Jehovah

[savagewind]

You are indeed right. I stand corrected. (But why don't you believe Yeshu(a)?)

LOL. I already answered it, I guess. Cool! Yeshu is fine.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet; ..."

 

[Pegg]

I would go with what Hebrew scholars have to say about it over anyone else. Sucks for you, though, because you'd have to change the name of your religious organization. Oops.

wasnt' it hebrew scholars who lost the pronunciation in the first place?

 

[Pegg]

I think a human name is different from Gods name, if God wants his name to be feared, to not be said in vain, and not be desecrated, then it's easy to understand why Jews would want to protect it. That is their way of keeping it holy.

but the bible writers made Gods name known and used it.... that shows that he doesnt want his name hidden from the world. I think the priests and scribes who chose to hide the name did a grave injustice in deciding that Gods name should not be known.

The watchtower have a history of mistakes do you think God is happy that his "name" was associated with those falsehoods?

mistakes are one thing, falsehood is another.

The WT have never deliberately created religious lies like many churches do today....ie telling people they are going to a hellish place of torment if they dont repent or that God took their child from them because he wanted another angel in heaven.

The WT has always had the goal of publishing biblical truths.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

but the bible writers made Gods name known and used it.... that shows that he doesnt want his name hidden from the world.

Another glorious non sequitur. :yes:

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I would go with what Hebrew scholars have to say about it over anyone else.

wasnt' it hebrew scholars who lost the pronunciation in the first place?

I think he meant scholars of Hebrew (i.e., Hebraists). But don't let that get in the way of your persistent anti-Hebrew rant.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think he meant scholars of Hebrew (i.e., Hebraists). But don't let that get in the way of your persistent anti-Hebrew rant.

Exactly. She's talking about long-dead priests and scribes. Although who knows what really happened with the Tetragrammaton.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Exactly. She's talking about long-dead priests and scribes. Although who knows what really happened with the Tetragrammaton.

It doesn't really matter as long as God ends up with a good English name -- a bit like calling Chava 'Eve'. No respect.

 

[Pegg]

I think he meant scholars of Hebrew (i.e., Hebraists). But don't let that get in the way of your persistent anti-Hebrew rant.

ok well maybe it was the religious system that lost the pronunciation...the system of preventing knowledge of the name and its pronunciation from being known.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It doesn't really matter as long as God ends up with a good English name -- a bit like calling Chava 'Eve'. No respect.

Lol. That seems to be her only reason for clinging to it. Oh, and that it's probably the intellectual property of the Watchtower by now.

 

[JayJayDee]

"The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible says: “There is considerable evidence that in the postexilic period many foreigners were attracted to the religion of the Jews.” However, by the first century C.E., a superstition about God’s name had developed. Eventually, not only did the Jewish nation stop using God’s name openly but some even forbade pronouncing it at all. Its correct pronunciation was thus lost—or was it?

According to George Buchanan, professor emeritus at Wesley Theological Seminary, Washington, D.C., U.S.A., the answer is yes. Professor Buchanan explains: “In ancient times, parents often named their children after their deities. That means that they would have pronounced their children’s names the way the deity’s name was pronounced. The Tetragrammaton was used in people’s names, and they always used the middle vowel.”

Consider a few examples of proper names found in the Bible that include a shortened form of God’s name. Jonathan, which appears as Yoh·na·than′ or Yehoh·na·than′ in the Hebrew Bible, means “Yaho or Yahowah has given,” says Professor Buchanan. The prophet Elijah’s name is ’E·li·yah′ or ’E·li·ya′hu in Hebrew. According to Professor Buchanan, the name means: “My God is Yahoo or Yahoo-wah.” Similarly, the Hebrew name for Jehoshaphat is Yehoh-sha·phat′, meaning “Yaho has judged.”

A two-syllable pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton as “Yahweh” would not allow for the o vowel sound to exist as part of God’s name. But in the dozens of Biblical names that incorporate the divine name, this middle vowel sound appears in both the original and the shortened forms, as in Jehonathan and Jonathan. Thus, Professor Buchanan says regarding the divine name: “In no case is the vowel oo or oh omitted. The word was sometimes abbreviated as ‘Ya,’ but never as ‘Ya-weh.’ . . . When the Tetragrammaton was pronounced in one syllable it was ‘Yah’ or ‘Yo.’ When it was pronounced in three syllables it would have been ‘Yahowah’ or ‘Yahoowah.’ If it was ever abbreviated to two syllables it would have been ‘Yaho.’”—Biblical Archaeology Review.

