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Jack and Jill clilmbing the hill to nowhere

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member


Jack and Jill climbing the hill to nowhere

Jack and Jill went up the hill to get a hit on Opioids
Jack OD and broke his crown,
and Jill tumbled soon after.

About two years ago I met Jack and his wife Jill (yes the names have been made up, but the story is real). They seemed like a nice young couple. Quiet and well-mannered and told me that they were looking for employment and needed a place to stay. At that time the retreat house was not too busy, so they stayed for a week. The first few days were ok, but on the fourth day of their visit, when I went in to make morning coffee, the dining room was a mess. They both denied having anything to do with it, and with such a sincere look that I believed them with some reservations. Then that weekend, a number of guests came up and told me that things were stolen from their room. It all pointed to the couple. It was a nightmare.

When Jack went outside for a smoke, I unlocked his door and found some stolen items there. When I told the wife, she started crying and seemed truly distraught that her husband would do such a thing. Then soon after, a women came up and told me that her smartphone was lifted. She laid it on a chair outside of her room and turned her back for a minute, and when she turned around the phone was gone. Since the husband was outside, I knew it had to be her.

A policewoman came to see what was going on. Well, it turned out that both of them were stealing. We recovered all the stolen items and they were carted off to jail. Over the past two years, both have tried to get me to help them after they got out of jail. I refused. It was a very sad case. Jack would text me (that was all he could afford on his phone) over and over again, I guess trying to wear me down, but in the end, he finally stopped.

He called me last week wanting help. Telling me that he needed new clothes for a job interview, and goodwill had good prices. He wanted me to give him the money, which I am sure he wanted for drugs. So I said no. It was hard.

He came by today to try to get me to give him some money. He also started talking about mind control, the NSA, and how the man who is allowing him to live in his home, is also working for the NSA. They wanted to recruit him for 'something'. I tried to get him to go find help for the problem, but he refused. So he left, without any finical help from me, and I felt down about it, yet I knew that I had made the right decision. I have learned to listen to my gut, instead of my heart in some situations. The gut gives me a gentle ‘no’, while my heart wants to make everything alright, and take care of those who come here. Sort of a god-complex I believe.

He seems to be slipping into mental illness, and I have no doubt that the drugs have something to do with it. Yes, he broke his crown. He is separated from his wife, and they both have given their kids to Jill’s mother, and father, to take care of. Tragic all the way around, such a waste of two lives.

We are starting to have people come in on our property and rob cars, rare, but in the past, it never happened. I guess we may have to have cameras put in. I have made sure that all of the doors here in the retreat house are locked at night, and during the day, we still keep it locked. If someone wants to come in, they have to knock. On check-in days, the doors are open, but only for a few hours. The events are rare, but we now know that we have to on the alert. It seems to be working, we have had no further incidents in the retreat house.

This is nationwide I hear. I have a nephew in prison because he is addicted to drugs. Not a violent man at all, in fact very gentle, yet, he can’t get this monkey off of his back. He gets out, and he is soon back in prison. I have heard of Flint, Michigan, I wonder if the whole country or wide areas of it will become like that poor town, which has been devastated by the opioid problem.

With all the spam calls and emails, I am beginning to struggle with trust. A good portion of the population seems out to take money from whomever they can lie, trick, or manipulate. I am trying not to make my heart hard, for when I have to turn someone down, even if I know I am right, there is some kind of wound to my humanity. Becoming cynical will protect me from that, but at what price?

It is times like these when I begin to understand my need for grace, to continue to care for others and love them, and to pray for them. Also, I need God's grace to help me learn what good, holy, boundaries are. Now when someone comes into the retreat house for help, I have to fight down the walls that want to go up.

Pray for me, anyone who reads this—Br.MD
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Yeah, i know what you mean to a certain extent.

I live in the ****iest place of the city.

I learned you never carry change or buy anything from anyone unless it is at a store. Even then, you don't let anyone see you got more than 20 bucks on you, or you might get choked out in broad daylight and mugged, like what happened to a friend of mine nearby where I live.

I have a guy who invites himself into my place at 2:00 am, asks for money, food and stuff.

I tried to be nice to him, but am starting to get p*ssed and establishing boundaries.

He doesn't have basic consideration of what is the appropriate way to treat others.

When you tell him, "no" he refuses to take no for an answer and keeps saying, "come on"!

I'm sick of it!

I ask self, "what would Jesus do"?

