Israel is losing militarily and politically

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

got any?

OK, that answers my question.

 

[Yerda]

Shall we judge Palestinians by the words of the Hamas leadership?

I don't know how much you've been following the threads on the matter, but trying to get anyone who supports the Israeli strategy to separate the Palestinian people from Hamas is a losing battle.

 

[sun rise]

Thus, our discussion is concluded.

I agree since you refused to accept my repeated answer as an answer and persist in ignoring the purpose of the thread.

 

[sun rise]

I don't know how much you've been following the threads on the matter, but trying to get anyone who supports the Israeli strategy to separate the Palestinian people from Hamas is a losing battle.

It does seem that a few support everything Netanyahu says and does in Gaza and does not care one whit about the long term effect. I suppose they also support that Trump and Netanyahu are now bosom buddies partly because of Netanyahu's words and deeds. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...mbrace-republicans-strategy-israel-divisions/

Meanwhile Hezbollah continues to rain bombs in Norther Israel and Israel cannot do anything to stop it which means that Israel is getting weaker as Hezbollah gets stronger. Hezbollah barrages deal heavy damage in northern Israel

How

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I don't know how much you've been following the threads on the matter, but trying to get anyone who supports the Israeli strategy to separate the Palestinian people from Hamas is a losing battle.

What Israeli strategy?

 

[Yerda]

What Israeli strategy?

The way the Israeli military is pursuing its aims.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The way the Israeli military is pursuing its aims.

You distort the aims of the Israeli military, perhaps unintentionally.

 

[Yerda]

You distort the aims of the Israeli military, perhaps unintentionally.

Maybe. I try to focus on the how rather than the why.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Maybe. I try to focus on the how rather than the why.

And that can be done without distortion.

 

[Yerda]

And that can be done without distortion.

Of course. Would you be open to explaining what I've distorted?

 

[metis]

Some are implying that it one supports Israel's attempt to eliminate Hamas they also support Netanyahu, which is nonsense. They are barking up the wrong tree as I have stated on numerous posts that I can't stand him or his Likud coalition, and I hope for the day when his trial is concluded with him behind bars if found guilty.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Of course. Would you be open to explaining what I've distorted?

First of all: my apologies for taking so long to reply. I've been on a 4K mile roadtrip and was anxious to get back home.

Now, as for your question, you wrote:

... but trying to get anyone who supports the Israeli strategy to separate the Palestinian people from Hamas is a losing battle.

The Israeli strategy, if one can term it that, aims

• not at separat[ing] the Palestinian people from Hamas,
• but at retrieving the hostages and eliminating Hamas as an existential threat.

Your formulation dismisses the centrality of both. It impresses my as being either careless or callous.

 

[Yerda]

First of all: my apologies for taking so long to reply. I've been on a 4K mile roadtrip and was anxious to get back home.

I hope you had a nice trip.

Now, as for your question, you wrote:


The Israeli strategy, if one can term it that, aims

• not at separat[ing] the Palestinian people from Hamas,
• but at retrieving the hostages and eliminating Hamas as an existential threat.

Your formulation dismisses the centrality of both. It impresses my as being either careless or callous.

Ah. I think you've misunderstood what I said - I could maybe have been clearer in the phrasing there.

You had asked a rhetorical question about treating Palestinians and Hamas as one and the same. I was making the comment that in the threads here this has been commonplace among the supporters of Israel's strategy, as I wasn't sure how much you'd been following them (they aren't fun).

I agree that the aims of the military are as you stated. Get the hostages, destroy Hamas. I don't think that the way they have gone about this (the strategy) is just or proportionate. Stating this opinion ususally results in the members of RF, who do think the strategy is just and proportionate, conflating the civilians being massacred by bombs/rockets on a regular basis with the terrorists the rockets are aimed at.

 

[Lyndon]

I've noticed that when ever I disagree with a Jew online, they accuse me of being anti semitic, which tells me anti semitism is not that big of a deal at all if its so cheaply bandied around

 

[Yerda]

I've noticed that when ever I disagree with a Jew online, they accuse me of being anti semitic, which tells me anti semitism is not that big of a deal at all if its so cheaply bandied around

There are a lot reasons someone might accuse someone else of being antisemitic, and maybe it isn't always fair. But there are a lot of people who don't seem to care at all what happened to the people on October 7th last year, and plenty seemed to gloat about "resistance". Like they were happy some Israelis got theirs. What other word would describe such an attitude?

Also, every time a Jew offers their opinion that Israel is doing what it must they are called a genocidal racist by some ********.

Is genocide not a big deal if it can be cheaply bandied around?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

I don’t understand the reasoning behind justifying a slaughter of civilians when they themselves helped Hamas be what is today. So disgraceful.

How Israel helped prop up Hamas for decades | Analyst News

What is Hamas, and why has Israel deliberately enabled its existence for years?

www.analystnews.org

The Zionist have one purpose and that is to continue of this conflict until every Palestinian is gone or dead in Gaza. The West Bank will be next.
So curious what the justification will be when they do

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I've noticed that when ever I disagree with a Jew online, they accuse me of being anti semitic, which tells me anti semitism is not that big of a deal at all if its so cheaply bandied around

... or that it "is not that big of a deal" to you. Still, when feedback is widespread and persistent, it might be worth listening.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Pure unadulterated nonsense. Go into the Jewish community as say that and then listen.

It's true, though. Israel has rejected a number of deals that would have brought all the hostages home.

The first offer to return Israeli hostages came only a day or two after Oct. 7. They could have come home months ago; the Israeli government decided against it.

 

[Lyndon]

being anti Palestinian or anti arabic or anti Islamic is just as bad as being anti semitic, the very people calling out anti semitism are usually anti arabic so the importance of it all cancels out, but I would have to think being pro genocide trumps being anti-semitic

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

being anti Palestinian or anti arabic or anti Islamic is just as bad as being anti semitic, the very people calling out anti semitism are usually anti arabic so the importance of it all cancels out

There’s a name for this.

It’s called “cancel culture”, where one culture attempts to cancel out another culture.

We cancel out stuff in mathematics, as well.