It is time to revise the Methodology of Science

[ChristineM]

Is it me or does the OP not make any sense?

Its not just you

 

[Polymath257]

A wishfull thinking. Please prove, that humans did know, that Y-Chromosomal Adam lived the same time with the Original Eve. You are simply nihilating my results, totally unjust way.

And both Y-Adam and M-Eve had a common ancestor a million years before. In fact ancestors both male and female. So what? That is neither the point of Y-Adam nor M-Eve. Calling *one* of M-Eve's ancestors alive at the same time as Y-Adam the 'Original' is, at least, problematic. For example, there is no reason to think O-Eve and Y-Adam knew each other.

Again, nothing here comes anywhere close to what would be required for a legitimate journal article.

 

[questfortruth]

And both Y-Adam and M-Eve had a common ancestor a million years before. In fact ancestors both male and female. So what? That is neither the point of Y-Adam nor M-Eve. Calling *one* of M-Eve's ancestors alive at the same time as Y-Adam the 'Original' is, at least, problematic. For example, there is no reason to think O-Eve and Y-Adam knew each other.

Again, nothing here comes anywhere close to what would be required for a legitimate journal article.

Why not to call the grand-grand-grand-grand-mother of M-Eve as Original? Do you argue with the word? It is simply respect for the Religion. You can still use term "pre-original Eves" for example.

 

[Polymath257]

Why not to call the grand-grand-grand-grand-mother of M-Eve as Original? Do you argue with the word? It is simply respect for the Religion. You can still use term "pre-original Eves" for example.

Well, because she would have had other ancestors with just as much claim to being 'Original'. Also, since it is unlikely that she and Y-Adam knew each other, what special reason is there to single her (or them) out? Remember that there would likely be *several* ancestors of M-Eve alive when Y-Adam was. It is far from clear there was one that came only through the female line.

 

[David T]

Let us assume, that Y-Chromosomal Adam lived 600 years before the Mitochondrial
Eve was born. But the female ancestor of that Eve lived also 600 years before
the Mitochondrial Eve. Do you follow, or it is way too complicated? According to Wikipedia, there is non-zero probability, that Y-Chromosomal Adam lived same time as Mitochondrial Eve. The Mitochondrial Eve has grand-grand-grand-mother called "original Eve''. Enough grand, that this grand-grand-grand-Eve lived the same time with Y-Chromosomal Adam. Do you copy that?

If the Y-Chromosomal Adam lived centuries before the Mitochondrial Eve,
then the future Eve was in the genus of those who lived with Adam.
Therefore, one can say that Adam lived at the same time as Eve. This is
argued in this paper. In addition, I use the opportunity for a discourse
about the methodology of science, proposing a change of methodology.
Well, how could we all have gone in the wrong direction? The wrong direction
started from Ancient Greece, when the methodology of mistrust began to form.
This direction was developed by the Christians: Popper, Occam, Darwin were
Christians. Is sounds like the Church Schism. Today, Dr.Kaku teaches that
reality does not exist and that the Science got it all wrong:

"Dr.Kaku teaches that
reality does not exist and that the Science got it all wrong"

I never realized science and math was actually literally in the business of "REALITY". Since when did something happen?

 

[fantome profane]

Let us assume, that Y-Chromosomal Adam lived 600 years before the Mitochondrial Eve was born. But the female ancestor of that Eve lived also 600 years before the Mitochondrial Eve. Do you follow, or it is way too complicated?

What is not clear is what your point is. Yes, there was a female ancestor of Mitochondrial Eve living 600 years before her. And there was one living 1000 years before her, and 1100 years before her, or whatever numbers of years you want to pick.

What is your point?

 

[questfortruth]

Well, because she would have had other ancestors with just as much claim to being 'Original'. Also, since it is unlikely that she and Y-Adam knew each other, what special reason is there to single her (or them) out? Remember that there would likely be *several* ancestors of M-Eve alive when Y-Adam was. It is far from clear there was one that came only through the female line.

Look, from the M-Eve (she is known to Science, the Science in Wikipedia
talks about her: she is the real person) at least 3 500 000 000 female lines
follow into the future: these lines connect every women in our 2018
year with M-Eve by blood (all females in 2018 are blood-relatives, all
are ``sisters in Eve").
But from M-Eve only single female line follows into the past. And if
the Y-Adam lived 600 years before M-Eve was born, then he was walking
on the planet, with the female blood relative(s) of M-Eve.
Moreover, from Y-Adam the single male line could follow into the past. However,
due to human-monkey population becomes more and more small in numbers
(while our mind motion into past), is expected, that past-directed Y-line and past
directed M-line are converging to just one couple: original couple of
Adam and Eve. Think about them, are they looking in your imagination
as monkeys, alien biorobots, or a simple one-cell organisms? Oh my dear!
What are your problems with the Absolute Truth?!

