Jehovah's Witness cartoon suggests to Children that magic-themed toys make Jehovah 'sad'

[Trailblazer]

To be honest, I don't see many differences that crop up between Baha'is, Jews, and Muslims- in the sense you're all strict monotheists. Given theological matters concerning God, I mean.

No, there is really no difference in how we view God, but we differ some in how we view Prophets (Messengers of God).

Jews believe that Moses was the greatest and last Prophet, Muslims believe Muhammad was the last Prophet, but they also believe in Moses and Jesus, and Baha'is believe in Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and the Bab and Baha'ullah, and that there will be more Prophets in the future, throughout all eternity... We also believe that there were Prophets before Moses and even before Adam, ever since man came into being..

 

[oldbadger]

Are you... ?
Sometimes I hate the internet and I can't tell what actually is sarcasm at times.

Whilst posted with just some humour, which you seem to have missed, it does point out that nearly every post which criticised the JW film clearly ignored the fact that the kid wanted to play with a MAGIC KILLER!

Look..... if you're happy about very young kids playing at killing stuff then fine, but most Creches, Kindergartens, sensible parents, would do their best to remove this toy and get rid of of it when possible.

Can't you see that?

 

[SomeRandom]

Whilst posted with just some humour, which you seem to have missed, it does point out that nearly every post which criticised the JW film clearly ignored the fact that the kid wanted to play with a MAGIC KILLER!

Look..... if you're happy about very young kids playing at killing stuff then fine, but most Creches, Kindergartens, sensible parents, would do their best to remove this toy and get rid of of it when possible.

Can't you see that?

If it's a magic killer then why are the JWs against it? Surely killing magic is godly

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Whilst posted with just some humour, which you seem to have missed, it does point out that nearly every post which criticised the JW film clearly ignored the fact that the kid wanted to play with a MAGIC KILLER!

Look..... if you're happy about very young kids playing at killing stuff then fine, but most Creches, Kindergartens, sensible parents, would do their best to remove this toy and get rid of of it when possible.

Can't you see that?

It said warrior wizard in the film. And I actually have a pretty healthy respect for the ability of kids to seperate out imagination from real life. There's no correlation in any study I'm aware of with kids playing with green army men or any other cultural warrior analogue and increased violence when they get older. That seems to be a concern of helicopter parents more than most anyone else.

Incidentally, my favorite warrior wizard, who I read about at that age, was Gandalf.

 

[Trailblazer]

Baha'is believe in godmen, though. Their "messangers" are halfway between God and human. It muddles things, at the very least. Jews and Muslims have no such teachings.

I do not know what would make these Messengers capable of receiving messages from an Almighty God unless they were more than ordinary men. If ordinary men could receive messages from God, why would we even need Messengers? We could all just get our own messages from God.

That is one reason it makes sense to me that they are more than ordinary men. Also, because they had qualities of both God and man they could mediate between God and man.

 

[oldbadger]

If it's a magic killer then why are the JWs against it? Surely killing magic is godly

Ha ha!
If the little brat meant that, then 'fine'.
But isn't it interesting that the toy would be unacceptable to a high % of parents today because it is for playing at killing, and yet most members have chosen to ignore that in self-righteous criticism of JWs who don't like the damn thing for two reasons?

That is just strange...............

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Ha ha!
If the little brat meant that, then 'fine'.
But isn't it interesting that the toy would be unacceptable to a high % of parents today because it is for playing at killing, and yet most members have chosen to ignore that in self-righteous criticism of JWs who don't like the damn thing for two reasons?

That is just strange...............

What high percentage of parents? One of the most internationally best selling books of all time, with worldwide acclaim and merchendized toys through the roof, is about a good wizard who fought and killed an evil wizard.

And the only real protest against it was by the same sort of super fundamentalist Christians pretty much laughed off by everyone else.

 

[oldbadger]

It said warrior wizard in the film. And I actually have a pretty healthy respect for the ability of kids to seperate out imagination from real life.

