Israel-Gaza : "Netanyahu vows no Palestinian state ..."

[Samael_Khan]

What do you think Hamas was doing when they started this?

Killing a whole lot of innocent people too. They are two sides of the same coin.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Not ludicrous, but either thoughtlessly vitriolic or transparently antisemitic or both.

Saying that criticising the Israeli government is anti semitic is like saying that criticising Hamas or Irans government is islamophobic. Both are statements betraying a lack of critical thinking or at least indoctrination.

Besides that point...

Israel has ALREADY killed thousands of children, so ....

 

[Samael_Khan]

Do you have any real proof of that claim? I have been trying to keep up on the subject and it appears that Israel is trying very hard to go after Hamas leaders and militants and find and rescue the hostages. While is it terribly sad that innocent people get killed in war situations, I don’t see anything indicating Israel’s goal is to “massacre innocents”.

Of course you dont, because you have a Christian agenda behind this nonsense. So automatically you are pro Israel and anti-muslim.

Also in that statement i didnt say that massacring innocents is Israels goal. It is just a matter of fact that they are doing such.

A question I have for you is: What proof would you require to conclude that Israel's goal is to massacre innocents.

 

[Samael_Khan]

The focus at the moment should be nothing else but demanding a complete ceasefire now. Honestly I don't understand why we are discussing anything else at the moment.
Ceasefire will stop the increasing death toll in Gaza and enable aid agencies to get life saving aid, water and medical supplies into gaza. It will also allow hospitals to receive life saving medicines, fuel and equipment they desperately need and to repair damaged hospitals. It also provides opportunities to negotiate the release of the Israeli hostages.
The war needs to stop first, killing and starving people needs to stop.

To those that are defending Netanyahu and his reckless decisions, what are you smoking? Have you seen the images and videos? Have you seen the children whose limbs are being amputated without anaesthetics? Have you seen the testimonies of journalists and doctors who have witnessed all of the horrors?
Yes, what happened on the 7th of October is horrific and shouldn't have happened but how many more civilians have to die for you to say this is not right ? Is this about revenge?

I think the people defending Netanyahu are just taking their masks off. They dont care if kids are getting maimed. They just care about Israeli domination.

 

[Revoltingest]

Unclear if you are denying the existence of Indigenous peoples or just their rights.

When someone doesn't believe in property rights,
it's impossible to address the moral issues of theft.
Indigenous....invaders...their rights, or lack thereof,
are equal.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the people defending Netanyahu are just taking their masks off. They dont care if kids are getting maimed. They just care about Israeli domination.

They loudly & fervently say otherwise.
That they care about all people.
But actions speak louder than words.

More killed as Israel bombs school housing displaced civilians in Gaza

A number of Palestinian civilians have been killed and dozens more injured after Israeli artillery bombed a school housing displaced people in the southern Gaza Strip.

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Damage over accuracy: Israel admits bombing campaign in Gaza not limited to military targets | Milwaukee Independent

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To flee the Nazis only to become what they fled is a tragedy.

 

[Samael_Khan]

They loudly & fervently say otherwise.
That they care about all people.
But actions speak louder than word.

Totally. Which is quite reflective of this genocide debate. Its as if Israel has to outrightly declare their intentions in order for us to judge against them, as if it makes sense for criminals to publicly state their crimes. And then they try to gaslight us by saying the killing of 25 000 people in Gaza is acceptable for the sake of Israels defense. They won't even accept that a genocide is being attempted or committed until the genocide is near, if not totally, completed.

Questions such as "How many people being killed is too much?" or "what requirements are needed for us to understand that a genocide is being attempted?" is never answered in a satisfying or reasonable way.

Gaslighting 101.

 

[Revoltingest]

Totally. Which is quite reflective of this genocide debate. Its as if Israel has to outrightly declare their intentions in order for us to judge against them, as if it makes sense for criminals to publicly state their crimes. And then they try to gaslight us by saying the killing of 25 000 people in Gaza is acceptable for the sake of Israels defense. They won't even accept that a genocide is being attempted or committed until the genocide is near, if not totally, completed.

