Jesus adherents only: How is a ''separate' trinity concept, not polytheism?

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Ken; Point 1 - The Judaic religion especially IS DELIBERATE in its efforts to confuse us - wholly so....Your god declared itself openly to be a "jealous god" and outright forbad us to have and association with any other god... Straight away - THATS CONFUSING US ON PURPOSE - because understand,this same "god" also claims to be the ONLY GOD in existance - and yet it openly admits that yes others DO EXIST but we are FORBIDDEN their knowledge.. Immediately - and all the way through - there is this evident duplicity which leads obviously to our VERY confused state... The god there is claiming always a "supreme Divine status" that it simply does not have any legitimate claim to and it will eventually come to realise this fully...Indeed,ALL its own Angels and EVERY SOUL in creation came to know it as truth all at once - undeniable to them all - and so many Angels openly rebelled against this "god" and sought after legitimate Divine truth that HE FORBAD THEM TO KNOW - then later when mankind was finally created and WE TOO learned this truth, so we too openly rebelled against it...It is NOT supreme but still insists that it is and so dominates us unjustly and will not ALLOW us to come to the Divine in the correct manner for our Self...

It perpetuated the confusion ON PURPOSE through its Angels and priests - and the never ending multitudes of "rules" and prohibitions it gave to mankind regarding DIRECT SPIRITUAL COMMUNICATION....It FORBAD ALL FORMS OF SPIRITUAL PRACTICE - except for an elite few "priest class" that was fully under its dominion of course...Thus it ensured mankind became dumb and ignorant of legitimate spiritual truth and had only the dictates and twisted truth of this "god" to go by and rely on... BECAUSE it dominated us so unjustly - BECAUSE it would NOT allow Souls here to reach their Divine eternal status - this is WHY Christ took it upon Himself to intercede on our behalf directly...

Point 2 - Yes I have actually considered that for my Self...Especially when it started to show me the alternative Christ truth - had me questioning deeply for years and years actually - far too afraid to ever post any of this or even discuss it openly at first - scared that "god" would get angry - didnt want to "betray the faith" I had been TAUGHT to accept as truth.....BUT - it got such a serious crucial issue to me - that I just told this "god" to either speak up directly for it self or that I was going to do what I felt was right and needed to be done...Of course - from the religious god there is only always a deafening silence - but from Christ the answers and direction becomes ever clearer.. So lets see then - on the day I "die" and face this "judgement" AGAIN - for I tell you truth I HAVE ALREADY FACED IT DIRECTLY and it is not at all that which you have been taught in error.. I know it directly from the experience - but lets assume the religion is correct - and I stand before this "god" who is going to judge me...Well - I have nothing to fear do i..?..not IF this god is truly good compassionate embodiment of love - for it will have to judge me as a man SEEKING TRUTH - and it will know my INTENTION is the attainment of that TRUTH always - it iwll know my intention was peace unity understaning that can only come THROUGH the truth - and so I have done nothing evil - nothing wrong - only that which I was placed here to achieve - seek the Divine truth always....

if this "god" is legitimate then obviousuly it could silence me any time it sees fit - couldnt it..?.. I was once bothered by its judgemenets as I fully admit - and when this troubled me deeply then Christ came again to assure me - the HOLY GHOST asssured me - it said quite literally REMEMBER - a sin aganst the Father will always be forgiven - a sin against the Son will always be forgiven - but to sin against the Holy Ghost itself and there is no hope ever.. So ALWAYS follwo that INNER GUIDE - even whent he things it reveals are scarey - contrary - directly against the traditional truths - TRUST the Holy Ghist He said fo rthat alone knows legitimate truth

Doesnt your canonical scripture agree with that..??..

Point 3 -YES - there is a "judgement" - sort of - bit of a misnomer actually... A SELF judgement primarily.. It happens that as the mind frees from the mortal body FULLY and for the FIRST time - as it encounters first the "subconscious self" as this process unfolds within - and as the two for now quite seperte parts begin to merge and become ONE WHOLE MIND - this triggers a "gateway" within that allows this now whole SOUL to literally exit the body and experience the spiritual realms DIRECTLY... I assure you this is so - and is the very essence of the notion of "being born again" - you MUST trigger this inner presence first He said.. Sadly - most never even attempt to find it - and yet upon death they will inevitably face this same situation,unprepared - and so death will shock and dismay them again and they will lose their Self once again - a wasted life in terms of spiritual progress...

So - do this NOW He said - in life - come to know thy Self BEFORE that fateful day arrives and death comes calling....Do it now INTENTIONALLY - then upon death instead of shock and dismay, you will gain LIBERTY and true freedom to claim your full eternal nature, already knowing exactly Who and What you ACTUALLY are....Do you see...??...KNOW THY SELF He said first and foremost - this is why - because on that day you WILL FACE THE NAKED SELF -the ENTIRETY of every thought word action you have EVER taken here - ALL laid out for you to literally RE LIVE.....

