Italy's far right set to win election

[Estro Felino]

I don't think that is the point of stricter immigration laws.
It is about fear of being overwhelmed by 1000's of people from North Africa [and beyond], especially at a time of higher inflation, and general economic fears.

I don't agree with strict immigration per se, but it seems inevitable, unless the global financial system changes.

Because massive illegal immigration from Sub-Saharian Africa fomented by Soros' NGOs has prevented Italy from taking care of the legal migrants from Africa and Asia.
Because the quotas were all taken by illegal migrants.

The parliament gave Italian citizenship to Patrick Zaki
Zaki, la Camera approva la mozione per conferirgli la cittadinanza italiana

 

[RestlessSoul]

What do you think stricter immigration laws in Italy would look like under this new PM? Are there so many highly skilled immigrants moving there that Italy may end up being overwhelmed by thousands of them?

In the normal course of events, pragmatism rules; governments talk tough on immigration but recognise that economies rely on immigrants for all sorts of purposes. Italy, like a lot of European countries, has a declining birth rate; any serious government will recognise that immigrants work and pay taxes, and a certain level of immigration is required to sustain those tax revenues. The question is, has serious government been abandoned?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Because illegal immigration by Sub-Saharian Africa fomented by Soros' NGOs has prevented Italy from taking care of the legal migrants from Africa and Asia.
Because the quotas were all taken by illegal migrants.

My post wasn't talking about illegal immigrants, any conspiracy theories aside. I'm talking about skilled immigrants who apply for work abroad in accordance with their target country's domestic laws and become contributing, tax-paying residents upon relocating there.

 

[Estro Felino]

My post wasn't talking about illegal immigrants, any conspiracy theories aside. I'm talking about skilled immigrants who apply for work abroad in accordance with their target country's domestic laws and become contributing, tax-paying residents upon relocating there.

Which Meloni supports and protects.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Which Meloni supports and protects.

Does she? Her platform supports a temporary ban on Muslim immigrants without specifying whether they're skilled and legally applying or not. That doesn't seem very protective or supportive.

 

[Estro Felino]

Does she? Her platform supports a temporary ban on Muslim immigrants without specifying whether they're skilled and legally applying or not. That doesn't seem very protective or supportive.

Source?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Source?

Here:

Should there be a temporary ban on all immigration into Italy?

PARTY’S SUPPORT BASE Yes

Should Muslim immigrants be banned from entering the country until the government improves its ability to screen out potential terrorists?

PARTY’S SUPPORT BASE Yes

Brothers of Italy’s platform and policies on Immigration Issues

 

[muhammad_isa]

Does she? Her platform supports a temporary ban on Muslim immigrants without specifying whether they're skilled and legally applying or not. That doesn't seem very protective or supportive.

Good point.
Many people in Europe are concerned about the mass migration of Muslims .. they feel threatened by it. I can understand that.

Again, I say that it is all about the financial system.
While richer nations want to protect their interests economically, the poorer nations are suffering, and seeking better prosperity and security.

I'm sure the Pope is aware of this.

 

[Estro Felino]

Here:





Brothers of Italy’s platform and policies on Immigration Issues

That is fake news. There are so many legal migrants from the Arabic speaking world and discriminating their entrance on the basis of race or religion violates the article 3 of our Constitution.
That website is not reliable. I need an Italian source.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Good point.
Many people in Europe are concerned about the mass migration of Muslims .. they feel threatened by it. I can understand that.

Again, I say that it is all about the financial system.
While richer nations want to protect their interests economically, the poorer nations are suffering, and seeking better prosperity and security.

I understand concerns about mass immigration as well, and it is understandable that people in other European countries would be concerned after seeing the attempts of religious extremists in Sweden, France, and Germany, among others, to reshape communities or aggress on them in order to impose specific religious or cultural norms.

I don't, however, think that entirely banning immigration, including for skilled people, is a proportionate or reasonable reaction to these issues. Such blanket bans seem to me an attempt to exploit fearmongering above all else.

 

[Debater Slayer]

That is fake news. There are so many legal migrants from the Arabic speaking world and discriminating their entrance on the basis of race or religion violates the article 3 of our Constitution.
That website is not reliable. I need an Italian source.

I know there are many immigrants in Italy, but they entered prior to the election of this PM.

I don't have an Italian source, as I don't speak Italian. I definitely hope those policies are indeed "fake news," though.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Far-right leader Giorgia Meloni has won Italy's election, according to exit polls, and is on course to become the country's first female prime minister.

A Meloni-led Italy will alarm much of Europe with Russia at war in Ukraine.
..she leads a party rooted in a post-war movement that rose out of Benito Mussolini's fascists.

I wonder what the Pope makes of it all.

Duce, Duce, Duce.....!

 

[Estro Felino]

Again, I say that it is all about the financial system.
.

Exactly. It is all about the rotten financial system.
Which results in the victory of Populism, in Europe.

 

[RestlessSoul]

My post wasn't talking about illegal immigrants, any conspiracy theories aside. I'm talking about skilled immigrants who apply for work abroad in accordance with their target country's domestic laws and become contributing, tax-paying residents upon relocating there.

You’re English is pretty good. Actually, it’s excellent.

Immigration to the U.K. from Eastern Europe has declined rapidly since Brexit. Maybe you should think about coming here?

 

[Wandering Monk]

The ideologies bear enough similarities to cause some alarm. As far as I can see, that a part of history took place almost a century ago isn't the sole determinant of its relevance to the present.

Lenin's Great Purge and Mao's Great Leap Forward are also distant historical events, yet I don't believe we should neglect the lessons they offer us about the dangers of authoritarianism that may apply to the present day.

...Stalin's purge of his generals...

 

[Wandering Monk]

Italian elections were won by a woman born within a Suburbanite family, in a working class neighborhood, South Rome.
It is the emblem of the victory of the people against the lounge-loving, carefree elites, which include also Freemasons and other lodges, who look down on the populace and do not serve their interests.
Because Italians side with the people, and the people born within humble families, and not with the elites.
And the last PM was a Goldman Sachs banker called Draghi.
Well...Italians believe in melons, not in dragons.
Dragons are bad, melons are delicious, yellow and ripe.

Humble origins are meaningless. Many a dictator came from humble origins.

 

[Estro Felino]

Humble origins are meaningless. Many dictators came from humble origins.

In this case it would be a dictatress, right?

By the way, when the people choose a person, elect a person, is democracy. Not dictatorship.

 

[Debater Slayer]

You’re English is pretty good. Actually, it’s excellent.

Immigration to the U.K. from Eastern Europe has declined rapidly since Brexit. Maybe you should think about coming here?

It's a possibility, especially since the UK lists my field on its shortage occupation list. I just need more experience before applying.

Unless some British PM decides to ban immigration from the Middle East or something.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think you're in for an unpleasant surprise

Earlier this year she outlined her priorities in a raucous speech to Spain's far-right Vox party: "Yes to the natural family, no to the LGBT lobby, yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology... no to Islamist violence, yes to secure borders, no to mass migration... no to big international finance... no to the bureaucrats of Brussels!"

Yes. All things I approve of.
Well said, Giorgia.

Saddens me that you should say so, I'm afraid. So what do you think LGBT's should do? Hide (again)? Change (could you)? Die?

I can tell you from personal experience, it is not a very nice thing to have people revile you for nothing more than being what you cannot cease being.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

In this case it would be a dictatress, right?

By the way, when the people choose a person, elects a person, is democracy. Not dictatorship.

Only until the elected dictator changes the rules. See Hitler. And if Trump is ever elected again, you can refer to him, too.