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"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel."

LongGe123

Active Member
I totally agree with that though. It wouldn't exactly be fair if you did deem somebody anti-semitic for criticising government policy of a nation. The fact that they're Jewish is completely irrelevant, they could be Muslim, Hindu or Christian and if they were doing the same things then the criticisms would be called for and valid.

If you criticise the Israeli Government, and in my opinion you should, and then are called an anti-semite, then it just means someone is using anti-semitism as a cloak. Powell is right about it, religion and religious discrimination doesn't even come into it, it's about government.
 

sushannah

Member
Solve et Coagula said:
"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel."

Colin Powell
I suppose it would depend on what policies are being criticized, are what is being said.

Frankly, I really don't understand what you are trying to say with this thread!
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
It is neither anti-semitic to criticize the policies of Israel nor is it anti-semitic to criticize Judaism. Anti-semitism is sometimes used as a political "weapon" to paint someone as a racist when in fact no such racism exists.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
gnomon said:
It is neither anti-semitic to criticize the policies of Israel nor is it anti-semitic to criticize Judaism. Anti-semitism is sometimes used as a political "weapon" to paint someone as a racist when in fact no such racism exists.
so anti-semitism doesn't exist?
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
i don't think it is anti-semitic to criticize Israel...

however i find there is a fine and blurry line between anti-zionism and anti-semitism.
 

Popeyesays

Well-Known Member
jewscout said:
i don't think it is anti-semitic to criticize Israel...

however i find there is a fine and blurry line between anti-zionism and anti-semitism.
You can usually see that line clearly when the individual says: "Its not anti-semitic to criticize Israel" and then preface all his criticism with the words "The Jews", or "Those Jews". I can't tell you how often I have seen that line crossed really hard moderating lists that discuss and criticize the holocaust denial zealots.

Regards,
Scott
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
We also don't know in what context Powell was meaning this short little bit. It would be more interesting to know exactly what he was referring to.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Popeyesays said:
You can usually see that line clearly when the individual says: "Its not anti-semitic to criticize Israel" and then preface all his criticism with the words "The Jews", or "Those Jews". I can't tell you how often I have seen that line crossed really hard moderating lists that discuss and criticize the holocaust denial zealots.

Regards,
Scott
yes but you also get those who use the terms, zionist and jew interchangeably...

i have also seen many anti-zionists who begin w/ criticizing Israel and zionism and then slowly you see them come to a "revelation" that the root of all this is really Judaism.

by then they've gathered a following of idiots who make that "revelation" w/ them...
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Solve et Coagula said:
"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel."

Colin Powell
But it may be antisemitic to quote things out of context. It is, at the very least pathetically deceitful ...


"Anti-Semitism Shall Have No Place Among Us," Powell Says
Remarks April 28 at OSCE Conference on Anti-Semitism in Berlin

Secretary of State Colin Powell called on participants at a conference in Berlin April 28 to take action against "the new fires of anti-Semitism within our societies."

The conference, organized by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), follows the first OSCE-sponsored conference held last June in Vienna.

"Today, we confront the ugly reality that anti-Semitism is not just a fact of history, but a current event," Powell said.

"We are appalled that in recent years the incidence of anti-Semitic hate crimes has been on the increase within our community of democratic nations," he said. "All of us recognize that we must take decisive measures to reverse this disturbing trend."

Powell called on the conferees from the 55 participating OSCE states "to work in close partnership to create a culture of social tolerance and civic courage, in which anti-Semitism and other forms of racial and religious hatred are met with the active resistance of our citizens, authorities and political leaders."

He said the message must be sent "far and wide that anti-Semitism is always wrong and it is always dangerous."

The secretary of state also slammed anti-Semitism masquerading as criticism of Israel.

"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel," he said. "But the line is crossed when Israel or its leaders are demonized or vilified, for example by the use of Nazi symbols and racist caricatures."

Acknowledging that the United States has "its share of anti-Semites and skinheads and other assorted racists, bigots and extremists" Powell stressed that the "overwhelming majority of Americans are repelled by these hate-mongers and reject their vicious ways, their vicious views, their vicious attitudes. Overwhelmingly the American people embrace diversity as a national asset and tolerance is embraced as a civic virtue."

Such tolerance, "like hatred, is a learned behavior passed from one generation to the next unless the new generation is educated differently," he said. Hence the importance of learning and sharing "best practices against anti-Semitism."

The OSCE states have come together and "will declare with one voice: ‘Anti-Semitism shall have no place among us. Hate shall find no home within a Europe whole, free and at peace.'"

- see USINFO.STATE.GOV
So much for your deceit ...
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Thank you very much for correct context Jayhawker.

You have given out too much Karma in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Rats, foiled again. :eek:
 
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