Thus - you will JUDGE YOURSELF - I know this directly - have experienced it already DIRECTLY - you will strip the illusion away as mortal mid here encounters the hidden subconscious self so ALL will be revealed fresh and new - EVERY thought word action you EVER had !!! And even though this is a definate altered state of Consciousness and even though there may well indeed be OTHER Souls present as this is happening, I assure you, the judgement and the emotional turmoil it will bring is ONLY coming from the Self, ALWAYS....Prepare your Self(s) accordingly - for I assure you thi sis very real - research NDE phenomena and the classical "life review" that is invariably encountered.....

Point 4 - Satan as an individual entity does not even exist - and neither is there a place of eternal damnation punishment... evil is of THIS world my friend - and again I know this directly - have been around "sinful" and even outright "evil" people all my life - was once exactly like them in every respect shape and form - and see exactly why they are that way.. Always - a product of SELF IGNORANCE and learned enforced errors from others... The only thing to truly fear is Self ignorance as that causes ALL the worlds problems...

Point 5 - This issue of chemical aid to reach the Divine - KEEPS coming up on this forum - is POORLY understood by most here... First - a reminder - your "god" FORBAD ALL FORMS OF SPIRITUAL PRACTICE - ANYTHING that could facilitate a DIRECT encounter with the Divine spirit, this "god" forbad to us
under dire threats and punishments - didnt it..??/...YES - let it sink in.....

It obviously DOES NOT WANT US COMMUNING WITH SPIRIT - and this is because of course, we will all learn it is not a god at all and its deception soon comes to an end... Spirit though - individual SOULS - comes in all manner of individual forms - some "good" some "bad" from the human perspective.. Its really easy to tell which is which - just ask them directly - to confess CHRIST as the true Divine....ALL spirit knows this as legitimate truth - any who will not admit that authority should be shunned and avoided as a precaution I guess - but if they readily admit Christ as sovereign, then rest assured they will mean you nio harm no matter what they reveal... Besides -just the EXPERIENCE of the Presence - the Soul knows its truth directly...

So - your bible "god" does NOT want you to know the Divine - and has laid all manner of snares and traps and pitfalls to stop us attaining that Wisdom.. But look closely - the DIVIINE - my Father - legitimate Divine Spirit we all contain - DOES want mankind to come to its truth fully - and so it too has given us AID to achieve that goal - among this aid we find many many NATURAL SUBSTANCES that DIRECTLY FACILITATE spiritual communion.... TOOLS found withinthe plant world that allow this journey to begin...A KEY to open locked doors within....And LOOK - built WITHIN THE HUMAN BODY we find corresponding natural tools that MATCH the plant s tool PERFECTLY - LITERALLY - the human brain comes PR|E WIRED to RECEIVE THIS SPECIFIC CHEMICAL INPUT !!!

Quite astounding when you consider it..A PLANT produces a SPECIFIC chemical...It is VERY COMPLEX - FIFTY THREE individual atoms combine to form the molecule that gets mammals "high" - alters our Conscious perception to allow spiritual communion to be realised.. But thats not the astoudning part...This molecule -THC for short - has absolutely NO FUNCTION FOR THE PLANT !!!

It is USELESS for the plant itself - and yet it is produced in abundance through out the entire plant, especially the flowering bud.. It is NOT an aid to reproduce the plant to get animals or insects to be attracted for pollination..its nto a lure of any kind to aid fertilisation - It cannot be that as it is produced ALWAYS not just in seasons, and it is produced through out the entire plant continously and not just the flower.. Neither isi ti a posionous deterrant as some plants produce - it does NOT stop mmmals from eating the WHOLE plant - in fact they LOVE it and of anyhting the chenical attracts them to it not repells them.....So WHY does it produce this strange "drug"..????.......its like the whole plant is one big THC factory - thats all it does its entire lifecycle, produce abundance of mind altering chemical...........Let it sink in deep.........

Then realise along side this startling plant chemical - the human brain itself has SPECIFIC CHEMICAL RECEPTORS - that are fully DESIGNED to accomodate this SPECIFIC plant produced chemical.. !!!!

Its exactly like the mind is LOCKED and the physical receptors are the mechanism - introduce the "key" in the form of this chemical and the mind is immediately OPENED - new areas become fully accessable - and thus the spiritual realms become apparant... They were ALWAYS THERE of course - surrounded and immersed within the Spirit always - only now the mind is open and thus the veil is lifted... It seems rational and logical then - to simply state that the true Divine must indeed ALLOW us ENCOURAGE us in this Self exploration uncovering of truth - for it HAS most obviously set up the mechanism in NATURE that allows the exploraton to progress - given us direct tools that aid that endeavour and even pre wired the human form to take full advantage of them...No need ot 2demonise" these things at all - very poorly understood....