These comments help us understand the statement made by 19th-century Hebrew scholar Gesenius in his Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures: “Those who consider that יְהוָֹה [Ye-ho-wah] was the actual pronunciation [of God’s name] are not altogether without ground on which to defend their opinion. In this way can the abbreviated syllables יְהוֹ [Ye-ho] and יוֹ [Yo], with which many proper names begin, be more satisfactorily explained.”

Nevertheless, in the introduction to his translation of The Five Books of Moses, Everett Fox points out: “Both old and new attempts to recover the ‘correct’ pronunciation of the Hebrew name [of God] have not succeeded; neither the sometimes-heard ‘Jehovah’ nor the standard scholarly ‘Yahweh’ can be conclusively proven.”

No doubt the scholarly debate will continue. Jews stopped pronouncing the name of the true God before the Masoretes developed the system of vowel pointing. Thus, there is no definitive way to prove which vowels accompanied the consonants YHWH (יהו&#1492. Yet, the very names of Biblical figures—the correct pronunciation of which was never lost—provide a tangible clue to the ancient pronunciation of God’s name. On this account, at least some scholars agree that the pronunciation “Jehovah” is not so “monstrous” after all." (excerpt 2008 WT article)

 

[savagewind]

"The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible says: “There is considerable evidence that in the postexilic period many foreigners were attracted to the religion of the Jews.” However, by the first century C.E., a superstition about God’s name had developed. Eventually, not only did the Jewish nation stop using God’s name openly but some even forbade pronouncing it at all. Its correct pronunciation was thus lost

I think there are no words left that are pronounced the same way they were in the first century. Are there?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

mistakes are one thing, falsehood is another.

The WT have never deliberately created religious lies like many churches do today....ie telling people they are going to a hellish place of torment if they dont repent or that God took their child from them because he wanted another angel in heaven.

The WT has always had the goal of publishing biblical truths.

If it is incorrect it is a falsehood! Do you think God is happy for his "name" to being associated with those falsehoods? Look at up old watchtower publications and tell me if God is happy with watchtower teachings that black people are not equal to white people, that if a woman doesn't scream while she is being raped she has committed fornication?

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

ok well maybe it was the religious system that lost the pronunciation...the system of preventing knowledge of the name and its pronunciation from being known.

Why would Gentiles need to know the correct pronounciation of Gods name? Why didn't Jesus make known that correct pronunciation of God name, after all he saw the father?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Why didn't Jesus make known that correct pronunciation of God name, after all he saw the father?

And why does the JW refer to the guy as "Jesus"? Not using his real name seems so disrespectful.

 

[Awoon]

Knowing a God's name gives the knower access to that God. Then that person can set up religion and laws, without sharing the name. Of course only those who believe the knower and his/her secret name for the God have to follow that religion and laws.

 

[Poeticus]

Look at up old watchtower publications and tell me if God is happy with watchtower teachings that black people are not equal to white people, that if a woman doesn't scream while she is being raped she has committed fornication?

Is that true????

 

[Pegg]

Why would Gentiles need to know the correct pronounciation of Gods name? Why didn't Jesus make known that correct pronunciation of God name, after all he saw the father?

Isaiah 54:5*“For your Grand Maker is your husbandly owner, Jehovah of armies being his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser. The God of the whole earth he will be called

Romans 3:29 Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also of people of the nations? Yes, of people of the nations also


I believe Jesus did use and say Gods name. There is evidence that he did for he said "I have made your name known"
There is no way he would have complied with the jewish superstition of not pronouncing the name.

The name Jehovah is used by the following bible translators:

The New English Bible: The name Jehovah appears at Exodus 3:15; 6:3

King James Version: The name Jehovah is found at Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4. See also Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; Judges 6:24.

American Standard Version: The name Jehovah is used consistently in the Hebrew Scriptures in this translation, beginning with Genesis 2:4

The Catholic Encyclopedia [1913, Vol. VIII, p. 329] states: “Jehovah, the proper name of God in the Old Testament; hence the Jews called it the name by excellence, the great name, the only name.”)

The Bible in Living English, S. T. Byington: The name Jehovah is used throughout the Hebrew Scriptures

Darby: The name Jehovah appears throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, also in many footnotes on Christian Greek Scripture texts, beginning with Matthew 1:20.

The Emphatic Diaglott, Benjamin Wilson: The name Jehovah is found at Matthew 21:9 and in 17 other places in this translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.

The Holy Bible translated by Robert Young: The name Jehovah is found throughout the Hebrew Scriptures in this literal translation.

 

[Pegg]

Is that true????

I'd like to see those references too

 

[Pegg]

And why does the JW refer to the guy as "Jesus"? Not using his real name seems so disrespectful.

as has been said a billion times, but for some reason it keeps flying over the heads of many, we speak english!

Y transliterates to a J


We didnt create the rules of translation and transliteration....we just follow them