The little boy introduced the toy as a MAGIC KILLER!

If you trust infants to separate imagined stuff from real life, can they learn about Adam and Eve, and 6-day creation at school..... ok?

There's no correlation in any study I'm aware of with kids playing with green army men or any other cultural warrior analogue and increased violence when they get older. That seems to be a concern of helicopter parents more than most anyone else.

Really?
Infant education and development must have moved forward somewhat since you last had a look, maybe?

Incidentally, my favorite warrior wizard, who I read about at that age, was Gandalf.

I never did watch the Harry Potter films. Is there much killing/murder in them?[/QUOTE]

 

[oldbadger]

And the only real protest against it was by the same sort of super fundamentalist Christians pretty much laughed off by everyone else.

QUESTIONS!
1. How old is the little infant in the JW film?
2. What age limitation did the film censors apply to the Harry Potter films?

I believe that one, some or all were given a 12A rating?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Any version is fine... Jesus said, "that one was a manslayer....; when he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar...."
No, these words are referencing a real person, not some allegory.

And? "Real person" or not, Jesus was talking about Satan there. You only get "devil" because the Greek word for "accuser, slanderer" was used instead of the Hebrew word for the same; satan.

And the book of Job reveals him as an actual person....as the angels (real beings) take their station before Jehovah, Satan takes his station.

Ah, Job. So often misunderstood and misrepresented. To quote myself from elsewhere:

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.” Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.” “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.” The LORD said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.” Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD. -Job 1:6-12

Alright, so here we see Satan roaming around in Heaven. But wait, I thought the "devil" was imprisoned in "Hell," and banished from Heaven" Why would he be allowed there? Some might say, 'Oh, but he has body-guards!' Why do the Divine need protection? With a blink of his eye, the Hebrew god could wipe Satan from existence. No, Satan is there with the angels as one of them. They are the council, the sons of god. Satan is named because he is the head of that council, and is the most important. He is the Prosecutor.

Next, we see Yahweh ask the council where they have been, for no purpose other than narrative information to the reader. Here he asks Satan, as chief of the council, but his question is directed to the council as a whole body. Satan, in a likewise manner, answers for the group. Then, Yahweh boasts to Satan (and the council,) his servant Job, and what a great man he is. The council will have already known this, and yet again this serves only as narrative information. Satan then offers the possibility that Job might not be so great.

Taking this into consideration, Yahweh then gives Satan, as the Prosecutor, leave to test Job's faith. Notice that Satan could not act on this testing until given the express command of Yahweh? He lacks the authority to act. Ergo all "Satan's actions" are in fact Yahweh's, as they come from his direct command.

It is truly amazing....he's mankind's greatest Enemy, and many don't even think he is real!

Spare us your boogy-tales of fear-mongering.

He has people thinking that their dead loved ones are "spirits" who haunt them, or otherwise interact with them, when in reality it's Satan and his demons impostering these ones (actually the "dead know nothing", Ecclesiastes 9:5, compare Psalms 146:3-4 and John 11:11-14).

Well, the Eddur disagree in many places. What makes your book any more authoritarian?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The little boy introduced the toy as a MAGIC KILLER!

No he didn't. He said, exact quoting, "Look it's Sparlock the warrior wizard."

infants

That's not an infant. He's clearly in the 7-10 year old range. As was the kid who voiced him.

can they learn about Adam and Eve, and 6-day creation at school..... ok?

Sure so long as they also learn with equal time about Amenominakanushi's birth of the world. Or Ymir and the world tree. Or Purusha and the mundane egg. Or all the other creation stories of world religions giving no particular special attention to one. But that's another subject for another thread.

Infant education and development must have moved forward somewhat since you last had a look, maybe?

You tell me. Can you substantiate this concern at all?