As to calling the self the Christ - I tell you (all) plainly as He did - you CANNOT BECOME CHRIST - not here in life - even Yeshua HAD to die to claim that legitimate status fully - we are born AS Christ in the next incarnation if we so Choose - in THIS life - we can only approach the threshold not yet reached - so just as He said - prepare your self(s) accordingly - KNOW THY SELF - become FULLY known - and on that fateful day the body dies but You will be untouched by its passing - remain always the eternal Soul that you have always been without any forgetting of Self, nature or purpose... As always - for those with ears to hear...

 

[Kenny]

Hi Folks..

Ken; Point 1 - The Judaic religion especially IS DELIBERATE in its efforts to confuse us - wholly so....Your god declared itself openly to be a "jealous god" and outright forbad us to have and association with any other god... Straight away - THATS CONFUSING US ON PURPOSE - because understand,this same "god" also claims to be the ONLY GOD in existance - and yet it openly admits that yes others DO EXIST but we are FORBIDDEN their knowledge.. Immediately - and all the way through - there is this evident duplicity which leads obviously to our VERY confused state... The god there is claiming always a "supreme Divine status" that it simply does not have any legitimate claim to and it will eventually come to realise this fully...Indeed,ALL its own Angels and EVERY SOUL in creation came to know it as truth all at once - undeniable to them all - and so many Angels openly rebelled against this "god" and sought after legitimate Divine truth that HE FORBAD THEM TO KNOW - then later when mankind was finally created and WE TOO learned this truth, so we too openly rebelled against it...It is NOT supreme but still insists that it is and so dominates us unjustly and will not ALLOW us to come to the Divine in the correct manner for our Self...

Your interpretation... and IMV wholly wrong and can be traced to your definition. As scripture says... there is but one God and all others are false gods. The Orthodox Jewish Bible says in Deut 32:17 They sacrificed unto shed (demons), not to G-d; to elohim whom they knew not, to chadashim (new g-ds), new arrivals, whom Avoteichem feared not.

The definition of god vs God's can be quite different. In the use and context of authority, man can be gods. Ps 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High is in context of ruling as a governing body.Satan is a false god yet rules as the god of the fallen world.

But there is only ONE true God who has the Divine status and has every right to the legitimate claims. When Satan tried to become as God, he was thrown out and removed from office. if you are confused, it is because you need to study to show yourself approved a workman that needs not be ashamed.

It perpetuated the confusion ON PURPOSE through its Angels and priests - and the never ending multitudes of "rules" and prohibitions it gave to mankind regarding DIRECT SPIRITUAL COMMUNICATION....It FORBAD ALL FORMS OF SPIRITUAL PRACTICE - except for an elite few "priest class" that was fully under its dominion of course...Thus it ensured mankind became dumb and ignorant of legitimate spiritual truth and had only the dictates and twisted truth of this "god" to go by and rely on... BECAUSE it dominated us so unjustly - BECAUSE it would NOT allow Souls here to reach their Divine eternal status - this is WHY Christ took it upon Himself to intercede on our behalf directly...

Wrong again. Man lost his position because of disobedience and this is WHY Christ took it upon Himself to remove this wall of separation.

Point 2 - Yes I have actually considered that for my Self...Especially when it started to show me the alternative Christ truth - had me questioning deeply for years and years actually

you should have realized, at that moment, that you were being led astray by doctrines of devils as scriptures teach.

- far too afraid to ever post any of this or even discuss it openly at first - scared that "god" would get angry - didnt want to "betray the faith" I had been TAUGHT to accept as truth.....BUT - it got such a serious crucial issue to me - that I just told this "god" to either speak up directly for it self or that I was going to do what I felt was right and needed to be done...Of course - from the religious god there is only always a deafening silence - but from Christ the answers and direction becomes ever clearer.. So lets see then - on the day I "die" and face this "judgement" AGAIN - for I tell you truth I HAVE ALREADY FACED IT DIRECTLY and it is not at all that which you have been taught in error.. I know it directly from the experience - but lets assume the religion is correct - and I stand before this "god" who is going to judge me...Well - I have nothing to fear do i..?..not IF this god is truly good compassionate embodiment of love - for it will have to judge me as a man SEEKING TRUTH - and it will know my INTENTION is the attainment of that TRUTH always - it iwll know my intention was peace unity understaning that can only come THROUGH the truth - and so I have done nothing evil - nothing wrong - only that which I was placed here to achieve - seek the Divine truth always....

We walk by "faith" and not by "experience" according to scriptures. The problem here, IMV, is that you are using your experience as the strainer of God's word throwing out what God said if it doesn't match your experience instead of using God's word to be the strainer of your experience

if this "god" is legitimate then obviously it could silence me any time it sees fit - couldnt it..?..

