psychoslice
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Pride is their downfall.
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"JEHOVAH'S" witnesses and Revelation 12:17
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
What exactly does this have to do with what I posted?
All we have is YHVH, or YHVH Elohiym. Anything else is an addition.
Also, I am well aware the trinity idea was tacked on later.
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes what wasn't tacked on later, through all the years of our precious word the bible, all sorts of things were added, and subtracted from, the bible now isn't really worth the paper its written on.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Psalm 101:1 actually says-
Psa 101:1 A Psalm of David. I will sing of mercy and judgment: unto thee, O YHVH, will I sing.
Psalm 8:1 actually says -
Psa 8:1 To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of David. O YHVH our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
Psalm 8:9 actually says -
Psa 8:9 O YHVH our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
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The 2nd-cent.-BCE scrolls found at Qurum, put that idea to rest.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
That's not the so called new testament, and there is dispute about the scrolls, so to me it means nothing.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Yes, plus I've read articles in Archaeology magazines that showed them side by side with the accepted gospels.
They had changed the word order on some of the verses which changed the whole meaning of the sentence.
They are, after all, again just translations.
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes I agree, but many believe that it proves what they believe is true, sad that people need proof of something they already believe strongly in.
kaoticprofit
Active Member
[QUOTE="djhwoodwerks, post: 4538965, member: 57254"
Rom 8:9 (ESVST) 9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
In their teachings, only the Spirit anointed can partake of the Body and Blood of Jesus, so the "little flock" as they call it do not have the Spirit. So to answer your question, no, the JW's are not brothers and sisters of Christ. You can research their teachings, they also claim that "ONLY" the anointed (the 144,000) are Jesus' brothers and sisters. The little flock only benefit from Christs sacrifice to live on earth. (I'm sorry, I meant that "ONLY" the little flock has the anointing)[/QUOTE]
You can't judge the heart of a man or woman or an entire Church upon your own beliefs. Every Church has heretical teachings and I'm tired of Christians bad mouthing one another. It's an epidemic in Christianity. It does no good for the Church or for the cause of Christ. For some reason, some Christians think it's incumbent upon them to expose what they believe are false teachings of others. Paul in Philippians debunks your assessment of JW'S.
Philippians 1:12-18 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel; So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
In the passage above, Paul while in prison knows that some preach Christ with improper motives, under false pretense, and not in truth. Yet he says that he rejoices that Christ is being preached anyway. What you have to understand is that there are damnable and un-damnable heresies, so your judgment that JW"S are not brothers and sisters in Christ is way off the mark as none of the doctrine is damnable. Those accusations do more to harm Christianity than help it. It only alienates people from Christ instead of leading them to him. I think Christians put others down only to build themselves up. It's called being "holier than thou!" Christians have no respect for others in the faith. They badmouth and demonize one another so often it's an epidemic. They have nothing good to say about JW'S, Mormons, SDA'S, Catholics, ETC., ETC. It makes Christianity look divided, hypocritical, and bigoted.
People outside of Christianity looking in, like Lolita, see the Protestants depict a Church that is divided and gone bad. They see a bickering Church that can't agree on anything and often condemns those who believe different like you just did. People who search and consider Christianity are turned off by this. People aren't converting to Christianity because of the divisions and level of hatred between Churches today. How does anyone on the outside know where to go when all they see so many divisions in Christianity. One Church bashes another. One Christian slanders another. You would think that after September 11, 2001, Christianity would have grown. But the truth is that since then ISLAM has grown at a much faster pace than Christianity! I blame Christianity's problems on their divisions and the poor un-Christlike slanderous attitude of others. Christianity has become a confused, divided, mixed up religion.
Rom 8:9 (ESVST) 9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
In their teachings, only the Spirit anointed can partake of the Body and Blood of Jesus, so the "little flock" as they call it do not have the Spirit. So to answer your question, no, the JW's are not brothers and sisters of Christ. You can research their teachings, they also claim that "ONLY" the anointed (the 144,000) are Jesus' brothers and sisters. The little flock only benefit from Christs sacrifice to live on earth. (I'm sorry, I meant that "ONLY" the little flock has the anointing)[/QUOTE]
You can't judge the heart of a man or woman or an entire Church upon your own beliefs. Every Church has heretical teachings and I'm tired of Christians bad mouthing one another. It's an epidemic in Christianity. It does no good for the Church or for the cause of Christ. For some reason, some Christians think it's incumbent upon them to expose what they believe are false teachings of others. Paul in Philippians debunks your assessment of JW'S.