I never did watch the Harry Potter films. Is there much killing/murder in them

Gandalf isn't from Harry potter, he's from The Hobbit and subsequent lord of the rings stories. Written by a Christian no less.
But yes. The story of Harry Potter begins with the murder of his parents and ends with him killing the parents murderer. The books had no advisory rating and was read by pretty much everyone. The first movie is PG, recommended for 8 and above.

 

[oldbadger]

No he didn't. He said, exact quoting, "Look it's Sparlock the warrior wizard."

He also said at 0.30 in the film 'Sparlock, Magic Killer'!

That's not an infant. He's clearly in the 7-10 year old range. As was the kid who voiced him.

He is shorter than the table!
He's 4, I reckon.
7-10, huh? Still under 12A, I notice.
You can do better than that........ tell me he's a short 17yrs..... I might believe you.... who knows?

Sure so long as they also learn with equal time about Amenominakanushi's birth of the world. Or Ymir and the world tree. Or Purusha and the mundane egg. Or all the other creation stories of world religions giving no particular special attention to one. But that's another subject for another thread.

Well then, let's save it for that other thread.

You tell me. Can you substantiate this concern at all?

You go argue with the Board of Film Censors!

Gandalf isn't from Harry potter, he's from The Hobbit and subsequent lord of the rings stories. Written by a Christian no less.

See? I told you I never watched HP.......... see how honest I am?

 

[oldbadger]

You tell me. Can you substantiate this concern at all?

Don't listen to me............................
Go search out the specialists:

JWs 5 .................... Criotics Nil
Away win for the JWs.

Toys That Affect Children's Behavior - Living The Bump
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8 Jan 2018 - With recent gun violence in the U.S., one of the questions that always comes up is whether violent media promotes violent or aggressive behavior, ... Vanessa LoBue, Ph.D. The Baby Scientist ... After watching the video, the children were brought into a playroom with the same doll and lots of other toys.
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Violent Media and Aggressive Behavior in Children
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Although the issue is often presented as controversial in the media, we have pretty good evidence that exposure to violent media does make children more aggressive. And we’ve known it for decades. In one of the most well-known studies on this topic (published all the way back in the 1960s), researchers showed preschoolers a video of an adult playing with an inflatable doll. In the video, the children watched as the adult sat on the doll, punched it in the nose, hit the doll on the head with a mallet, and kicked it repeatedly. After watching the video, the children were brought into a playroom with the same doll and lots of other toys. As predicted, the kids who watched the aggressive video imitated what they saw—they beat the doll with a mallet, and they punched and kicked it. What was most surprising was that the children found new and creative ways to beat up the doll, and they played more aggressively with the other toys in the room as well. In other words, children didn’t just imitate the aggressive behaviors they saw; seeing aggressive behaviors caused these kids to play more aggressively in general (Bandura, Ross, & Ross, 1963).

Very recent research suggests that these effects can become particularly problematic when guns are involved. Researchers from Ohio State University brought pairs of 8- to 12-year-old children into a lab and showed them a 20-minute version of a popular PG-rated movie—either the Rocketeer (1991) or National Treasure (2004). In the edited movie, the children either saw that actual movie footage, which contained characters using guns, or they watched a version where the guns were edited out. They were then presented with a large room that contained various toys including Legos, nerf guns, and games. Not surprisingly, the children who watched the movie with the guns played more aggressively than children who watched the movie with the guns edited out, consistent with previous research.

 

[SomeRandom]

Ha ha!
If the little brat meant that, then 'fine'.
But isn't it interesting that the toy would be unacceptable to a high % of parents today because it is for playing at killing, and yet most members have chosen to ignore that in self-righteous criticism of JWs who don't like the damn thing for two reasons?

That is just strange...............