No... You have free will and from the beginning He said "Let man have dominion...". Adam chose a different "experience" thinking that he had a "new" revelation and that some how God was lying and preventing him from "knowing" truth even when God had told him the truth.

I was once bothered by its judgemenets as I fully admit - and when this troubled me deeply then Christ came again to assure me - the HOLY GHOST asssured me - it said quite literally REMEMBER - a sin aganst the Father will always be forgiven - a sin against the Son will always be forgiven - but to sin against the Holy Ghost itself and there is no hope ever.. So ALWAYS follwo that INNER GUIDE - even whent he things it reveals are scarey - contrary - directly against the traditional truths - TRUST the Holy Ghist He said fo rthat alone knows legitimate truth

Doesnt your canonical scripture agree with that..??..

The Holy Sprit will guide you to all truth but you are missing some points here. As Jesus said, "All that the Father has is mine and that is why I say the He (the Holy Spirit) will take of mine and show it to you." He also said "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will never pass away". Therefore, when you hear something from a spiritual entity that does not match with the words of Jesus which are that of God, then you are listening to the wrong spirit and it isn't holy.

Point 3 -YES - there is a "judgement" - sort of - bit of a misnomer actually... A SELF judgement primarily.. It happens that as the mind frees from the mortal body FULLY and for the FIRST time - as it encounters first the "subconscious self" as this process unfolds within - and as the two for now quite seperte parts begin to merge and become ONE WHOLE MIND - this triggers a "gateway" within that allows this now whole SOUL to literally exit the body and experience the spiritual realms DIRECTLY... I assure you this is so - and is the very essence of the notion of "being born again" - you MUST trigger this inner presence first He said.. Sadly - most never even attempt to find it - and yet upon death they will inevitably face this same situation,unprepared - and so death will shock and dismay them again and they will lose their Self once again - a wasted life in terms of spiritual progress...

You can "assure" me all you want but I still use the plumb line of God's word. My mother in law used to be involved in Satanism and was never born again until later in life but it didn't impede here to interact with the spiritual world. However, now that she is born again, she interacts with God and knows the difference between the two.

If you are "exiting" your body--more often than not, you are dealing with the wrong spirits. The best way to find out is see if they are sharing a "different gospel".

Yes... we should judge ourselves as that is always healthy. But there is a Lake of Fire where some will be cast into.

So - do this NOW He said - in life - come to know thy Self BEFORE that fateful day arrives and death comes calling....Do it now INTENTIONALLY - then upon death instead of shock and dismay, you will gain LIBERTY and true freedom to claim your full eternal nature, already knowing exactly Who and What you ACTUALLY are....Do you see...??...KNOW THY SELF He said first and foremost - this is why - because on that day you WILL FACE THE NAKED SELF -the ENTIRETY of every thought word action you have EVER taken here - ALL laid out for you to literally RE LIVE.....

1) You just admitted that there is a judgment for there is "shock and dismay".
2) You don't have to wait until death to be free.
3) I don't have to worry about "every thought, word and action because the blood of Jesus has washed away my sins.

Thus - you will JUDGE YOURSELF - I know this directly - have experienced it already DIRECTLY - you will strip the illusion away as mortal mid here encounters the hidden subconscious self so ALL will be revealed fresh and new - EVERY thought word action you EVER had !!! And even though this is a definate altered state of Consciousness and even though there may well indeed be OTHER Souls present as this is happening, I assure you, the judgement and the emotional turmoil it will bring is ONLY coming from the Self, ALWAYS....Prepare your Self(s) accordingly - for I assure you thi sis very real - research NDE phenomena and the classical "life review" that is invariably encountered.....

It is always good to judge yourself but to the standard as dictated by God's word IMHO.

Point 4 - Satan as an individual entity does not even exist - and neither is there a place of eternal damnation punishment... evil is of THIS world my friend - and again I know this directly - have been around "sinful" and even outright "evil" people all my life - was once exactly like them in every respect shape and form - and see exactly why they are that way.. Always - a product of SELF IGNORANCE and learned enforced errors from others... The only thing to truly fear is Self ignorance as that causes ALL the worlds problems...

Yes, as it is written, "my people perish for lack of knowledge". It also says that they also perish for "rejecting knowledge".

You are free to believe what you like--it free will. However, there is an entity called Satan and there is a punishment.

Point 5 - This issue of chemical aid to reach the Divine - KEEPS coming up on this forum - is POORLY understood by most here... First - a reminder - your "god" FORBAD ALL FORMS OF SPIRITUAL PRACTICE - ANYTHING that could facilitate a DIRECT encounter with the Divine spirit, this "god" forbad to us
under dire threats and punishments - didnt it..??/...YES - let it sink in.....

