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Jehovah's Witness' not learnt from Catholic church
- Thread starter Altfish
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I can't. If there is a version without the background music, I might be able to follow what they say, but with the accent being so different and the loud music behind it, I can't hear them.
But I certainly agree with the premise. Shame on the Jehovah's Witnesses for condemning in another religion what they do similarly. I am sure that there is no hope for that religion. Matthew 18:6 Mark 9:42 Luke 17:2 1 Corinthians 8:12
They learned one thing from the Catholic experience: if you argue that something is essential to your religion, you'll generally be allowed to use it as an excuse.
As much flak as the Catholic Church has received for its abuse scandal, they haven't really been challenged for how the "seal of confession" contributed to it. I wonder if the Jehovah's Witnesses hope that they'll get a similar pass for their "two witnesses" rule.
ecco
Veteran Member
On the bottom of youtube videos, toward the right, there are a bunch of icons. One of them, CC, lets you turn on closed captions.
I tried that, but I can only read English. It isn't English. I did not investigate further if whatever language it is can be switched to English. I am ashamed of myself that English is all I know and poorly at that.
Got it! It is Dutch and then I chose English generated which might be funny.......
Shad
Veteran Member
If you can tolerate it try the closed caption. It is auto-generated so is not the best. You need to set it to English as the default is Dutch.
*Didn't see Ecco's suggestion until after my post
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
If the "seal of confession" were to lead to priest getting into legal trouble if they violated it, then the result would be that those who may have violated the law will simply not go to confession, therefore nothing is to be gained by ending the seal. 1 - 1 = 0.
Yeah... no.
Some people might stop going to confession if they thought confession might not be kept absolutely secret, but:
- punishing complicit priests doesn't automatically mean they'll divulge anything.
- imperfect secrecy might still allow people to expect secrecy.
- people who take the Church's claims seriously that they'll go to Hell if they die with unforgiven mortal sins will keep on confessing regardless of the Earthly consequences, since the supernatural consequences of not confessing will always be worse (or so they believe).
ManSinha
Well-Known Member
You would condemn an entire flock of believers for the crimes of a few? That is harsh - (like your synoptics quotes though)
I didn't do that. I do not condemn people.
Sorry, wrong thread.
Religion is philosophy. People are real.
it is written liars will not inherit God's Kingdom. The Kingdom means the way, the truth, and the life. But, it might mean plain life with no the.
They are lying to themselves. They don't get the life.
They are lying to themselves. They don't get the life.
ManSinha
Well-Known Member
Admittedly that is a difficult question - probably not - if they were in genuine need I would hope I am sympathetic - example I have had to, in my past life, treat individuals with chronic pain that asked for more opioids. One always tries to walk a fine line between addressing genuine need and picking thru a perceived want - not an exact science by any stretch
But going back to my original thought - are you indicating that all of them misrepresent the truth? If you genuinely believe that - well that is your prerogative - is all I can say
I believe that anyone who is calling the Bible "God's Word" is misrepresenting the truth. I believe that everyone who trusts that God sent out two bears and they were able to kill forty-two people are misrepresenting the truth. I believe that everyone who trusts that God's love does not get angry are misrepresenting the truth.
Every member who has supported the JW policy of settling disputes internally instead of reporting crimes to the police has had a hand in shielding predators.
Every member who has supported the JW "two witnesses" rule has had a hand in letting predators off scot-free for want of a second witness.
This is not "a few."
It is all of them because what they advertise is that they have "the truth". They say that they themselves are "in the truth". So, they are all accomplices to whatever their governing body decides is true today.
We'll see.
Victorian Government to force priests to break seal of confessional to report abuse
For any who do read the report, the Melbourne Response was put together to address victims of abuse by the Church. It basically gives the church a way to limit damages, and for some reason the Church itself was given the ability to come up with this independently.
The man in charge of the Melbourne Response was Cardinal Pell, now the highest ranking Catholic official (worldwide) to be convicted of child sexual abuse.
He was given a character reference for his trial by ex-PM John Howard, which is his right, but also raises some questions, to my mind.
According to the Royal Commission report 1,691 different religious institutions were investigated....why single us out? We are not immune from these predators either. As far as I am aware, all reports of child abuse are now given to the police. It is often a crime without witnesses by its very nature.
We also have to be aware that many of these abuses took place from the 1950's when taking such cases to court was often more traumatic to the victim than the original abuse in many cases.
No one wants to cover up child abuse, but again in the early days, men were the judges and women in law were thin on the ground. To men, sexual crimes did not seem that big of a deal, until decades later when the victims were suffering much emotional trauma, often leading to suicide. Victims of child abuse did not really have much of a voice until very recent decades. Thankfully, they do now. And they no longer have to face their abusers in court.
This is not a simple case of JW's covering up child abuse.....there are many factors, especially in past decades that got in the way.....but in today's world, there can be no toleration of this crime.
This thread is nothing but click-bait IMO. It just brings out the haters.