It Is Good For A Man Not To Have Sexual Relations With A Woman.”

[Subduction Zone]

Well...then just leave me in my blessed ignorance! I think it is a great story of how God loves each and every one of us and we were created to produce life impact.

you could always try to learn. It is never too late.

 

[Kenny]

you could always try to learn. It is never too late.

Loving people is a life long learning process.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Loving people is a life long learning process.

Yes, clearly that is not in your skill set either.

 

[Kenny]

Yes, clearly that is not in your skill set either.

Never said I was perfect. God is still working on me!

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Anyone care to explain god's (speaking through Paul) rather odd declaration here?

Easy. He's an incel.

Which would be a good reason for the Catholic church to change it's celibacy policy for priests.

I get it was about shutting down children inheriting church property, but all you really have to do is ban that, not the family part. Just seems like overkill, to me.

AND, just reading a bit, apparently in the US, 200,000 men with advanced Prostate Cancer are castrated. Some take Estrogen to stop bone loss. Oh and then there are those creepy Transgender folk ..

I once got in trouble for not reading admission orders thoroughly. They were like, "You didn't think it was odd a male patient had an estrogen order?" I was like, "I've had male patients on estrogen to deal with their inappropriate behavior. So ... no ... didn't bother me at all."

But god doesn't present any qualification such as, it's alright to be boppin' babes "if someone can handle it." Nope, he just says it aint good to be messin' around with women. Period. However, he does go on to say how to avoid fornication. In essence; in order to avoid having sex without being married, get married. Kind of a no-brainer if one thinks about it, but that's god for ya.

God: Be fruitful and multiply.
Also God: Don't be fruitful and multiply.

I don't think there is any explaining it, other than Paul is perhaps one of those false prophets Jesus warned about because God commanded several for humans to be fruitful and multiply, and we can't do that unless men and women are having sex.

Well, technically, here in the 21st century there are other options, though.

It is a matter that has bothered me since I first read the Bible. There were 12 Apostles, and one hanged himself. Paul had stood by and allowed men to kill believers in Jesus Christ as having committed Heresy. I'm uneasy about what happened after, and that doesn't get him off the hook for me. In the aftermath Paul seems to have written most of the NT, and changed the direction of the church. Jesus Christ set one direction and he heavily edited it.

Paul is a Trojan Horse virus who apparently believed "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." By infiltrating the group, he could do more damage than stoning ever did.

This is an example of the importance of knowing who the Bible was written to and the significance of the time it was written. God told Adam and Eve to multiply, but by the time Paul came on the scene, thousands of years later, multiplying and filling the earth had been accomplished. It wasn't a Christian concern.

Agreed, but SOMEONE has to. Or not. This IS the 21st century after all.

Paul said in Eph 5:32 Marriage is the beautiful design of the Almighty

You'd think you'd have a scene somewhere in the OT where it's invented. Adam just tells Eve he's going to have sex with her. I'm not much on ceremony, but DAMN, he could've tried to be a BIT more romantic. Then it just glosses over families for awhile until the plot picks back up.

And of course Jesus said that nobody in heaven even really cares, so ...

Paul is advocating for people to remain unmarried so that they can more fully devote themselves to God's work.

"Be fruitful and multiply" is one of the FIRST few rules humans get out of the box.

All us willful virgins are technically breaking one of the most ancient of laws.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Be fruitful and multiply" is one of the FIRST few rules humans get out of the box.

And not to mention it's pretty consistent about that, until Paul comes along. If the Bible is consistent about anything, it's that god wants people--and even other animals--to reproduce.

 

[Ellen Brown]

And not to mention it's pretty consistent about that, until Paul comes along. If the Bible is consistent about anything, it's that god wants people--and even other animals--to reproduce.

I wonder if there is a way to find out which denominations have issue with Paul? It is not often spoken of.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wonder if there is a way to find out which denominations have issue with Paul? It is not often spoken of.

It *might* be a more modern phenomena, as I know nothing of Church history to suggest it has been contended, with the exception of the time when the Bible was being canonized and the Gnostic gospels. Other than that, I'm not aware of any historical questioning of Paul's standing as an Apostle, though he isn't acknowledged as a Saint throughout the Protestant denominations.

 

[Kenny]

You'd think you'd have a scene somewhere in the OT where it's invented. Adam just tells Eve he's going to have sex with her. I'm not much on ceremony, but DAMN, he could've tried to be a BIT more romantic. Then it just glosses over families for awhile until the plot picks back up.

And of course Jesus said that nobody in heaven even really cares, so ...

If that's all you get out of it, then that's all there is for you.

Apparently Jesus got more out of it because he is having a "marriage supper of the Lamb".

 

[Subduction Zone]

If that's all you get out of it, then that's all there is for you.

Apparently Jesus got more out of it because he his having a "marriage supper of the Lamb".

Why conflate the preaching of Paul with the works of Jesus?

 

[Kenny]

Why conflate the preaching of Paul with the works of Jesus?

Don’t see any differences

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don’t see any differences

That is too bad. For a start you should read what Jesus says about homosexuality.

 

[Kenny]

That is too bad. For a start you should read what Jesus says about homosexuality.

He said... "He who is without sin, cast the first stone".

 

[Subduction Zone]

He said... "He who is without sin, cast the first stone".

Are you claiming that homosexuals are without sin? That would be the only rational interpretation of your use of that verse.

 

[Kenny]

Are you claiming that homosexuals are without sin? That would be the only rational interpretation of your use of that verse.

No... I guess you haven't studied scriptures.

It's found in John 8;

1 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them.3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.

4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery.5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”

6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.

9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman.10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”

11 “No, Lord,” she said.

And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

 

[Subduction Zone]

K

No... I guess you haven't studied scriptures.

It's found in John 8;

1 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them.3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.

4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery.5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”

6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.

9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman.10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”

11 “No, Lord,” she said.

And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

Why would you start your post with an obvious lie?

You failed in using that verse inappropriately. Try again.

 

[Kenny]

K

Why would you start your post with an obvious lie?

You failed in using that verse inappropriately. Try again.

Don't know how you got there. I'm not casting the first stone... but feel free to do it if you are sinless.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't know how you got there. I'm not casting the first stone... but feel free to do it if you are sinless.

We were not talking about the casting of stones. I asked you a question. You misapplied a Bible verse and then you broke the Ninth Commandment.

you did not seem to realize that by your use of that verse it appeared that you were calling homosexuals sinless.

try to sharpen up those logic skills a bit. Or you could .Try to answer politely and properly.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That is too bad. For a start you should read what Jesus says about homosexuality.

Especially that part about Jesus healing the Roman Centurion's special buddy.

 

[Kenny]

you did not seem to realize that by your use of that verse it appeared that you were calling homosexuals sinless.

No... it was your application that was wrong.

The quote says "ALL' have sin. Homosexuals, heterosexual, you and me. That is what he was saying. Only HE is sinless and has the right to throw the first stone and he didn't

PLEASE! take a course in Christian Theology.

We were not talking about the casting of stones. I asked you a question. You misapplied a Bible verse and then you broke the Ninth Commandment.

Please see above