No... that is incorrect. God NEVER said not to encounter Him.

It obviously DOES NOT WANT US COMMUNING WITH SPIRIT - and this is because of course, we will all learn it is not a god at all and its deception soon comes to an end... Spirit though - individual SOULS - comes in all manner of individual forms - some "good" some "bad" from the human perspective.. Its really easy to tell which is which - just ask them directly - to confess CHRIST as the true Divine....ALL spirit knows this as legitimate truth - any who will not admit that authority should be shunned and avoided as a precaution I guess - but if they readily admit Christ as sovereign, then rest assured they will mean you nio harm no matter what they reveal... Besides -just the EXPERIENCE of the Presence - the Soul knows its truth directly...

Again... that is incorrect. He DOES want us to commune with His Spirit. Old Testament and New Testament are filled with examples.

 

[Kenny]

So - your bible "god" does NOT want you to know the Divine - and has laid all manner of snares and traps and pitfalls to stop us attaining that Wisdom.. But look closely - the DIVIINE - my Father - legitimate Divine Spirit we all contain - DOES want mankind to come to its truth fully - and so it too has given us AID to achieve that goal - among this aid we find many many NATURAL SUBSTANCES that DIRECTLY FACILITATE spiritual communion.... TOOLS found withinthe plant world that allow this journey to begin...A KEY to open locked doors within....And LOOK - built WITHIN THE HUMAN BODY we find corresponding natural tools that MATCH the plant s tool PERFECTLY - LITERALLY - the human brain comes PR|E WIRED to RECEIVE THIS SPECIFIC CHEMICAL INPUT !!!

You must be reading a different Bible.

And, no, chemical are not necessary and witchcraft ALWAYS use drugs. (Using drugs does not mean that you are in witchcraft but some drugs open one's spirit to demoniac influences)

Quite astounding when you consider it..A PLANT produces a SPECIFIC chemical...It is VERY COMPLEX - FIFTY THREE individual atoms combine to form the molecule that gets mammals "high" - alters our Conscious perception to allow spiritual communion to be realised.. But thats not the astoudning part...This molecule -THC for short - has absolutely NO FUNCTION FOR THE PLANT !!!

It is USELESS for the plant itself - and yet it is produced in abundance through out the entire plant, especially the flowering bud.. It is NOT an aid to reproduce the plant to get animals or insects to be attracted for pollination..its nto a lure of any kind to aid fertilisation - It cannot be that as it is produced ALWAYS not just in seasons, and it is produced through out the entire plant continously and not just the flower.. Neither isi ti a posionous deterrant as some plants produce - it does NOT stop mmmals from eating the WHOLE plant - in fact they LOVE it and of anyhting the chenical attracts them to it not repells them.....So WHY does it produce this strange "drug"..????.......its like the whole plant is one big THC factory - thats all it does its entire lifecycle, produce abundance of mind altering chemical...........Let it sink in deep.........

Then realise along side this startling plant chemical - the human brain itself has SPECIFIC CHEMICAL RECEPTORS - that are fully DESIGNED to accomodate this SPECIFIC plant produced chemical.. !!!!

Its exactly like the mind is LOCKED and the physical receptors are the mechanism - introduce the "key" in the form of this chemical and the mind is immediately OPENED - new areas become fully accessable - and thus the spiritual realms become apparant... They were ALWAYS THERE of course - surrounded and immersed within the Spirit always - only now the mind is open and thus the veil is lifted... It seems rational and logical then - to simply state that the true Divine must indeed ALLOW us ENCOURAGE us in this Self exploration uncovering of truth - for it HAS most obviously set up the mechanism in NATURE that allows the exploraton to progress - given us direct tools that aid that endeavour and even pre wired the human form to take full advantage of them...No need ot 2demonise" these things at all - very poorly understood....

yes... you are anatomical correct in its composition..

However, I get all the "highs" and "revelations" by just communing with Him. As it is written "Be not filled with wine (or drugs for that matter) but be ye filled with the Holy Ghost!" No drugs required or needed.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Ken; Ah my friend - I feel so sorry for your predicamant - truly I do as I once "was you" and saw and understood all this exactly as you now present it..Its not really a case of "you are wrong" - for what you say is all based on truth as they teach it - But - Its all a "twisted truth" my friend - based on real phenomena but poorly understood and the confusion then used to hold you dominated and subjugated Im afraid...I ask you to remember - and see the implications here - EVERYTHING that you present is from the RELIGION - fully self contained - and you are then told to shun and avoid any external "spiritual truth" - yes..?... They have tied you up in the mind and so, keep you under control and dominated...they have made you fearful - just as I was - of even daring to question openly - they have stiflled your Soul and imprisoned it within their doctrines alone...