 

[SomeRandom]

Look, from the M-Eve (she is known to Science, the Science in Wikipedia
talks about her: she is the real person) at least 3 500 000 000 female lines
follow into the future: these lines connect every women in our 2018
year with M-Eve by blood (all females in 2018 are blood-relatives, all
are ``sisters in Eve").
But from M-Eve only single female line follows into the past. And if
the Y-Adam lived 600 years before M-Eve was born, then he was walking
on the planet, with the female blood relative(s) of M-Eve.
Moreover, from Y-Adam the single male line could follow into the past. However,
due to human-monkey population becomes more and more small in numbers
(while our mind motion into past), is expected, that past-directed Y-line and past
directed M-line are converging to just one couple: original couple of
Adam and Eve. Think about them, are they looking in your imagination
as monkeys, alien biorobots, or a simple one-cell organisms? Oh my dear!
What are your problems with the Absolute Truth?!

If I think about Y nucleus Adam and Mitochondrial Eve I picture one of those early sub species that appears on the chart my old primary school class had.
They didn't live at the same time. In fact isn't there like a bunch of lineages like that. The most recent mitochondrial line broke like a decade or so ago? I vaguely remember hearing about that during biology class back in the day.

 

[questfortruth]

As for the methodology of science: it is precisely because of stuff along this line that we have peer review to eliminate the crud.

 

[Riders]

Let us assume, that Y-Chromosomal Adam lived 600 years before the Mitochondrial Eve was born. But the female ancestor of that Eve lived also 600 years before the Mitochondrial Eve. Do you follow, or it is way too complicated?

Let us assume says it all !

 

[frbnsn]

According to me, as a muslim, Adam who was the first homo sapiens, had a mother and father.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Let us assume, that Y-Chromosomal Adam lived 600 years before the Mitochondrial Eve was born. But the female ancestor of that Eve lived also 600 years before the Mitochondrial Eve. Do you follow, or it is way too complicated?

IMHO, there is nothing wrong with that. We all contribute to the gene pool. Every one is a potential Y-Chromosomal Adam or Mitochondrial Eve whenever wherever they may have lived. We humans (as all other animals too) are evolving constantly, it is happening even now. We do not know what human kind will look like after a few million years (if we survive that long). Did the Lorisidae know 80 million years ago that a branch of their descendants will change into Humans?
Strepsirrhini - Wikipedia, Lorisidae - Wikipedia.

 

[frbnsn]

IMHO, there is nothing wrong with that. We all contribute to the gene pool. Every one is a potential Y-Chromosomal Adam or Mitochondrial Eve whenever wherever they may have lived. We humans (as all other animals too) are evolving constantly, it is happening even now. We do not know what human kind will look like after a few million years (if we survive that long). Did the Lorisidae know 80 million years ago that a branch of their descendants will change into Humans?
Strepsirrhini - Wikipedia, Lorisidae - Wikipedia.

According to you,what is the reason of the evoluation? What force beings to evoluate?

 

[exchemist]

Is it me or does the OP not make any sense?

Do not adjust your set.

 

[Kirran]

Look, from the M-Eve (she is known to Science, the Science in Wikipedia
talks about her: she is the real person) at least 3 500 000 000 female lines
follow into the future: these lines connect every women in our 2018
year with M-Eve by blood (all females in 2018 are blood-relatives, all
are ``sisters in Eve").
But from M-Eve only single female line follows into the past. And if
the Y-Adam lived 600 years before M-Eve was born, then he was walking
on the planet, with the female blood relative(s) of M-Eve.
Moreover, from Y-Adam the single male line could follow into the past. However,
due to human-monkey population becomes more and more small in numbers
(while our mind motion into past), is expected, that past-directed Y-line and past
directed M-line are converging to just one couple: original couple of
Adam and Eve. Think about them, are they looking in your imagination
as monkeys, alien biorobots, or a simple one-cell organisms? Oh my dear!
What are your problems with the Absolute Truth?!

Like, I can see why you follow the reasoning there, but actually a population is always a pool, and there would always have been multiple genetic lineages going on. Maybe look into the Identical Ancestors Point?

 

[questfortruth]

Like, I can see why you follow the reasoning there, but actually a population is always a pool, and there would always have been multiple genetic lineages going on. Maybe look into the Identical Ancestors Point?

