Italy's far right set to win election

[Wandering Monk]

In this case it would be a dictatress, right?

By the way, when the people choose a person, elects a person, is democracy. Not dictatorship.

Hitler was elected Chancellor and quickly became a dictator. The Nazi party had been employing violence for many years prior to Hitler's election.

Dictatorships also conduct sham elections. History is replete with examples where the regimes' candidates get more than 90% of the vote by using threats to intimidate recalcitrant voters into voting for the regime's candidate.

 

[Estro Felino]

Saddens me that you should say so, I'm afraid. So what do you think LGBT's should do? Hide (again)? Change (could you)? Die?

I can tell you from personal experience, it is not a very nice thing to have people revile you for nothing more than being what you cannot cease being.

To begin with, there are LGBT rightists here.
Secondly, gay civil unions will not be touched, and cannot be touched because there is conspicuous jurisprudence about their juridically inviolable nature.

I think that speaking of LGBT is a way of escaping from the real economic issues Europe has.
That's what the Left does. That's why they lost.

 

[Estro Felino]

Hitler was elected Chancellor and quickly became a dictator. The Nazi party had been employing violence for many years prior to Hitler's election.

Dictatorships also conduct sham elections. History is replete with examples where the regimes' candidates get more than 90% of the vote by using threats to intimidate recalcitrant voters into voting for the regime's candidate.

In order to vote you need a valid ID and the electoral card. Both are indispensable. You cannot vote unless you have both, and affidavits are not doable.

 

[Rival]

If you mean regards marrying somebody from another nation, and expecting it to be your right for them to join you, then I would agree.

Otherwise, marriage has nothing to do with privilege.
It is not about wealth .. it is a law to promote social cohesion.

I don't mean privilege as in wealth. I mean privilege as in something you are not entitled to but get by other means.

 

[Rival]

Let me cite my own example on immigration: I'm estranged in my own culture and would, as the primary goal of my life at the moment, like to immigrate. Since my country documents religion on IDs, I'm listed as a Muslim and couldn't change it to anything else despite being staunchly against Islamism and violent fundamentalism. This means I would be banned from entering Italy under Meloni's policies or the US under Trump (at one point, at least).

Because I know immigration is not a right, I have spent many years working on acquiring multiple skills and credentials to make myself appealing to employers abroad, from fluent language and a university degree to in-demand skills such as programming and applied mathematics.

Do you agree with Meloni that I should be prevented from immigrating to Italy or, perhaps, other parts of the EU? Should I be considered a potential threat and be banned from entry even though I have worked for years to meet the requirements of other countries' immigration laws and be a contributor to their economy in case I get accepted?

No, I am a supporter of skilled immigration, not unskilled. Send us your best, not your worst.

 

[metis]

Far-right leader Giorgia Meloni has won Italy's election, according to exit polls, and is on course to become the country's first female prime minister.

A Meloni-led Italy will alarm much of Europe with Russia at war in Ukraine.
..she leads a party rooted in a post-war movement that rose out of Benito Mussolini's fascists.

I wonder what the Pope makes of it all.

If she does what other fascists have typically done, those who voted in this election will be the last whereas their vote will count. And this also would apply if Trump or a Trump-a-Like runs and wins here in 2024.

"Forgive them for they know not what they do."-- Jesus

 

[muhammad_isa]

Dictatorships also conduct sham elections. History is replete with examples where the regimes' candidates get more than 90% of the vote by using threats to intimidate recalcitrant voters into voting for the regime's candidate.

..like Putin, you mean?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

No, I am a supporter of skilled immigration, not unskilled. Send us your best, not your worst.

"VOTE NO to unskilled scum in MY country!"

Is that your idea of "just standard right wing social views"?​

 

[Lyndon]

Get ready for her to announce big tax breaks for corporations and the very wealthy in order to "stimulate" the economy

 

[Debater Slayer]

No, I am a supporter of skilled immigration, not unskilled. Send us your best, not your worst.

