Israel is losing militarily and politically

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Do you support what Hamas did on 10-7? Did you support the cheering of their accomplishment in Gaza and throughout much of the Muslem world?

You are just like a puppet. Start the conversation at 7 October so there is no need to question Israel actions before. Something we have seen in a lot debates and interviews.

I don't know where the settlers got their guns, but either way I don't support the vigilantism some of them are doing.

Is it vigilantism if Israel giving them guns? The protection they receive from the government?

 

[Shaul]

You told them to present names and posts of people who said those things. You clearly did not think permission was necessary.

That isn't clear at all.

I get it. You asked someone to do something that is not within the forum rules, but because you didn't explicitly SAY to break forum rules you're in the clear.

Gotcha. Very clever.

What is clear is that you are trying, and failing, make that quoting others isn't allowed. It is. The forum rules state it is allowed and how. The forum even provides a tool for doing.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What is clear is that you are trying, and failing, make that quoting others isn't allowed.

Keep pretending that's what I was doing rather than what you were doing was actively encouraging someone to do something that was against forum rules.

If you like.

 

[metis]

You are just like a puppet. Start the conversation at 7 October so there is no need to question Israel actions before. Something we have seen in a lot debates and interviews.

Are personal insults part of your religious faith?

BTW, I have often questioned some of Israel's actions here at RF, especially Netanyahu and the Likud coalition, so it seems you are willing to stereotype me, so is stereotyping people also part of your religious faith?

Is it vigilantism if Israel giving them guns? The protection they receive from the government?

I don't know if the government is, so do you have any such proof?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I don't know if the government is, so do you have any such proof?

One Haaretz editorial begins

The decision to arm and mobilize thousands of settlers for military service in the occupied territories, and to station them where they live, and in close proximity to Palestinians, some of whom they know and hate, seemed at first an irresponsible decision by Maj. Gen. Yehuda Fuchs, head of the army's Central Command.​

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Three months later, it's clear that this was a reckless move, accompanied by a lack of supervision over and punishment of rogue soldiers. Testimonies by Palestinians subjected to threats and violence by mobilized settlers and soldiers in general have multiplied, mainly since the war began, at an alarming rate (as reported by Hagar Shezaf, Haaretz, Jan. 5).​

It's outrageous.

 

[metis]

It's outrageous.

Thanks, and it's outrageous on both sides. A friend of mine lives in one of those WB settlements, but I still very much oppose what some of them have been doing. I was in the WB in 1991 and 1998, but things have deteriorated since.

 

[Revoltingest]

Is Netanyahu's brutal massacre of Palestinians
gaining approval by the populace in Israel?

MSN

www.msn.com

Excerpted....
(Bloomberg) -- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is starting to regain his popularity after struggling politically for more than a year, out-polling main rival Benny Gantz for the first time since the war against Hamas started in October.

A Channel 12 survey conducted on Wednesday of 500 voters representing a cross-section of Israeli society asked “Who is better suited to serve as prime minister?” It found 36% chose Netanyahu and 30% Gantz. The margin of error was 4.4%.

 

[Revoltingest]

Israel says Hamas has been using a school.
Israel blows up school.
Israel kills them all, including the children.

Israeli strike kills at least 33 people at a Gaza school the military claims was being used by Hamas

The Israeli military claimed, without immediately offering evidence, that Hamas and the Islamic Jihad used the school as a shelter to plan attacks.

apnews.com

I wonder....
If Hamas were hiding in a school filled with Jewish
children, would Israel bomb them all in order to
kill the Hamas members inside?
Of course they wouldn't. It would be a carefully
planned operation to preserve Jewish lives.
But Muslims....they just don't matter.

 

[Shaul]

Israel says Hamas has been using a school.
Israel blows up school.
Israel kills them all, including the children.

Israeli strike kills at least 33 people at a Gaza school the military claims was being used by Hamas

The Israeli military claimed, without immediately offering evidence, that Hamas and the Islamic Jihad used the school as a shelter to plan attacks.

apnews.com

I wonder....
If Hamas were hiding in a school filled with Jewish
children, would Israel bomb them all in order to
kill the Hamas members inside?
Of course they wouldn't. It would be a carefully
planned operation to preserve Jewish lives.
But Muslims....they just don't matter.