Have onyone noticed here the logical mistake? Why mt-MRCA is older than mt-ACA?

As of 2013, estimates for the age Y-MRCA are
subject to substantial uncertainty, with a wide range of times from 180,000 to
580,000 years ago (with an estimated age of between 120,000 and 156,000 years
ago, roughly consistent with the estimate for mt-MRCA).

In genetic genealogy, the identical ancestors point (IAP) or all common ancestors (ACA) point is the most recent point in a given population's past where each individual then alive turned out to either be the ancestor of every individual alive now or has no currently living descendants. This point lies further in the past than the population's most recent common ancestor (MRCA)....

The identical ancestors point for Homo sapiens has been the subject of debate. In 2004, Rohde, Olson and Chang showed through simulations that the Identical Ancestors Point for all humans is surprisingly recent, on the order of 5,000-10,000 years ago. Ralph and Coop, considering the European population and working from genetics, came to similar conclusions for the recent common ancestry of Europeans.[2][3][4]

 

[Kirran]

Have onyone noticed here the logical mistake? Why mt-MRCA is older than mt-ACA?

There is no such thing as mt-ACA. There is most recent common ancestor (MRCA), there is the ACA point and then there are mtMRCA and Y-MRCA, all of which are different things.

 

[Aupmanyav]

According to you,what is the reason of the evolution? What forces beings to evolve?

First recorded electron microscope photograph of DNA
DNA - Wikipedia

DNA (Khan Academy)

 

[Aupmanyav]

The identical ancestors point for Homo sapiens has been the subject of debate. In 2004, Rohde, Olson and Chang showed through simulations that the Identical Ancestors Point for all humans is surprisingly recent, on the order of 5,000-10,000 years ago. Ralph and Coop, considering the European population and working from genetics, came to similar conclusions for the recent common ancestry of Europeans.

"However, a 2012 study in Iceland of 78 children and their parents suggests a mutation rate of only 36 mutations per generation; this datum extends the separation between humans and chimps to an earlier period greater than 7 million years ago (Ma). Additional research with 226 offspring of wild chimp populations in 8 locations suggests that chimps reproduce at age 26.5 years, on average; which suggests the human divergence from chimps occurred between 7 and 13 million years ago. And these data suggest that Ardipithecus (4.5 Ma), Orrorin (6 Ma) and Sahelanthropus (7 Ma) all may be on the hominid lineage, and even that the separation may have occurred outside the East African Rift region."
Human evolution - Wikipedia

"Furthermore, analysis of the two species' genes in 2006 provides evidence that after human ancestors had started to diverge from chimpanzees, interspecies mating between "proto-human" and "proto-chimps" nonetheless occurred regularly enough to change certain genes in the new gene pool:

A new comparison of the human and chimp genomes suggests that after the two lineages separated, they may have begun interbreeding. .. A principal finding is that the X chromosomes of humans and chimps appear to have diverged about 1.2 million years more recently than the other chromosomes.

The research suggests: There were in fact two splits between the human and chimp lineages, with the first being followed by interbreeding between the two populations and then a second split. The suggestion of a hybridization has startled paleoanthropologists, who nonetheless are treating the new genetic data seriously."
Human evolution - Wikipedia

 

[Polymath257]

Look, from the M-Eve (she is known to Science, the Science in Wikipedia
talks about her: she is the real person) at least 3 500 000 000 female lines
follow into the future: these lines connect every women in our 2018
year with M-Eve by blood (all females in 2018 are blood-relatives, all
are ``sisters in Eve").
But from M-Eve only single female line follows into the past. And if
the Y-Adam lived 600 years before M-Eve was born, then he was walking
on the planet, with the female blood relative(s) of M-Eve.
Moreover, from Y-Adam the single male line could follow into the past. However,
due to human-monkey population becomes more and more small in numbers
(while our mind motion into past), is expected, that past-directed Y-line and past
directed M-line are converging to just one couple: original couple of
Adam and Eve.

And this is where you go badly wrong. At no point was there only a single couple.
There were always hundreds in the population of early humans (if not thousands).
There is no 'converging' to a single couple.

Think about them, are they looking in your imagination
as monkeys, alien biorobots, or a simple one-cell organisms? Oh my dear!
What are your problems with the Absolute Truth?!

I have no problem with truth. But what you offer isn't that.

I've explained why your 'paper' would not get past the editor of any respectable
journal. Sorry, but what you have written isn't interesting scientifically and is actually
pretty trivial. That is, except for the parts you get wrong, which are also trivially
wrong.