Remember - everything you hold as truth here comes directly from the RELIGION and from MAN - whereas Christ already told us explicitly that they WILL LEAD US ASTRAY - either through their own ignorance or even done on purpose at times but they WILL lead us astray ALWAYS He warned...And this most crucial point you cannot afford to ignore if you want spiritual truth -THAT GOD OF THE HEBREWS IS NOT OUR FATHER THAT CHRIST ALONE TEACHES US OF !!! This is indeed why it leads you astray so completely - it is NOT LEGITIMATE - not the SOURCE of CREATION despite what it claims - it is only a CREATURE exactly like You and I.... Here I will show you Christ tell the disciples this directly - again the advise to let HIS WORDS sink in and see their implications for us all... Please - read these ORIGINAL scriptures for this is what He ACTUALLY told them FACE TO FACE (as He did to me) - this is the truth BEFORE your religion began its manipulation - read each quote here and please if you can - offer your own explanation as to what He is saying -- though what He says is exceedingly clear and precise and there can only be the one obvious meaning....Thomas first then :

"Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. And after they have reigned they will rest."

He tells us right at the start here that the "truth" that we hold is INCOMPLETE and that we still need to continue this spiritual search always....Heads up my friend(s) - He is speaking to you here DIRECTLY and to those like you lost in the enforced religious confusion....He then warns you (all) that what you uncover will DISTURB YOU GREATLY - because that "religious truth" is NOT ACTUAL TRUTH AT ALL - yet when you finally DO realise His truth you will MARVEL and be totally amazed at the sheer awesome majesty that you are and at the sheer scope of Creation that you are currently oblivious to...See - He is not speaking about a SEPERATE thing at all - You here and this "god" over there somewhere with a priest middleman intermediary - lol - He is speaking about a DIRECT LIVING EXPERIENCE and telling you it is CRUCIAL as the essence of truth... This is why you will "reign over them all" as He terms it - because you will have the living Divine truth GIVEN DIRECTLY - and as He says this process is GREATLY DISTURBING - just as I recount above - it DESTROYS the mortal perspective of Self and replaces it with new legitimate EXPERENTIAL truth - hence you WILL INDEED be born again - new mind - new persona - new Self understanding...THIS is what it is all about - INTERNAL process - NEVER external - NEVER "institutionalised" - NEVER dictated by another... So the warning in place He continues - all that you know is false He said - what you are about to uncover if you follow Me He warns will disturb you greatly.... WHAT could that possibty be..??...WHAT could disturb their faith in such a fundamental way..?...The answer is as said - He will tell them they have the WRONG GOD ENTIRELY - duped and deceived fully by it... This truth will shatter their world of course - but persevere He says - the new truth is truly marvelous, legitimate,eternal - truth of the DIVINE Father and He says only THIS truth can give you rest....Let it sink in deep Folks - for this is the foundation of all He taught - wrong god - not Divine....

"If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

So weve seen this quote before Im sure - but its meaning often gets overlooked or taken for granted - let it sink in DEEP Folks... The "spiritual leaders" He says most clearly DO NOT KNOW TRUTH - they do NOT know the Father, OR His "kingdom" - nor do they even know HOW TO EVEN LOOK FOR IT properly He says...Really THEY HAVE NOT GOT ANY IDEA AT ALL He says - think and believe that it is SEPERATE and OUTSIDE of You, but it NEVER WAS and the place to look He says is WITHIN the Self and not to these "others" who profess to lead and teach - not to them at all...Avoid them - they have no truth He said clearly not reliable..KNOW THY SELF above all things He says - ot all flows from WITHIN and NOT from these "external sources"....

Thomas - is like a CONVERSATION Master and Disciple - Thomas is "keeping notes" of the tings that are important...First the warning about the spiritual religious authority and its bogus nature - next He starts to explain about the TRUE Father so they have somethinig to compare to.. I iwill pick some relevant issues to show you His truth as it pertains to this conversation here...The issue above - out of body experiences and their taught "spiritual danger" for example - He says most definately it WILL happen - and we should SEEK it to happen - and we should EXPECT spiritual visiitation to occur - many things He says directly express this legitimate universal fact - leave the body in a conscious manner and you will encounter spiritual Beings - not evil He says - NATURAL :