Should we judge potential immigrants as "best" or "worst" only based on their skills? Because I would find such a view to be a fertile ground for dehumanization and apathy toward humanitarian issues (e.g., asylum due to war or persecution).

 

[Lyndon]

Everyone knows that highly skilled people are superior and everyone else is just pond scum!!

 

[Rival]

Should we judge potential immigrants as "best" or "worst" only based on their skills? Because I would find such a view to be a fertile ground for dehumanization and apathy toward humanitarian issues (e.g., asylum due to war or persecution).

Refugees are a different category, but most of the immigrants who come here are low-skilled workers who work for little and, from the native pov, make it harder to natives to find work because they're not prepared to work for so little. It's an age old problem. They tend to form ghettoes and not want to nativise.

 

[metis]

There are two kinds of American Republicans. The Trumpians and the Sorosians.

Nope, as even Pubs are all over the board even though the former still has the lead, but there's indications that this may change by 2024. I think in large part the religious right here is going to have to decide which they really want to lead them, Jesus or Trump, and thus far it's been the latter.

Meloni is a Trumpian.

You and all other Italians have my sympathy. Good luck, because you're going to need it.

 

[Lyndon]

So melonis goal is massive tax cuts ending ultimately in a flat tax that screws the poor and benefits the rich, also a massive 50% cut in poverty assistance, let them eat cake is her motto!!

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...o-meloni-wants-italys-treasury-to-be-split-up

 

[Left Coast]

To begin with, there are LGBT rightists here.
Secondly, gay civil unions will not be touched, and cannot be touched because there is conspicuous jurisprudence about their juridically inviolable nature.

I think that speaking of LGBT is a way of escaping from the real economic issues Europe has.
That's what the Left does. That's why they lost.

Nothing is "juridically inviolable" if the law is changed.

What is Meloni's position on LGBT issues? How does she feel about trans people like you?

 

[Estro Felino]

So melonis goal is massive tax cuts ending ultimately in a flat tax that screws the poor and benefits the rich, also a massive 50% cut in poverty assistance, let them eat cake is her motto!!

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...o-meloni-wants-italys-treasury-to-be-split-up

I don't think taxing the wealthy solves the economic problems. It is nothing compared to what a State really needs. And what a State really needs is nationalizing the Central Bank, getting rid of the private bankers who have stolen the Seigniorage from the European nations.

 

[Estro Felino]

Nothing is "juridically inviolable" if the law is changed.

What is Meloni's position on LGBT issues? How does she feel about trans people like you?

She is absolutely inclusive.
And she has always pointed out that ours is a secular state, so she is against any kind of discrimination.
She has pointed out that she will never touch the gay marriage (actually it is civil unions, but the juridical structure is identical). It is just that gay couples cannot become parents naturally, so she doesn't think gay parenthood is a good idea.

 

[Yerda]

Anyway I can't believe the amount of people calling Meloni a fascist. It's not like she spent half her life in fascist movements.

No, I am a supporter of skilled immigration, not unskilled. Send us your best, not your worst.

Refugees are a different category, but most of the immigrants who come here are low-skilled workers who work for little and, from the native pov, make it harder to natives to find work because they're not prepared to work for so little. It's an age old problem. They tend to form ghettoes and not want to nativise.

These sounds like snippets from a BNP leaflet, 2000-2005.

 

[Left Coast]

She is absolutely inclusive.
And she has always pointed out that ours is a secular state, so she is against any kind of discrimination.
She has pointed out that she will never touch the gay marriage (actually it is civil unions, but the juridical structure is identical). It is just that gay couples cannot become parents naturally, so she doesn't think gay parenthood is a good idea.

LOL she's "absolutely inclusive," other than the part where she doesn't want gay people to be able to adopt children.

I can't. I gotta go to work.

 

[Rival]

Anyway I can't believe the amount of people calling Meloni a fascist. It's not like she spent half her life in fascist movements.



These sounds like snippets from a BNP leaflet, 2000-2005.

It's snippets from my real life experience and the experiences of those close to me.