance of consistency in our Foreign Policy .. or do you believe that "Do as we say - Not as we Do" our previous position for decades - still holds water in the present multi-polar would we have found ourselves in.

 

[Bthoth]

Address the topic not the individual friend .. lest we drift into the kinder-realm.

Now the Irish Delegation to the UN say "The Hague is to good for Bibi"
Bibi is tyranical war monger much worse than Putin .. oppressing the indiginous populations an Occupied Territory far less than Lord-Vlad .. What South Africa called -- and they should know .. An Apartheid Regime. Turkey calling it a Terrorist Regime .. but hey a spade is a spade.

Do you deny the right of the Ukrainians to defend against the foreign occupier ? Not at all .. and in fact feel we are just and righteous in helping the freedom fighters exercise that right of self defense by giving them weapons. Why do you not wish to help those fighting for freedom in Palestine defend themselves against the foreign Occupier .. an Occupier who has openly declared , and whose Charter is to ethnically cleanse the land .. slaughtering everything .. men, women, children, babies and fetuses.

Obviously if we are arming the Ukrainians .. we should be arming the Palestinians .. if we are to have any semblance of consistency in our Foreign Policy .. or do you believe that "Do as we say - Not as we Do" our previous position for decades - still holds water in the present multi-polar would we have found ourselves in.

I've noticed that most of the apartheid defenders are incapable of responding without looking like ww2 germans.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've noticed that most of the apartheid defenders are incapable of responding without looking like ww2 germans.

The parallel is striking, as are the rationale & language
of extermination & finality, along with war crimes, &
immunity to reason & the perspective of others.

 

[Bthoth]

The parallel is striking, as are the rationale & language
of extermination & finality, along with war crimes, &
immunity to reason & the perspective of others.

I trust that people are capable of empathy.

Only a hardened soul with low self esteem could defend what israel is doing.

They are fading away even on the forum.

 

[metis]

All that can ever do is ensure continuing violence.
What do you think those innocent Palestinians are going to do, especially with so many of them being young men, if they are going to get killed by the IDF anyways?

If Hamas stops and surrenders, the violence stops. Other leaders in other countries often would surrender when faced with insurmountable odds, thus the ball is really in Hamas' court.

If Israel stops, the missiles will still be fired in Israeli towns as this is has been Hamas' continuous m.o.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If Hamas stops and surrenders, the violence stops.

If Hamas stops and surrenders, the carnage stops. The degradation of, and violence against, Palestinians continues.

If Israel stops, the missiles will still be fired in Israeli towns as this is has been Hamas' continuous m.o.

Yes. A couple of points:

1. To be acceptable, any transition to a two-state solution must must include adequate provisions for robust supervision and interdiction by the international community.
2. That the persecution of a war is perfectly understandable does not make it ethical, and, tragically, a painful Hamas victory may prove preferable to seeing crimes against humanity being perpetrated by Israel.

 

[metis]

and more of far stronger Occupier conducting Ethnic Cleansing on an oppressed indigenous people..

So, Jews are not "indigenous" and have not suffered "oppression", and how can they be an "occupier"?

 

[metis]

If Hamas stops and surrenders, the carnage stops. The degradation of, and violence against, Palestinians continues.


Yes. A couple of points:

1. To be acceptable, any transition to a two-state solution must must include adequate provisions for robust supervision and interdiction by the international community.
2. That the persecution of a war is perfectly understandable does not make it ethical, and, tragically, a painful Hamas victory may prove preferable to seeing crimes against humanity being perpetrated by Israel.

Which side targeted 1200 civilians on 10-7? Which side has sent thousands of missiles into civilian towns outside of Gaza? Can you name a war in the last two centuries whereas civilians haven't been the most killed?

This is not the first time that Hamas has done this, but hopefully it will be the last time. Yes, it's truly tragic that this all is happening, and I certainly wish it hadn't so both Israelis and Palestinians didn't and don't have to suffer so much.

However, one should know that if Hamas stops and surrenders, the killing stops-- period.