"This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

He tells them even their basic fundamental beliefs are ENTIRELY WRONG - "this heaven and the one above will PASS AWAY" - meaning that this world AND the spiritual realms we call "gods heavens" are NOT the final destination at all !! They are misled He says - there are yet other realms that they - nor even their "god" are yet even aware of !! Our ideas of life and spiritual afterlife -TOTALLY WRONG He says....You "ate what is dead and made it come alive" - means simply you took falsehoods they fed you and made it living truth - took false spiritual truth and made it central to life.. WHEN YOU ARE IN THE LIGHT - when you finally encounter your DIVINE truth - WHAT WILL YOU DO HE asks - you will be confused... He speaks of knowing the Self as a WHOLE BEING - ONE - and then splititng again to become TWO - and again He asks WHAT WILL YOU DO..?.......You will be confused when it happens - and yet clearly it WILL happen and is fully EXPECTED - for He is now preparing them telling them that actually though they think there is "seperation" apparant here in life, there is NONE in spirit and they will experience it DIRECTLY for them Self and it will confuse them if unprepared... One becomes two Becomes One again - death birth death - the Self created Karmik cycle - He is telling them all their notions of spiritual reality are erroneous - their current notions of the TRUE Divine are not accurate - the "heaven" of this "god" will pass away and we will surpass them - their current notions of the Soul and eternal nature are likewise in error He says clearly and they will experience this truth directly for them Self..

NOT a SEPERATE creation where You are apart FROM the Father - but a LIVING ETERNAL SOUL that has been and always will Be INTEGRAL to the Father without any possible seperation at all...NO MATTER who or what You are HERE IN LIFE - ALWAYS You Will Be yet, a part of this Sovereign Spirit always !! (despite what the religion will insist differently)..

 

[PeteC-UK]

"I shall choose you, one from a thousand and two from ten thousand, and they will stand as a single one." His disciples said, "Show us the place where you are, for we must seek it." He said to them, "Anyone here with two ears had better listen! There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world. If it does not shine, it is dark."

He knows already the religious hold is so inbred, so indoctrinated in them, that He warns them despite their best efforts MOST WILL FAIL to understand - and indeed this is exactly as He warned isnt it..??.. Only 1 from 1000 even makes the attempt - thats a small 0 .1 % of the enitre population He says will even try at all in earnest...And of that small percentage only 2 from every 10 000 a - very small 0.02 % will actually understand and succeed......WOW - and its not even a "hard teaching" - but the RELIGIOUS MANIPULATION and FOUNDATIONAL DOMINATION is so widespread and ongoing that He warns of this "failure rate".... Lets see then - if we have a world population now of 6000 000 000 (six billion) - then we would have around 60 000 000 (sixty million) who ACTUALLY seeking the legitimate direct Divine communion - the rest are either not seeking at all or not seeking as HE alone instructed here.... Of that sixty million world wide legitimate seekers who actually understand Him - only 0.02 % will ACTUALLY succeed and BECOME Him - thats a mere 120 000 Souls alive today that are even capable of achieving His teaching in the authentic prescribed way... So dont worry Folks - all the religious confused ones here and all the athiests too - you are by far in the vast majority He says... I guess this is where the religion got is idea of a "chosen elect" frorm - a twisted truth as we see - for we CHOOSE OUR SELVES to do this in the AUTHENTIC manner - or else we are led by others and that is NOT OUR CHOICE at all but THEIR DICTATES that lead us astray - He warned us clearly - repeatedly - avoid the religion and those who teach you this "truth"...

This LIGHT He speaks of often - it s not "allegory" - its real bona fide and EXPERENTIAL... An actual PHENOMENA of the deep mind - readily available for anyone who seeks it out - bringing the results as relayed here - the DIRECT communion of mortal mind and Divine Presence HERE in the waking world.. When you invoke the Holy Ghost as He describes - it comes forth from a silent deep and empty MIND and is first encountered as LIGHT - literal shining all encompassing LIVING LIGHT....So so hard to put into words - EXPERIENCE is always the better teacher - GNOSIS is the only thing that satisfies here...The Light that enters the Mind IS the PRESENCE of the Divine - direct contact...The individual is flooded by it ( if they allow it ) and it becomes them and they BECOME it - is the only way to describe it....PERFECTLY NATURAL - seek it out He says always...This how my Father first comprehends its own Self AS the Divine Light that is over All....Take then THIS mind here readingt his post and sink it down deep within - find that sacred place and experience it directly - reveal the truth of the Self BEFORE the religion and all those other external sources have "dictated what you are to be" - encounter the naked spiritual Soul DIRECTLY and SEE DIRECTLY that which you have ALWAYS been...


The religion have done everything they can to twist this legitmate spiritual truth out of your grasp - they with hold the Holy Ghost form You (all) and replace it with THEIR prohibitive doctrines that forbid any attempts at such direct communion at all...Indeed, just as you say above -they tell you it is "evil" and "satan" but REALLY - it is their own twisted truth to stop you encountering the Divine DIRECTLY.. Make no mistake here - CHRIST tells us directly that such spiritual out of body experiences are perfectly natural - expected - all part of the essential process. - indeed SEEK THEM OUT He says...Look I will show it clearly and undeniably :

His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?" He said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample them, then you will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."

