Israeli forces kill dozens of Palestinians in Gaza 'massacre'

[columbus]

e missed that campaign promise.

You prolly did.


You white people don't care about much but tax cuts.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

You prolly did.

If cromulent, you could produce it.

You white people don't care about much but tax cuts.
Tom

Opposing gay marriage is also important to us.
You people make God cry.
(This explains the deluge of rain here lately.)

 

[rosends]

What is the merit moving the embassy?

Placing the American diplomats in the same city as a nation's seat of government among other things. There are all sorts of political advantages in terms of America's position as an ally of Israel, and America's statement about holding to its promises, but those are not important right now.

Other than cowing to fear and political pressure, why would a country NOT have its embassy in another nation's capital? Why do we have to find an excuse to do what it the norm in the world?

 

[Revoltingest]

Placing the American diplomats in the same city as a nation's seat of government among other things. There are all sorts of political advantages in terms of America's position as an ally of Israel, and America's statement about holding to its promises, but those are not important right now.

What political advantages do we gain?

Other than cowing to fear and political pressure, why would a country NOT have its embassy in another nation's capital? Why do we have to find an excuse to do what it the norm in the world?

The cost of moving it is not just money, but also in the predictable violence & death.
Is all that death worth our trumpeting that we weren't "cowed".
Tump's move does not serve this country.

 

[rosends]

The cost of moving it is not just money, but also in the predictable violence & death.

And we should be afraid of people so we should make decisions in order to give in to terrorists. Let others determine our foreign policy. They promise to kill us if we do something so instead of asserting our own autonomy, we let them push us around. Cowed.

 

[Revoltingest]

And we should be afraid of people so we should make decisions in order to give in to terrorists. Let others determine our foreign policy. They promise to kill us if we do something so instead of asserting our own autonomy, we let them push us around. Cowed.

To make it about being "afraid" is to cas the decision of preserving one's machismo.
Instead, look at it coldly, ie, 2 options, each with consequences.
This takes the emotion out of it, & addresses what's important.
Pick the more desirable consequences.
1) Status quo.
2) Move it, & increase violence & death.

 

[rosends]

To make it about being "afraid" is to cas the decision of preserving one's machismo.
Instead, look at it coldly, ie, 2 options, each with consequences.
This takes the emotion out of it, & addresses what's important.
Pick the more desirable consequences.
1) Status quo.
2) Move it, & increase violence & death.

So are you advocating no changes in any policy if there is a concern over violence and death as a result? Are we allowing the potential that another group will be unhappy and will lash out to mold who we are and what we do?

 

[columbus]

Let others determine our foreign policy.

This is exactly why I am so angry with Trump's decision to move the embassy.
There's nothing in it for the USA. But both Netanyahu and Hamas gained political points because Trump did it.

So did Trump, he is desperately trying to hang on to his evangelical Christian base. The Zionists and the Islamicists helped him to do that, by delivering the violence that Trump needed. Trump let other people determine our foreign policy, for political gain, and at the expense of more Middle East violence.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

So are you advocating no changes in any policy if there is a concern over violence and death as a result? Are we allowing the potential that another group will be unhappy and will lash out to mold who we are and what we do?

Yes, we should always take into account the consequences of our actions.
You phrase it dismissively as merely "unhappy", but it's larger than that.
When the actions have little value to offer, & we know the results will
be deadly, it's wrong to chose the latter.

 

[rosends]

This is exactly why I am so angry with Trump's decision to move the embassy.
There's nothing in it for the USA. But both Netanyahu and Hamas gained political points because Trump did it.

So did Trump, he is desperately trying to hang on to his evangelical Christian base. The Zionists and the Islamicists helped him to do that, by delivering the violence that Trump needed. Trump let other people determine our foreign policy, for political gain, and at the expense of more Middle East violence.
Tom

Well, if that's your attitude, you must be upset anytime a politician does something to further his own political ends or his party's agenda, rather than subsuming his own needs and acting primarily on behalf of he country. That would make politics a corrupt, dirty and self serving pursuit in which the rich get richer and the country's needs are satisfied only when they happen to be in line with the priorities of the politicians. That would be horrible.

 

[Shad]

My point is that Bilarry is better at global violence than Trump.

Yes I know Libya is in great condition right now.

 

[Akivah]

So are you advocating no changes in any policy if there is a concern over violence and death as a result? Are we allowing the potential that another group will be unhappy and will lash out to mold who we are and what we do?

That's what Europe is doing.

 

[Akivah]

Trump let other people determine our foreign policy, for political gain, and at the expense of more Middle East violence.
Tom

Actually President Bill Clinton determined this foreign policy. Congress passed a law in 1995 requiring our embassy to be moved to Israel's Capitol. Unfortunately, we had to wait over 20 years for a president with the balls to do it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So, both sides are wrong and people get killed. What's new?

Exactly. It sucks from a humanitarian point of view, but what really can be done? Anything American or any Western power can do will only make things worse. Everyone is just better off if we stop trying to intervene and dictate their centuries-long holy wars.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

N

Placing the American diplomats in the same city as a nation's seat of government among other things. There are all sorts of political advantages in terms of America's position as an ally of Israel, and America's statement about holding to its promises, but those are not important right now.

Other than cowing to fear and political pressure, why would a country NOT have its embassy in another nation's capital? Why do we have to find an excuse to do what it the norm in the world?

Not every country has a disputed capital, like Israel.
Which is the reason the other countries do not have their embassies there.

 

[rosends]

N


Not every country has a disputed capital, like Israel.
Which is the reason the other countries do not have their embassies there.

There is a bit more to it than that
Who Decides the Capital of Israel? | HonestReporting

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Palestinian leaders have declared war on Israel and they use their own civilians as cannon fodder. I think perhaps those crimes ought to be tried in court, don't you?

They have in the past but I doubt this is a case of that. Even if they did; Israel has snipers - precision weapons - and they're still hitting civilians. No excuse. In fact the use of precision weapons just makes it worse.

Need I reiterate: "there is no excuse, political or otherwise for the deliberate killing of civilians".

 

[rosends]

They have in the past but I doubt this is a case of that. Even if they did; Israel has snipers - precision weapons - and they're still hitting civilians. No excuse. In fact the use of precision weapons just makes it worse.

Need I reiterate: "there is no excuse, political or otherwise for the deliberate killing of civilians".

I don't think you fully appreciate the situation. Yesterday there were 40,000 people. If an army wanted to kill, it could have killed a huge number. But the soldiers on the line followed strict rules of engagement. The problem was that the Hamas operatives used the smoke that they created, the confusion and the similarity in clothing to hide behind civilians. They put children in the line of fire.

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Natan Slifkin

Natan Slifkin

Israel Defense Forces

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually President Bill Clinton determined this foreign policy. Congress passed a law in 1995 requiring our embassy to be moved to Israel's Capitol. Unfortunately, we had to wait over 20 years for a president with the balls to do it.

Yeah. And when it happened, as predicted, it was a catalyst of even more violence and death.

 

[icehorse]

They have in the past but I doubt this is a case of that. Even if they did; Israel has snipers - precision weapons - and they're still hitting civilians. No excuse. In fact the use of precision weapons just makes it worse.

Need I reiterate: "there is no excuse, political or otherwise for the deliberate killing of civilians".

In cases like this, the devil is in the details. The context is crucial here: Palestinians have unilaterally declared was on Israel. In this context, it strikes me that a mob of angry people on the border can't really be called "civilians".