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J.D Vance announces that he and Trump oppose the Pro Act, a bill that would strengthen the power of workers to organise collectively and bargain for..
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What is in the act?
Could be good or bad.
I see no details in the link.
Could be good or bad.
I see no details in the link.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Summary: H.R.842 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)All Information (Except Text)
ListenThere are 2 summaries for H.R.842.
Passed House (03/09/2021) Introduced in House (02/04/2021)
Bill summaries are authored by CRS.
Shown Here:
Passed House (03/09/2021)
Protecting the Right to Organize Act of 2021This bill expands various labor protections related to employees' rights to organize and collectively bargain in the workplace.
Among other things, it (1) revises the definitions of employee, supervisor, and employer to broaden the scope of individuals covered by the fair labor standards; (2) permits labor organizations to encourage participation of union members in strikes initiated by employees represented by a different labor organization (i.e., secondary strikes); and (3) prohibits employers from bringing claims against unions that conduct such secondary strikes.
The bill also allows collective bargaining agreements to require all employees represented by the bargaining unit to contribute fees to the labor organization for the cost of such representation, notwithstanding a state law to the contrary; and expands unfair labor practices to include prohibitions against replacement of, or discrimination against, workers who participate in strikes.
The bill makes it an unfair labor practice to require or coerce employees to attend employer meetings designed to discourage union membership and prohibits employers from entering into agreements with employees under which employees waive the right to pursue or a join collective or class-action litigation.
The bill further prohibits employers from taking adverse actions against an employee, including employees with management responsibilities, in response to that employee participating in protected activities related to the enforcement of the prohibitions against unfair labor practices (i.e., whistleblower protections). Such protected activities include
- providing information about a potential violation to an enforcement agency,
- participating in an enforcement proceeding,
- initiating a proceeding concerning an alleged violation or assisting in such a proceeding, or
- refusing to participate in an activity the employee reasonably believes is a violation of labor laws.
and:
What Is the PRO Act? | AFL-CIO
The PRO Act will empower America’s workers and make America’s economy work for working people.
It does appear to be an over-reach.Summary: H.R.842 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)All Information (Except Text)
Listen
There are 2 summaries for H.R.842.
Passed House (03/09/2021) Introduced in House (02/04/2021)
Bill summaries are authored by CRS.
Shown Here:
Passed House (03/09/2021)
Protecting the Right to Organize Act of 2021
This bill expands various labor protections related to employees' rights to organize and collectively bargain in the workplace.
Among other things, it (1) revises the definitions of employee, supervisor, and employer to broaden the scope of individuals covered by the fair labor standards; (2) permits labor organizations to encourage participation of union members in strikes initiated by employees represented by a different labor organization (i.e., secondary strikes); and (3) prohibits employers from bringing claims against unions that conduct such secondary strikes.
The bill also allows collective bargaining agreements to require all employees represented by the bargaining unit to contribute fees to the labor organization for the cost of such representation, notwithstanding a state law to the contrary; and expands unfair labor practices to include prohibitions against replacement of, or discrimination against, workers who participate in strikes.
The bill makes it an unfair labor practice to require or coerce employees to attend employer meetings designed to discourage union membership and prohibits employers from entering into agreements with employees under which employees waive the right to pursue or a join collective or class-action litigation.
The bill further prohibits employers from taking adverse actions against an employee, including employees with management responsibilities, in response to that employee participating in protected activities related to the enforcement of the prohibitions against unfair labor practices (i.e., whistleblower protections). Such protected activities include
Finally, the bill addresses the procedures for union representation elections, provides employees with the ability to vote in such elections remotely by telephone or the internet, modifies the protections against unfair labor practices that result in serious economic harm, and establishes penalties and permits injunctive relief against entities that fail to comply with National Labor Relations Board orders.
- providing information about a potential violation to an enforcement agency,
- participating in an enforcement proceeding,
- initiating a proceeding concerning an alleged violation or assisting in such a proceeding, or
- refusing to participate in an activity the employee reasonably believes is a violation of labor laws.
and:
What Is the PRO Act? | AFL-CIO
The PRO Act will empower America’s workers and make America’s economy work for working people.aflcio.org
A liberal “reach around” to union voters.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Will this law prevent jobs from going overseas if union jobs are at stake? If Government regulation cause businesses have to scale back and go belly up and harm the unions, can the law be voided by union negotiation and government leaders fined? Government interference in private sector can impact union jobs. Biden and Harris made an all electric car mandate. Since this already has harmed union workers, who build gasoline cars, so is the law voided? Or can big Government still pick favorite in spite of causing union job loss? This law is a DNC wish list but is not very practical or even fair, when Government is the problem.
This law has more to do with continuing the politics and incompetence in Government, connected to public sector unions and its evil spawn; DEI, DNC and Swamp. Trump wants to make the Government work better, for the people who pay taxes. Should there be Public sector Unions who have no accountability; nobody gets fired? Not a single person was fired after the two fail assassination attempts. Instead there is still lack of transparency. The facts would hurt Harris before election time, is being still hidden. This swamp is what the DNC is protecting, ahead of a Trump administration; swamp self defense.
The Government is not a business, and does not spend its own money. If the tax payers see high inflation and a higher cost of living, should they be allow to negotiate, and hold the Government and Unions to the same standard of loss, they created? The law does not take into account tax payers, and lower income non-union workers, who will also see higher taxes, debt and prices for the DNC union wishlist.
