• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Israel restricting aliyah and condoning settler terrorism

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
This is NOT about Israel's wars but about what is going on inside Israel today. (Note that these are all Jewish news sources):

Israel expels British Jewish activist who tried to immigrate under Law of Return


Leo Franks was detained at a protest against Israel’s Gaza policy and while supporting Palestinians in the West Bank before his aliyah application was mysteriously closed.​
A British Jew, Franks, 25, had recently started his doctorate in history at a prestigious American university. He came to a country whose legal history he hoped to make the center of his research. Franks had been to Israel many times before and even had an Israeli girlfriend. On this trip, he hoped to make aliyah — to become an Israeli himself.​
Entering the country on a tourist visa, Franks, a graduate student at the University of California, Berkeley, quickly began the paperwork to exercise his rights under Israel’s Law of Return, the guarantee of citizenship to Jews around the world that is at the heart of the country’s national identity. He then moved in with his girlfriend and prepared to start his new life.​
And is appears Jewish settlers can get away with terrorist acts:

The Palestinian Father Fortified His Home Against Settler Attacks, but It Didn't Stop His Son From Being Shot


Smoke point: A Palestinian olive farmer despairs after hundreds of trees set ablaze


After over a year of access to his lands blocked, this year’s coming harvest offered hope, now shattered; though video of apparent arsonists exists, authorities not investigating

 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's long been a policy that USA tolerates & supports.
No action is taken to curb settler terrorism, theft, murder,
beatings, & conquest onto land belonging to others.
I wonder if Harris will show different values from Biden,
Trump, & all their predecessors. Will she be yet another
Christian (Baptist) Zionist who supports Israel's many
crimes? I have high hopes & low expectations.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
It's long been a policy that USA tolerates & supports.
No action is taken to curb settler terrorism, theft, murder,
beatings, & conquest onto land belonging to others.
I wonder if Harris will show different values from Biden,
Trump, & all their predecessors. Will she be yet another
Christian (Baptist) Zionist who supports Israel's many
crimes? I have high hopes & low expectations.
Off topic. The big point which you missed is that Israel has had an absolute right of return for Jews but the story says that this is not the case if someone has an opinion those in power don't like. This means in effect that Israel does not care that I'm Jewish - I have the wrong opinion to the powers that be so if I tried to migrate my application could easily suffer the same fate as happened to Leo Franks.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Off topic. The big point which you missed is that Israel has had an absolute right of return for Jews but the story says that this is not the case if someone has an opinion those in power don't like. This means in effect that Israel does not care that I'm Jewish - I have the wrong opinion to the powers that be so if I tried to migrate my application could easily suffer the same fate as happened to Leo Franks.
That tends to be how ethnonationalism goes. They say it's race, but it always comes with a list of other qualifers you must meet.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
The big point which you missed is that Israel has had an absolute right of return for Jews
Wrong, political rights are not absolute. The state of Israel has no ethical basis so it is impossible for it to grant absolute rights.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Off topic. The big point which you missed....
Can't address everything that could be addressed.
So we prioritize.
.....is that Israel has had an absolute right of return for Jews but the story says that this is not the case if someone has an opinion those in power don't like. This means in effect that Israel does not care that I'm Jewish - I have the wrong opinion to the powers that be so if I tried to migrate my application could easily suffer the same fate as happened to Leo Franks.
Israel is so much like Russia, eh.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
The big point which you missed is that Israel has had an absolute right of return for Jews but the story says that this is not the case if someone has an opinion those in power don't like.

Wrong, political rights are not absolute. The state of Israel has no ethical basis so it is impossible for it to grant absolute rights.

"not absolute" ... ?
"no ethical basis" ... ?

You're playing sophomoric word games.

The Times of Israel reports:

“Was the ministry targeting him because he is some kind of activist? I can’t say. It’s clear the police want these activists to leave the country, and that was the end result of the ministry’s actions,” said Franks’ Israeli immigration attorney, Ira Rozina.​

“This is a person with a right to make aliyah,” she said. “To prevent someone from exercising that basic right should require a very significant justification.”​
It could seem reasonable for a country to want to deny citizenship to someone who has protested against it. But Israel’s Law of Return, which guarantees citizenship to all Jews and their children and grandchildren, outlines very narrow conditions under which a request can be denied. People with criminal records can be rejected, but they do not have to be.​
While some Jews have been denied entry to Israel for their political views, such as supporting the boycott movement against Israel, no one is known to have been denied aliyah on such a basis.​
“Even a criminal record isn’t enough,” Rozina said. “The person has got to represent a serious danger to take away their right.”​
Rozina said she had never heard of a case like his, and while she declined to draw any sweeping conclusions about Israel’s commitment to taking in Jews under the Law of Return, she said the outcome was “surprising and alarming.” [source]​

Meanwhile, Settler Violence against Palestinians demonstrates some of the most egregious unchecked ethnic intimidation and terror on the planet.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
And is appears Jewish settlers can get away with terrorist acts:
Par for the course for the Likudniks. On the positive side It's use-by date is approaching up with the inevitable realization that the initial response to the Hamas attack was let-it-happen and not monumental incompetence.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
.... On the positive side It's use-by date is approaching up with the inevitable realization that the initial response to the Hamas attack was let-it-happen and not monumental incompetence.

<yawn>

The Israeli electorate is moving to the right, and the Gantz/Sa'ar center-right National Unity Party hardly counts as "the positive side."​

</yawn>
 
Top