Questions such as "How many people being killed is too much?" or "what requirements are needed for us to understand that a genocide is being attempted?" is never answered in a satisfying or reasonable way.

Gaslighting 101.

They don't admit 25,000 deaths.
They only say that Hamas can't be trusted.
No alternative figure offered....just denialism.
Making it hard to count the dead is that Israel
even kills UN workers.
I still favor Israel's existence, despite the fact
that it's shown it doesn't deserve to exist
because of its oppression, war crimes, human
rights violations, threat to the entire region,
corruption of USA politics, & drain on our
taxes. But force it to behave morally.

 

[Samael_Khan]

They don't admit 25,000 deaths.
They only say that Hamas can't be trusted.
No alternative figure offered....just denialism.
Making it hard to count the dead is that Israel
even kills UN workers.
I still favor Israel's existence, despite the fact
that it's shown it doesn't deserve to exist.
But it must be forced to behave morally.

Also they misrepresent the arguments of those who oppose Israels actions. As if that also means that we support Oct 7 brutal killings. Or that we don't believe that Israel should defend itself. And to me that seems to come from a disengenuous place.

 

[Revoltingest]

Also they misrepresent the arguments of those who oppose Israels actions. As if that also means that we support Oct 7 brutal killings. Or that we don't believe that Israel should defend itself. And to me that seems to come from a disengenuous place.

Their argument always devolves to....
"Anti-semite!"

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Saying that criticising the Israeli government is anti semitic ...

Where have I done that?

 

[metis]

Killing a whole lot of innocent people too. They are two sides of the same coin.

But the killing will still continue by both sides, and even more, unless Hamas is removed.

 

[metis]

I think the people defending Netanyahu are just taking their masks off. They dont care if kids are getting maimed. They just care about Israeli domination.

"Nice" stereotype. I cannot stand Netanyahu and so do most Israelis, plus I strongly dislike Likud and its coalition.

 

[Revoltingest]

But the killing will still continue by both sides, and even more, unless Hamas is removed.

Hamas is a symptom of Israel's brutal oppression.
Even if their delusional goal of eliminating Hamas
succeeded, another would rise to take its place.
Peace will only happen if Israelis give up their
inhumanity towards & oppression of non-Jews.

 

[Laniakea]

If a Muslim country began bombing us heavily and indiscriminately in retaliation for Uncle Sam bombing them you know thise who are OK with Israel doing it now would have an entirely different amd opposite attitude about it.

10,000 unguided missiles fired into civilian populations seems to qualify.
But uh oh! It's the Palestinians doing that, so that makes it ok, especially if those civilians are those pesky Jews that are hated so much.

 

[Laniakea]

You say its ludicrous to insinuate that Israel is murdering thousands of children is their intent or plan.

Israel has literally killed thousands of children already so....

According to that most trustworthy news source known as Hamas.
Coming up next....ISIS, Al Quaeda and Hezbolla have a new gun control policy!

 

[Laniakea]

Hamas is a symptom of Israel's brutal oppression.
Even if their delusional goal of eliminating Hamas
succeeded, another would rise to take its place.
Peace will only happen if Israelis give up their
inhumanity towards & oppression of non-Jews.

May as well claim the Nazi party and the holocaust was a symptom of the Jewish people.

 

[Revoltingest]

Where have I done that?

It's not that you say specifically that,
but rather that it dwells in your posts.
It's the standard ad hominem of the
pro-Israel crowd to deflect criticism.

 

[Samael_Khan]

But the killing will still continue by both sides, and even more, unless Hamas is removed.

The killing will still happen if Hamas is removed. Israel will still kill Gazans. It just means that nobody will be killing Israelis from Gazas side.

 

[Laniakea]

The killing will still happen if Hamas is removed. Israel will still kill Gazans. It just means that nobody will be killing Israelis from Gazas side.

That's pure speculation.