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Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

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Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Bthoth said:
I've noticed that most of the apartheid defenders are incapable of responding without looking like ww2 germans.
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Crimes against Humanity ... Ethnic Cleansing ... look like what they look like .. be it the Nazi's .. Pol Pot .. Suharto in Indonesia who we supported in that effort of extermination of 1/3rd of the Timorese population.

but for pointing this out .. the messenger is demonized as "pro terrorist" .. in a wild fit projection and rage.
Laniakea said:
If you want to be a cheerleader for Hamas terrorism,
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Concern for the slaughter of innocent children by Israeli Death Squads is not cheerleading terrorism .. Hamas or otherwise. The apologists for such war crimes and crimes against humanity would be the cheerleaders of terrorism.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Bthoth said:
I trust that people are capable of empathy.

Only a hardened soul with low self esteem could defend what israel is doing.

They are fading away even on the forum.
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Empathy is actually much of the problem.
"Parochial empathy" to be specific.

Can Empathy Actually Be Harmful? | SPSP

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What I observe is a lack of fundamental values.
Sure, people value human rights for all, but in a
conflict, their values fade away from the "other".
If one surveys the religions involved, one sees
that they're very concerned for their own, but
very little for others. Conflict exacerbates this.
 
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Bthoth

Well-Known Member
metis said:
So, Jews are not "indigenous" and have not suffered "oppression", and how can they be an "occupier"?
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The religious opinion of which are indigenous is not relevant. israel is illegally occupying a whole bunch of palestinian lands.

That is recorded history, not religion.
 
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Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Sargonski said:
Crimes against Humanity ... Ethnic Cleansing ... look like what they look like .. be it the Nazi's .. Pol Pot .. Suharto in Indonesia who we supported in that effort of extermination of 1/3rd of the Timorese population.

but for pointing this out .. the messenger is demonized as "pro terrorist" .. in a wild fit projection and rage.
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Israel was born from terrorism. So which is pro terrorist?
Sargonski said:
Concern for the slaughter of innocent children by Israeli Death Squads is not cheerleading terrorism .. Hamas or otherwise. The apologists for such war crimes and crimes against humanity would be the cheerleaders of terrorism.
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Exactly. What israel is doing is horrid.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
metis said:
Which side targeted 1200 civilians on 10-7?
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@metis:

Respectfully, I honestly do not need your rhetorical questions. I am part of a deeply traumatized community that knows full well what happened on October 7th, and one that is further traumatized by the antisemitic disdain that our pain invokes here and elsewhere on a near daily basis. The fact remains: "Johnny started it!" is poor warrant for today's carnage.

When I mourn the victims of October my thoughts turn to Vivian Silver. May her memory be for blessing.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
@metis:

Respectfully, I honestly do not need your rhetorical questions. I am part of a deeply traumatized community that knows full well what happened on October 7th, and one that is further traumatized by the antisemitic disdain that our pain invokes here and elsewhere on a near daily basis. The fact remains: "Johnny started it!" is poor warrant for today's carnage.

When I mourn the victims of October my thoughts turn to Vivian Silver. May her memory be for blessing.
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It would make more sense to be traumatized by
what your Chosen By God People have done &
are still doing to Palestinians....apartheid, murder,
war crimes, genocide, etc with over 25,000 now
dead, many more maimed, & millions de-housed.
"Anti-semitism" is a lame & insulting attempt to
defend against legitimate criticism.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Jayhawker Soule said:
From the Times of Israel:

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During a combative press conference Thursday evening, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the prospect of Palestinian statehood after the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, and vowed to resist the United States on the matter.​
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He also denied blindsiding his defense minister over a deal to send medicines into Gaza for Israeli hostages, accused Israeli media of spreading pessimism about the progress of the war, and said Hamas and Iran were hoping to see his government fall and elections held mid-war.​
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On the issue of Palestinian sovereignty, Netanyahu was speaking after a report on Wednesday that the Biden administration is looking past the premier to advance a two-state solution, and hours after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Israel cannot achieve “genuine security” without a pathway to a Palestinian state.​

The U.S. and the Israeli people must stop this man.
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I think Netanyahu is doing the right thing for the protection and survival of Israel.

“It took the world 80 years to forget the Holocaust.
The horrors of 7.10 - only 80 days.

The world, led by the US, is putting pressure on the victim, Israel, to give the Palestinians the greatest gift they asked for - recognition of the state - as a reward for their murder.

The irony of it all is that, in the name of anti-colonialism, the behavior of the world is incredibly colonialist. They don’t even ask the Palestinians what they think about a two-state solution.

A few days ago, a Hamas leader made it clear that “From the river to the sea” and from the Lebanese border to the Egyptian one - it’s all theirs. So even if they agree to the 1967 borders it will be a temporary move without EVER accepting the legitimacy of Israel.”
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Sargonski

Well-Known Member
metis said:
So, Jews are not "indigenous" and have not suffered "oppression", and how can they be an "occupier"?
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Who told you Jews were not indigenous .. wasn't me so why are you talking this nonsense. and no Jews have not suffered oppression in Israel.. the Israelis oppress the Palestinians not the Jews ?!

The Jews are not occupiers .. The Israeli's are occupier .. hence the term "Occupied Territories" .. Israel is occupying land that is not part of Israel .. as per the land agreement by which Israel exists.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
InChrist said:
What does Trump have to do with the topic of this thread?
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He serves as a bellwether. I'm trying to determine whether your attitude towards the Netanyahu regime reflects a reactionary political orientation or an ignorance when it comes to Israel's political landscape and history.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Bthoth said:
The religious opinion of which are indigenous is not relevant. israel is illegally occupying a whole bunch actually of palestinian lands.

That is recorded history, not religion.
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No, it's simply not "recorded history", so maybe do some homework instead of spouting nonsense.
 
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Bthoth

Well-Known Member
metis said:
No, it's simply not "recorded history", so maybe do some homework instead of spouting nonsense.
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The indigenous of the levant, are jewish, christian and muslim.................. even baha'i and gnostic.

Did you ever wonder how many muslims used to be jews?
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sargonski said:
Who told you Jews were not indigenous .. wasn't me so why are you talking this nonsense. and no Jews have not suffered oppression in Israel.. the Israelis oppress the Palestinians not the Jews ?!

The Jews are not occupiers .. The Israeli's are occupier .. hence the term "Occupied Territories" .. Israel is occupying land that is not part of Israel .. as per the land agreement by which Israel exists.
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Somehow you managed to twist what I posted.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Jayhawker Soule said:
Respectfully, I honestly do not need your rhetorical questions. I am part of a deeply traumatized community that knows full well what happened on October 7th, and one that is further traumatized by the antisemitic disdain that our pain invokes here and elsewhere on a near daily basis. The fact remains: "Johnny started it!" is poor warrant for today's carnage.
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As I have repeatedly posted, what was Israel to do after what happened on 10-7 and the continuing rocket assault coming out of Gaza? I also have "irons in this fire" as you may be aware of.

There is so possible hope on the horizon as a two-month cease fire with some changes is being discussed, and I hope a deal can be struck that also involves the release of the hostages.
 
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