Are you really challenging the notion that Jewish people have been unfairly persecuted and stigmatized in history?
Do you have an elementary knowledge of history?
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Israel-Gaza : The bitter harvest of hate
- Thread starter Jayhawker Soule
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Do you have an elementary knowledge of history?
Jews aren't the only ones. Amerindians, Armenians,
Chinese, Koreans, Amazonians, & many others have endured
oppression, conquest, & death. It doesn't justify hatred,
oppression, & killing of other groups.
And it is this context of carnage that makes the efforts of groups such as the Parents Circle and people such as Vivian Silver all the more heroic.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
If you are asking whether I deny the holocaust, most certainly NOT .
What I am asking is WHY? What do people have against Jews .. now, and in the past?
Colt
Well-Known Member
1) Racial and cultural Jealousy.
2) Convenient scapegoat by Christian politicians for their own failures.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
In the context of the Industrial Revolution, following the Jewish Emancipation, Jews rapidly urbanized and experienced a period of greater social mobility. With the decreasing role of religion in public life tempering religious antisemitism, a combination of growing nationalism, the rise of eugenics, and resentment at the socio-economic success of the Jews led to the newer, and more virulent, racist antisemitism.
Antisemitism - Wikipedia
In fact, the term 'anti-semite' did not exist until the late 19th. century.
It's always *****y money
There is much truth here.
Trauma is real and hurt people hurt people. To broad-brush all Palestinians is to recognized a broken spirit. PTSD is a recognized issue for those who have been through horrors.
Forgiveness is the key for healing in my perspective. And Israelis will have to learn how to release and forgive (even as we all do). They will have quite a job to bring healing to these hearts.
Root causes need to be looked at carefully. Looking at children curriculum is a great way to see the Genesis of hatred. Hurt people tend to hurt their own people and the hatred continues...
At annual summer camps, Hamas trains kids to fire guns, kidnap soldiers
Children at 'Pioneers of Liberation' camp drill to become combatants against Israel, simulate shooting attacks in Jerusalem
www.timesofisrael.com
I don’t find children being taught wrong in Israel. I find Israel trying to fight for a two-state solution.
May God briing healing to Palestinians to help the stop the proliferation of hatred towards Israelis. And may God help Israelis find healing and strength for forgiveness that hatred and bitterness may not take root.
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It's worth noting that the average that over half of Gazans are children.
At annual summer camps, Hamas trains kids to fire guns, kidnap soldiers
Children at 'Pioneers of Liberation' camp drill to become combatants against Israel, simulate shooting attacks in Jerusalem
I don’t find children being taught wrong in Israel. .
It seems evident to me that the reason they use child soldiers is because many don't make it to adulthood.
Not defending it, but providing an explanation.
In this context, speaking of child-soldiers in Gaza whilst also trying to speak of Israel in a positive light is ignoring the elephant in the room that the adults are dying off due to the occupation Israel subjects them to.
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That's true. I hope she gets the opportunity to heal.
I'd also dare suggest that her generalizations can be used as a touchstone to understand Palestinian hatred.
For Gazans, there is no 'post' traumatic stress: https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...bombardment-with-ground-war-start-2023-10-21/.
What does this claim mean?
Is it that the traumatic stress is current rather than "post"?
If so, I disagree.
I find that odd. It would mean that if there's
a lull in trauma inducing events, they'd
experience no PTSD. I don't believe that.
It's not that they aren't experiencing the symptoms of PTSD. It's that they have to experience those symptoms whilst experiencing new unrelenting traumas. The term 'Present-traumatic stress disorder' was coined to describe mental health in gaza several years ago.
OK.
I don’t think so. Children as soldiers are not new. African militia are notorious in taking children and training them. They become more coldhearted than the adults. Something along the lines of "
“Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.” —Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” —Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
The elephant in the room is the teaching of the children while we strain at the gnat of Israel.
I agree that child-soldiers are not unique to this conflict. I do however think the fact that Gaza is majority children is reason to be angered at the occupation, rather than the occupied. I find the emergence of child terrorists is a predictable result of this, while it should obviously not be supported.
As an aside, Lenin in these quotes was referring to teaching children the materialist world-view, not supporting child-soldiers. Lenin was also the most notable Russian leader to combat antisemitism, even given his low tenure.
I don’t think that is the storyline.
First, there is no occupation… there is an effort to create two states.
As you count the billions of dollars to create an underground city with untold amount of weaponry and ammunity, you will understand why there is poverty aboveground, no good schools and no future.
The reason for mostly children is multilayered.
- Large families is the norm for Palestenians
- As each war is started by those of Arab decent, the adults are killed in the war that they start (as they did this time as they have many other times) How many wars were started by Israel?
- Terrorists are created by the teaching of children. They are the next generation of terrorist.
The statement of Lenin is a principle that can be applied in any generation and for any type of society. Teach children not to be racist when small and you will have the next generation of non-racists
Train up this generation of children and you have the terrorist that hate without reason for the next season. And the cycle continues.
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muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
How did you come to that conclusion?
The UN do not agree with you.
That ended many years ago.
the UN is notoriously biased when every year they condemn any Israeli action and in all of the years never condemned Hamas Palestinians. Not even the recent atrocities
Not only that, their very structure has helped Hamas and even participated in the training of hatred by the teachers they hired.
Thanks to the Hamas.