Philippians 1:12-18 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel; So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places; And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
In the passage above, Paul while in prison knows that some preach Christ with improper motives, under false pretense, and not in truth. Yet he says that he rejoices that Christ is being preached anyway. What you have to understand is that there are damnable and un-damnable heresies, so your judgment that JW"S are not brothers and sisters in Christ is way off the mark as none of the doctrine is damnable. Those accusations do more to harm Christianity than help it. It only alienates people from Christ instead of leading them to him. I think Christians put others down only to build themselves up. It's called being "holier than thou!" Christians have no respect for others in the faith. They badmouth and demonize one another so often it's an epidemic. They have nothing good to say about JW'S, Mormons, SDA'S, Catholics, ETC., ETC. It makes Christianity look divided, hypocritical, and bigoted.
People outside of Christianity looking in, like Lolita, see the Protestants depict a Church that is divided and gone bad. They see a bickering Church that can't agree on anything and often condemns those who believe different like you just did. People who search and consider Christianity are turned off by this. People aren't converting to Christianity because of the divisions and level of hatred between Churches today. How does anyone on the outside know where to go when all they see so many divisions in Christianity. One Church bashes another. One Christian slanders another. You would think that after September 11, 2001, Christianity would have grown. But the truth is that since then ISLAM has grown at a much faster pace than Christianity! I blame Christianity's problems on their divisions and the poor un-Christlike slanderous attitude of others. Christianity has become a confused, divided, mixed up religion.
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kaoticprofit
Active Member
Absolutely not! The Protestants have been anti-ecumenical for ages and it has done more to hurt the cause of Christ than help it BY FAR! The Psalms and Proverbs are full of verses that teach Christian unity. So did Christ. Their anti-ecumenical attitude makes Christianity look divided and hypocritical. I will never call myself a Protestant because of their offensive nature. I don't even like calling myself a Christian because it associates me with them. I call myself 'a believer.'...or a Catholic.
Unity apart from God can be very bad imo. I wasn't referring to the unity among believers.
kaoticprofit
Active Member
What does 'apart from God' mean? Does it mean Baptist shouldn't fellowship with JW"S? Does it mean Catholic's shouldn't fellowship with Protestants?
An army is united in a way that is not good.
kaoticprofit
Active Member
You didn't answer the questions!
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that a believer in the JW god should not fellowship with Baptists and Catholics and anyone else not believing in God their way. I do not believe it.
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I believe that God is a spirit and those worshipping God must worship God in spirit and in truth. I think most united religious groups add "together" to that scripture. They teach that anyone worshipping God must worship God in truth their way, together and united. Do you believe them?
I might have answered it. What do you think?
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Then maybe you should stay off the internet and forums like this, huh?
kaoticprofit
Active Member
This forum has more kind people than most. I don't come here often because I don't want to offend Muslims who I find as much nicer people than Christians. That's probably another reason why Islam has grown much faster since Sept. 11. This is a multi religious forum so it's different than the others I've been on. It's easy to get warned. Internet forums are what caused me to study the Word even more over the last 13 years especially prophecy.
When false teachers were found in the congregation they were not expelled. They were actually given a second chance. Even iF they didn't repent, and as long as they weren't teaching 'damnable heresies' they weren't expelled, but the congregation was told to avoid them. False teachers or prophets who taught a works based salvation were easily identified and expelled. Paul's account of praising God for the gospel even when it was improperly and incorrectly preached should strike a nerve but I guess it doesn't.
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law,
1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
I have no idea of your prophetic beliefs esp. since you seem to associate JW'S with Revelation 12.
kaoticprofit
Active Member
Thank you for the detailed 11 word response. Why don't you just spill the beans and tell us how you really feel about my question.