It is impossible Mohammad (s) and his family (a) historically existed and they did not perform miracles.

[sayak83]

Today? Can you give me a reputation of a person today who says he will perform miracles in public and people believe he is performing them, his supporters believe it's power from God while his opponents believe it's magic acquired or inherited?

Really? There are Hundreds!
Bageshwar Dham Sarkar: The Indian guru making headlines over 'miracle' cures
Sathya Sai Baba Miracles - Four great miracle stories.

John G. Lake |

 

[Link]

Really? There are Hundreds!
Bageshwar Dham Sarkar: The Indian guru making headlines over 'miracle' cures
Sathya Sai Baba Miracles - Four great miracle stories.

John G. Lake |

This is not the same thing.

 

[LuisDantas]

This is not the same thing.

How not?

 

[sayak83]

This is not the same thing.

How are they different? Justify

 

[Link]

How are they different? Justify

It's different if great portion of society is accusing him of sorcery for constant miracles then some few stories that can have alternative explanations. It's different if he says he will perform miracles in public and to go ahead ask for them.

 

[sayak83]

It's different if great portion of society is accusing him of sorcery for constant miracles then some few stories that can have alternative explanations. It's different if he says he will perform miracles in public and to go ahead ask for them.

What you said was unclear. I do not understand what you mean.

 

[Link]

What you said was unclear. I do not understand what you mean.

Constantly telling the public about miracles and that he will perform them in public, is different then a few testimonies and stories around him. I hope you can note the huge difference.

The few stories can not be verified by everyone while if he was stating he will perform miracles in public and it was a constant thing, if he can't perform them, he would be made a laughing stock.

 

[sayak83]

Constantly telling the public about miracles and that he will perform them in public, is different then a few testimonies and stories around him. I hope you can note the huge difference.

The few stories can not be verified by everyone while if he was stating he will perform miracles in public and it was a constant thing, if he can't perform them, he would be made a laughing stock.

All these people I mention have performed (at least claimed to have performed) thousands of miracles in public. The links merely mention a few. Entire books have been written on their miracles. Millions believe in them after seeing these. Millions others of course disbelieve..same as the times of Jesus or Mohammed.

John G. Lake |
Miracle Invasion
Miracles of Sivananda – The Divine Life Society

 

[LuisDantas]

Constantly telling the public about miracles and that he will perform them in public, is different then a few testimonies and stories around him. I hope you can note the huge difference.

The few stories can not be verified by everyone while if he was stating he will perform miracles in public and it was a constant thing, if he can't perform them, he would be made a laughing stock.

You would be surprised.

 

[Link]

All these people I mention have performed (at least claimed to have performed) thousands of miracles in public. The links merely mention a few. Entire books have been written on their miracles. Millions believe in them after seeing these. Millions others of course disbelieve..same as the times of Jesus or Mohammed.

John G. Lake |
Miracle Invasion
Miracles of Sivananda – The Divine Life Society

I will do more research into it. My hunch is there is a big difference in that they will perform them in controlled settings (pay people to act as if they got cured type place settings) and they aren't splitting moon type miracles or splitting a tree and causing it to move. In other words, there can be a con explanation to these miracles, as opposed to a moon splitting type.

 

[sayak83]

I will do more research into it. My hunch is there is a big difference in that they will perform them in controlled settings (pay people to act as if they got cured type place settings) and they aren't splitting moon type miracles or splitting a tree and causing it to move. In other words, there can be a con explanation to these miracles, as opposed to a moon splitting type.

Nobody split the moon. It's a myth.
If moon was split. Show written evidence of moon split being witnessed in China, Constantinople, India etc

 

[McBell]

... and they aren't splitting moon type miracles ...

without using the Koran/Quran, present some evidence that the moon was actually split.
And by "without using the Koran/Quran", I mean where it is not the the source of the evidence.

 

[Link]

without using the Koran/Quran, present some evidence that the moon was actually split.
And by "without using the Koran/Quran", I mean where it is not the the source of the evidence.

You really don't understand my argument.

 

[Augustus]

Also, in Surah Qamar where moon split is talking, it says this:

That verse seems to be talking about a future event connected to the eschaton.

The miracles seem to be late fabrications in Hadith that attempt to justify Muhammad’s lack of miracles outside of the purportedly miraculous Quran.

 

[McBell]

Subject 1: Quran and hadiths claim Mohammad (s) and his family (a) performed miracles (can be and will be proven)

I am still waiting for you prove this.
after you have proven it, we can move on to number two.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It does if Quran originates from Mohammad (s) and historically it does.

No, it doesn't.

Again, you are making the "there is a Peter Parker in Manhatten, therefor spiderman is real" fallacious arguments.

Claims fall and stand on their own merrits.
A historical jesus existing doesn't mean he's a magical being.
A historical mohammed existing doesn't mean he went to heaven on a winged horse.

 

[Link]

I am still waiting for you prove this.
after you have proven it, we can move on to number two.

It's already been proven. If you wish to address the proof I presented go ahead.

 

[McBell]

It's already been proven. If you wish to address the proof I presented go ahead.

You will need to point to the posts you think prove it.

I most certainly have not seen any in this thread that do.

 

[Ajax]

here are many places. An obvious place is Surah Moon (Qamar).

However, I can do more than that. I can show his family are shown to be ones to perform such signs as well.

In Surah Anbiya (Prophets) this is what it states:,,,,,,

Who dictated the Quran? Mohammad.
Who wrote the Quran? His companions.
If I say that I have performed many miracles and my friends write all of them in a book, will you believe me?

David Copperfield can do much more...

 

[Link]

Who dictated the Quran? Mohammad.
Who wrote the Quran? His companions.
If I say that I have performed many miracles and my friends write all of them in a book, will you believe me?

David Copperfield can do much more...

I would not believe you and furthermore society would not believe nor accuse if they don't support you of being a sorcerer. You would be just termed a liar and that's it. You would not become famous. You wouldn't have followers believing you did miracles and opponents accusing you of sorcery.