Well, who knows, but I've learned you be kind to the people around here and you become their target to manipulate, so you learn to become an ***hole, for the purpose of self-preservation!
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think with all the best intentions once exhausted proper, it just gets to a point where all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

Life is a hard taskmaster when it comes to reaching out a hand and refraining from reaching out.

If I was a Christian I'd probably would meditate on Ecclesiastics. To everything there is a season.....
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
Yeah, i know what you mean to a certain extent.

I live in the ****iest place of the city.

I learned you never carry change or buy anything from anyone unless it is at a store. Even then, you don't let anyone see you got more than 20 bucks on you, or you might get choked out in broad daylight and mugged, like what happened to a friend of mine nearby where I live.

I have a guy who invites himself into my place at 2:00 am, asks for money, food and stuff.

I tried to be nice to him, but am starting to get p*ssed and establishing boundaries.

He doesn't have basic consideration of what is the appropriate way to treat others.

When you tell him, "no" he refuses to take no for an answer and keeps saying, "come on"!

I'm sick of it!

I ask self, "what would Jesus do"?

Well, who knows, but I've learned you be kind to the people around here and you become their target to manipulate, so you learn to become an ***hole, for the purpose of self-preservation!
My goodness, you know much better than I ever could. How does he get in your place? No Locks. Prayers for you my friend. Thanks for the comment.

peace
mark
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
I think with all the best intentions once exhausted proper, it just gets to a point where all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

Life is a hard taskmaster when it comes to reaching out a hand and refraining from reaching out.

If I was a Christian I'd probably would meditate on Ecclesiastics. To everything there is a season.....
Ecclesiastics., one of my favorites in the OT. Yes many situations are simply impossible.

peace
mark
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
That's cool you have a retreat place!

Sounds like you are somebody in this world! :thumbsup:
No more than anyone else, before God we are all beloved. It is a nice place to be, a good life, but like anywhere else, there is no escape for existence and all the problems, both interior and exterior that go with it all.
peace
mark
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
My goodness, you know much better than I ever could. How does he get in your place? No Locks. Prayers for you my friend. Thanks for the comment.

peace
mark
I've been locking my door because of him, but sometimes forget, and he keeps knocking!:mad:
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
13 jul 2018 stvdv 017 35
Becoming cynical will protect me from that, but at what price?

Just a few things I thought of reading your text. Maybe there is 1 helpful to you. And I will do a prayer also.
[For me also difficult seeing so much injustice and violence and not judging these]

Better not become cynical, that really is not good IMO [being realistic is okay]
"Common Sense before Divine Sense" [gut feeling not guilt feeling in heart]
Someone without gratitude needs different help IMO.

It is known that children need a strict regiment especially naughty ones
The ones you describe need "super strict regiment" IMO
So you solve your dilemma "You help them but on your terms"

With normal people it is good to listen to what they need
With the ones you describe you need to listen to God who tells you what they need
Do not listen to what they "demand" [keyword to know they are not grateful IMO]

Of course they are also "Children of God". They need extra love, not money
"We can not always oblige, but we can always speak obligingly"
This was a major eyeopener a very wise man told me once

May God Bless us All
 
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Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
13 jul 2018 stvdv 017 35


Just a few things I thought of reading your text. Maybe there is 1 helpful to you. And I will do a prayer also.
[For me also difficult seeing so much injustice and violence and not judging these]

Better not become cynical, that really is not good IMO [being realistic is okay]
"Common Sense before Divine Sense" [gut feeling not guilt feeling in heart]
Someone without gratitude needs different help IMO.

It is known that children need a strict regiment especially naughty ones
The ones you describe need "super strict regiment" IMO
So you solve your dilemma "You help them but on your terms"

With normal people it is good to listen to what they need
With the ones you describe you need to listen to God who tells you what they need
Do not listen to what they "demand" [keyword to know they are not grateful IMO]

Of course they are also "Children of God". They need extra love, not money
"We can not always oblige, but we can always speak obligingly"
This was a major eyeopener a very wise man told me once

May God Bless us All
Thank you, this was a good point that you made:

With normal people it is good to listen to what they need
With the ones you describe you need to listen to God who tells you what they need
Do not listen to what they "demand" [keyword to know they are not grateful IMO]


Also this one:

Of course they are also "Children of God". They need extra love, not money
"We can not always oblige, but we can always speak obligingly"
This was a major eyeopener a very wise man told me once

Thank you again.

Peace

Mark
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member

Jack and Jill climbing the hill to nowhere

Jack and Jill went up the hill to get a hit on Opioids
Jack OD and broke his crown,
and Jill tumbled soon after.