Kids play killing games all the time. Cowboys and Indians, Cops and robbers, I dunno pirates or whatever.
Magic killer (I don't think that's what the kid actually calls him, he says look at Sparlocks magic cape or something similar, voice acting needs work obviously) is fairly innocuous regardless. As many children often play with figurines who kill or beat up baddies in their imaginary playtime. Batman, Superman or even GI Joe if you're an 80s kid. I don't hear of anyone getting upset at that.
And wizards killing things are found in children's media all the time. Harry Potter being a prime example. Even the video game tie ins were rarely rated higher than an E or G depending on where you live.
Even still I doubt it's little more than a silly name bestowed by an 8 year old upon a fairly harmless toy wizard. Either that or the kid is a very young hardcore MMORPG gamer.

 

[Rival]

Jews believe that Moses was the greatest and last Prophet

What?

Moshe was nothing like the last prophet. The last prophet is said to be Malachi iirc.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It's not the lesson that Moses learned at Exodus 7:10-12.

We don't "fear" it...but we know the source behind it, so we avoid it as counseled in the Scriptures.

People in Moses day believed in magic some still do today...
There never has been the slightest evidence that it exists.
We know that in primitive times so little was known about anything, that almost nothing could be explained. Magic was as real to them as day and night... which they also could not explain.

Some things in the bible are no more than "beliefs" or social truths. Moses had no trouble with slavery, except for when it involved his own people. and the bible has passages supporting it... Today we have moved on, and know that it is a crime against humanity.

Bible knowledge needs to be applied with due regard for common sense.

 

[savagewind]

I looked through the posts and nearly all 'non-JWs' think this toy would be harmless.

If you lot don't mind your babes playing at killing stuff, then you've all lost the plot.

The little boy introduces the toy as a MAGIC KILLER! Now, do you all want your infants playing at killing?

You're all sad!

Jehovah's Witnesses teach (if and when you will read between their lines) that Jehovah is the magic killer. How so? When the time comes Jehovah will cause the death of everyone who isn't suited for life in the future. To know who-is-who is magic meaning that it is not natural to know who will repent and who won't. We don't know. But, in that day, they believe that Jehovah will finally use the power of God to eliminate every weed. They believe that God will be a worse killer than anyone real (or a toy) who has ever existed.

Yes, the Bible points to a day that evil will not exist but it is not so clear why it won't. Maybe, it just means that evil will finally reap what it has sown. Evil's works will cause the death of evil. Jesus Christ is the Prince of PEACE. To threaten the death of anyone is as far away from peace as you can get.

 

[savagewind]

He's 4, I reckon.

Then the lesson is WRONG! He had just come from school! At 4 or 5 by himself?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

The "moral" I take away from this video is that your kids shouldn't be trusted to be able to discern fantasy from reality, and that you should definitely be afraid that you are incapable of instilling in them the tools they need to do so. I find it contemptibly pathetic, to be bluntly honest - an insult to the intelligence of both children and their parents. Those who aren't insulted may very well be among those who aren't equipped to give their children the tools necessary for a solid grounding in reality. The plastic toy seems like it is being used as a scapegoat for that very issue.

 

[shmogie]

People who are not right according to the Jehovah's Witnesses are not accepted by them. Anyone who stands out as associating with the LGBT community is not worthy to serve God, according to them. They are considered bad associations.

Well, as Christian, I follow the Bible and it's guidance. Paul said that outside the Church if one decided to avoid people like this, he would have to leave the world. He also said that they were to be loved and respected, like any person should be. He also said they could not be members of the Church, without changing their behavior. Now, if the JW's disrespect and abuse these folk they come across in daily life, they are dead wrong. If they don't allow those practicing these these things membership, they are right. In my church, they are welcome to attend the services, encouraged, but they cannot be members, or take communion, or partake in baptism.

I am sure this offends your moral sense. I understand that. Your morality is the evolving and changing type. Some with this approach have evolved further, declaring pedophilia as "normal". True Christian's haven't the luxury of deciding morality on a sliding scale. Our morality is set, and has been in place for 2,000 years. It doesn't change for a true Christian, not now, not ever.

I know this is a terribly bitter pill for some to swallow, since they KNOW they are ABSOLUTELY right. No matter, as Walter Cronkite used to end his broadcasts, "that's the way it is".