Another preliminary biased report coming from one side. You accept any report that suits your purposes and ignore contrary reports. The truth will come out later. Reasonable people will defer judgement until all the facts come in.

 

[sun rise]

Another preliminary biased report coming from one side. You accept any report that suits your purposes and ignore contrary reports. The truth will come out later. Reasonable people will defer judgement until all the facts come in.

Did you actually read the story?

Of course Hamas is making sure that civilians are being killed as a propaganda measure. Israel is in effect helping Hamas in their efforts to turn the world against Israel. Meanwhile Netanyahu says that the war will continue until every last Hamas member is killed or captured, something that will never happen,. So pretty soon there will be nothing but rubble left in Gaza along with suffering people with nothing left to lose.

You think Hezbollah won't be act two in iran's effort to destroy Israel with its estimated 20,000+ troops and 40,000+ rockets? Hezbollah armed strength - Wikipedia

Associated Press reporter at the hospital recorded at least 33 dead from the strike, including 14 children and nine women.
...
An Israeli military spokesman, Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, said that the army wasn’t aware of any civilian casualties in the strike. He said that intelligence indicated that militants had used the school compound to orchestrate some of the attacks on Oct. 7 and that at least 20 militants there were using it currently as a “staging realm” to launch attacks on Israeli soldiers. The military gave no evidence for its claims and released a photo of the school, pointing to classrooms on the second and third floor where it claimed militants were located.

 

[Revoltingest]

Another preliminary biased report....

Better than you biased sources.

 

[Shaul]

Better than you biased sources.

Try to read with more comprehension. I wrote that (all) sources only have preliminary reports which are inaccurate and therefore everyone should await accurate reports. In harmony with that I purposely didn't cite any sources and that doing THAT is more accurate than repeating inaccurate ones as you did. IOW rushing reporting with inaccuracy is worse than waiting until the true facts are in.

 

[Shaul]

Did you actually read the story?

Yes, I did. But I wonder if you did now. (see below)

Of course Hamas is making sure that civilians are being killed as a propaganda measure. Israel is in effect helping Hamas in their efforts to turn the world against Israel. Meanwhile Netanyahu says that the war will continue until every last Hamas member is killed or captured, something that will never happen,. So pretty soon there will be nothing but rubble left in Gaza along with suffering people with nothing left to lose.

You think Hezbollah won't be act two in iran's effort to destroy Israel with its estimated 20,000+ troops and 40,000+ rockets? Hezbollah armed strength - Wikipedia

This has nothing to do with whether preliminary reports should be taken at face value.

Associated Press reporter at the hospital recorded at least 33 dead from the strike, including 14 children and nine women.
...
An Israeli military spokesman, Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, said that the army wasn’t aware of any civilian casualties in the strike. He said that intelligence indicated that militants had used the school compound to orchestrate some of the attacks on Oct. 7 and that at least 20 militants there were using it currently as a “staging realm” to launch attacks on Israeli soldiers. The military gave no evidence for its claims and released a photo of the school, pointing to classrooms on the second and third floor where it claimed militants were located.

Yet this report from AP contradicts the article from AP referenced in the OP by giving different numbers of those killed. Which provides support for my position. Preliminary reporting is likely inaccurate. Thanks for supporting my point.

 

[sun rise]

This has nothing to do with whether preliminary reports should be taken at face value.

I don't take the report at face value but consider it from the desire of Hamas to make Israel look bad and Israel to minimize civilian deaths. To me this is one ore example of how Israel is losing the propaganda war which was part of this thread's title.

Yet this report from AP contradicts the article from AP referenced in the OP by giving different numbers of those killed. Which provides support for my position. Preliminary reporting is likely inaccurate. Thanks for supporting my point.

I agree with that note about preliminary reporting. Body counts are often inaccurate on first reports. But that does not change the basic facts that Israeli tactics caused yet another incident that is being used to generate support for Hamas ignoring the real possibility that Hamas set up the situation to get a lot of innocent people killed. Do you disagree that is a likely Hamas tactic?

But you asserted that the reporting was coming from one side ignoring the part of the article quoting an Israeli source. And you presumed that the AP reporter was pro-Hamas with no evidence to support it since he could easily be doing straight reporting of what he's observed from a neutral POV.

 

[Revoltingest]

Try to read with more comprehension.