About two years ago I met Jack and his wife Jill (yes the names have been made up, but the story is real). They seemed like a nice young couple. Quiet and well-mannered and told me that they were looking for employment and needed a place to stay. At that time the retreat house was not too busy, so they stayed for a week. The first few days were ok, but on the fourth day of their visit, when I went in to make morning coffee, the dining room was a mess. They both denied having anything to do with it, and with such a sincere look that I believed them with some reservations. Then that weekend, a number of guests came up and told me that things were stolen from their room. It all pointed to the couple. It was a nightmare.

When Jack went outside for a smoke, I unlocked his door and found some stolen items there. When I told the wife, she started crying and seemed truly distraught that her husband would do such a thing. Then soon after, a women came up and told me that her smartphone was lifted. She laid it on a chair outside of her room and turned her back for a minute, and when she turned around the phone was gone. Since the husband was outside, I knew it had to be her.

A policewoman came to see what was going on. Well, it turned out that both of them were stealing. We recovered all the stolen items and they were carted off to jail. Over the past two years, both have tried to get me to help them after they got out of jail. I refused. It was a very sad case. Jack would text me (that was all he could afford on his phone) over and over again, I guess trying to wear me down, but in the end, he finally stopped.

He called me last week wanting help. Telling me that he needed new clothes for a job interview, and goodwill had good prices. He wanted me to give him the money, which I am sure he wanted for drugs. So I said no. It was hard.

He came by today to try to get me to give him some money. He also started talking about mind control, the NSA, and how the man who is allowing him to live in his home, is also working for the NSA. They wanted to recruit him for 'something'. I tried to get him to go find help for the problem, but he refused. So he left, without any finical help from me, and I felt down about it, yet I knew that I had made the right decision. I have learned to listen to my gut, instead of my heart in some situations. The gut gives me a gentle ‘no’, while my heart wants to make everything alright, and take care of those who come here. Sort of a god-complex I believe.

He seems to be slipping into mental illness, and I have no doubt that the drugs have something to do with it. Yes, he broke his crown. He is separated from his wife, and they both have given their kids to Jill’s mother, and father, to take care of. Tragic all the way around, such a waste of two lives.

We are starting to have people come in on our property and rob cars, rare, but in the past, it never happened. I guess we may have to have cameras put in. I have made sure that all of the doors here in the retreat house are locked at night, and during the day, we still keep it locked. If someone wants to come in, they have to knock. On check-in days, the doors are open, but only for a few hours. The events are rare, but we now know that we have to on the alert. It seems to be working, we have had no further incidents in the retreat house.

This is nationwide I hear. I have a nephew in prison because he is addicted to drugs. Not a violent man at all, in fact very gentle, yet, he can’t get this monkey off of his back. He gets out, and he is soon back in prison. I have heard of Flint, Michigan, I wonder if the whole country or wide areas of it will become like that poor town, which has been devastated by the opioid problem.

With all the spam calls and emails, I am beginning to struggle with trust. A good portion of the population seems out to take money from whomever they can lie, trick, or manipulate. I am trying not to make my heart hard, for when I have to turn someone down, even if I know I am right, there is some kind of wound to my humanity. Becoming cynical will protect me from that, but at what price?

It is times like these when I begin to understand my need for grace, to continue to care for others and love them, and to pray for them. Also, I need God's grace to help me learn what good, holy, boundaries are. Now when someone comes into the retreat house for help, I have to fight down the walls that want to go up.

Pray for me, anyone who reads this—Br.MD
Perhaps Jack and Jill's mother's should have gotten abortions?

It seems the hill they are climbing just leads to hell, and their existence is harming others and themselves? :shrug:
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
Perhaps Jack and Jill's mother's should have gotten abortions?

It seems the hill they are climbing just leads to hell, and their existence is harming others and themselves? :shrug:
There is always hope, many do find their way, and God mercy is infinite......

Peace
Mark
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Perhaps Jack and Jill's mother's should have gotten abortions?

It seems the hill they are climbing just leads to hell, and their existence is harming others and themselves? :shrug:
Also,
To be fair, the same applies to me. I was a druggie and alcoholic, and if my mother aborted me, it would have saved myself and others much grief and saved an enormous amount of tax-payers dollars.

However, unlike Jack and Jill, I didn't go around stealing from people. People who steal like you describe Jack and Jill usually don't get caught for 99% of their crimes.

They would be better off not existing imho, in view of their own misery, and the grief they cause others.
 
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