For example, tax payer representative, from all the States, who are not part of Government or Government Unions, could come to the table to start the negotiation. We can put all Government workers on Social Security, Medicare, and ObamaCare. Why do they get a better deal than those who pay their salary?
We can call it a tax payer union, with our own union bosses and representatives. Striking can be not paying taxes until tax time so the steady trickle is dried up until we get our way. This simple action could help sure up Social Security, Medicare, and ObamaCare for the tax payers, due to more bodies paying in, at the top rates, while also lowering Government over head. Government employee are supposed to be Public Servants and not Public Overlords who need pampering, while the peasant tax payers can eat leftovers, and have no direct say like in any union deal.
This above DNC centric union law would take away school choice and kill the private education industry. They give better pay for the most competent teachers and schools. It allows the teacher union to give poor service and no body can be fired, while taking away free enterprise competition and the cost savings and quality that free enterprise, brings. One can be penalize for not going union, due to being a valued commodity free agent, who by virtue of enhanced competence, can get more money.
This law has more to do with continuing the politics and incompetence in Government, connected to public sector unions and its evil spawn; DEI, DNC and Swamp. Trump wants to make the Government work better, for the people who pay taxes. Should there be Public sector Unions who have no accountability; nobody gets fired? Not a single person was fired after the two fail assassination attempts. Instead there is still lack of transparency. The facts would hurt Harris before election time, is being still hidden. This swamp is what the DNC is protecting, ahead of a Trump administration; swamp self defense.
The Government is not a business, and does not spend its own money. If the tax payers see high inflation and a higher cost of living, should they be allow to negotiate, and hold the Government and Unions to the same standard of loss, they created? The law does not take into account tax payers, and lower income non-union workers, who will also see higher taxes, debt and prices for the DNC union wishlist.
For example, tax payer representative, from all the States, who are not part of Government or Government Unions, could come to the table to start the negotiation. We can put all Government workers on Social Security, Medicare, and ObamaCare. Why do they get a better deal than those who pay their salary?
We can call it a tax payer union, with our own union bosses and representatives. Striking can be not paying taxes until tax time so the steady trickle is dried up until we get our way. This simple action could help sure up Social Security, Medicare, and ObamaCare for the tax payers, due to more bodies paying in, at the top rates, while also lowering Government over head. Government employee are supposed to be Public Servants and not Public Overlords who need pampering, while the peasant tax payers can eat leftovers, and have no direct say like in any union deal.
This above DNC centric union law would take away school choice and kill the private education industry. They give better pay for the most competent teachers and schools. It allows the teacher union to give poor service and no body can be fired, while taking away free enterprise competition and the cost savings and quality that free enterprise, brings. One can be penalize for not going union, due to being a valued commodity free agent, who by virtue of enhanced competence, can get more money.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Are you now or were you ever a member of the John Birch Society?
I don't understand exactly what's "too" far about it?
One it’s duplicative of laws we already have. Two, it would require union employees to make political contributions (even if they support a different party).
I see. I only read what was in post three (excluding the link). Ty
There has been a lot of union busting going on lately (Starbucks, Tesla, Amazon, Planned Parenthood ). That needs to be addressed somehow.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Exactly. It's good as it is right now. No need to add more on an employer to discourage doing business in the US even more as it is. We want employers to stay, not leave the country.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
I never heard of it, but after you said it, I looked it up.
The DNC is pushing for Socialism over Capitalism, Tyranny (law fare and censorship) over freedom, and Globalism over Americanism. John Birch was a selfless spiritual person of service, whose life ended due to hardened Atheist Chinese Communists who hated religion.
I am all for private sector unions. Shipping jobs overseas, or losing jobs due to excessive regulations also impact unions. That has the DNC written all over it, but that was not in the bill.
I do not see the need for public sector or Government unions, unless we work under the assumption that government is as evil, as they say businesses are, thereby needing unions. In that case, we need to overhaul that nasty Government and even regulate it. Do onto nasty Government as they wish to do onto nasty business. They both deserve it if we need unions for protection.
The fact of the matter is Government Unions are a money laundering scheme for Politicians. Unions bosses pay campaign donation for union jobs, benefits and protection, which in the case Government, get paid for by the tax payers, who do not benefit by that deal, and do not have no say. I would prefer a tax payer union, at the negotiation table, to balance out the nasty and crooked politicians, to make sure the all tax payers are not getting screwed for one party political gain. Union should vote as to how the union bosses give donations.
The Teamster Union Bosses gave 95% of the donation money to Democrats and Harris for this cycle. The rank and file was never asked, but they endorse Trump who will get little money; rigged. There is disconnect between politicians/ union leaders versus rank and file union members/ tax payers. There are too many government union jobs and bloated government; golden parachutes and payouts.
I believe that all Government jobs should have term limits. What this would do is allow more people to share the opportunity to work for Government. I liked working for Government; DOE, as a Development Engineer, due to the amazing facilities and plenty of funny money to spend on my ideas and make them come to life.
Say we had seven year terms. This means 7 times as many people have the option to serve their government. With that few years employees still have that spirit. This could work like a promotion assembly line where when the year 7 people need to leave, year 6 people, take over their jobs and positions; promotion, and all years below are bumped up one, to make room at the bottom for the freshmen group. There should be no need for unions due to the annual bump up and yearly supply of fresh meat. This is a more nimble government.