Folks - He IS speaking about direct out of body experiences...when you take your BODY that the Soul wears like clothes and strip from it, discard it fully - do this WITHOUT SHAME OR GUILT then this Divine presence comes forth..

"If two make peace with each other in a single house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move from here!' and it will move."

Two who make peace within the single house - are THIS mortal mind here reading writing posts - and the deeper part of Self we call "subconscious mind" - when these two encounter each other and come to this mutual understanding, then the Divine comes forth..TWO parts of the SAME single DIVIDED MIND - need to become ONE WHOLE MIND in full understanding of Self.. The process is further explained :

"Congratulations to those who are alone and chosen, for you will find the kingdom. For you have come from it, and you will return there again." He said, "If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established itself, and appeared in their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the chosen of the living Father.'

If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"

Only those who are seeking this ALONE can be CHOSEN - alone -as in - NOT IN A PUBLIC TEMPLE or its religion - NOT taking the guidance or learning from an "other" external source - but ALONE by the SELF and FOR the Self - THIS is how legitimate communion actually happens He says... And again this LIGHT - I tell you (all) it is a real world and actual phenomena - not allegory - He MEANS it Folks...To achieve this -call forth this Light -INVOKE THE HOLY GHOST - its method is as He says MOTION and REST....As in again - THIS mortal surface mind -ever changing - ever moving turbulant chaos of thought and conflicting emotion - MUST BE taken down into that crucial STATE OF REST - again, this mortal mind here must be taken in a deliberate and Conscious effort to directly encounter that secret silent and sacred place within.. he is telling us HOW to do it DELIBERATELY - and it REQUIRES us to be totally ALONE without any external influence at all (no religion priest guru teacher middleman to lead us astray - just mind seeking Divine Mind)...The surface mind must become first EMPTY of any and all such preconceived ideas of "truth" to be able to encounter its legitimate and ORIGINAL truth of Self - ETERNAL truth of Self...

"Whoever does not hate father and mother cannot be my disciple, and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters, and carry the cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

What..?...Surely He does not mean actual physical emotional hatred for our kinfolk..?>..Certainly NOT THAT -but fo rtheir WAYS and BELIEFS - for everyhting you hold as truth TAUGHT by such as these, is actually an error and not truth at all - therefore he says come to despise their truth and have no part of it -HATE it - they will curse you for it and it will be a great burden to bare of course - but still - it is necassary if we want His truth - turn away form ALL that you thought was truth if you do this he warns....Everything they THINK they know about spiirt and Diviinity and heaven and "after life" - all entirely wrong He says - you must come to despise it in this manner,shun and avoid its deciept and seek instead always this INNER Revelation process of invoking this Holy Ghost..ALWAYS seek THAT guide He says..

 

[PeteC-UK]

He said "Two will recline on a couch; one will die, one will live." Salome said, "Who are you mister? You have climbed onto my couch and eaten from my table as if you are from someone."

He said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father." - "I am your disciple." she said

"For this reason I say, if one is whole, one will be filled with light, but if one is divided, one will be filled with darkness."

He said, "I disclose my mysteries to those who are worthy of my mysteries.

First line - astral projection - out of body experience !! You rest deeply enough He says and this HAPPENS NATURALLY - the one mind here,mortal surface mind, dies , ceases to operate - yet the deeper "subconscious Self" comes alive and takes control.. When done deliberatlely with intent as he advises, this He says is the result - WHOLE MIND a complete and UNIFIED Mind -that is literally filled and inseperable formthe Divine Light and Divien PRESENCE that was invoked, invited to come forth.. The Presence He says brings REVELATION of mystery - revelatin of TRUTH !!!


There is NOTHING evil satanic or nefarious here - He is DIRECTLY TELLING US WHAT TO EXPECT as this process unfolds,..
unfolds..

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."

This inner Presence is VITAL He says - you can know all the external truths of the world - all those "religious truths" and spiritual truths that others have taught you throughout your life(s) - but if you do not uncover this Divine Presence within then you have nothing at all of any worth or value..

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you will kill you."

As we begin to see it really IS quite vital and essential to have this truth of this inner Divine presence and how to commune with it directly -- and yet the RELIGION has purposefully with held it from you and told you complete contrary lies... They say you DONT have this within you at all - "god" is seperate and far off after life - and they say you are NOT WORTHY to even have this gift and you NEED THEM to "make you worthy" always....COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF CHRISTS REVEALED TRUTH....Folks - they have DUPED US COMPLETELY !!

"I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

Just to be sure then He WANTS us to seek out and BECOME One with this Light - a LEGITIMATE phenomena accessed deep within the silent mind - and just to be sure this is the SAME DIVINE LIGHT that CAUSES CREATION - the Source itself - I and the FATHER are ONE - and clearly this is the thing we are to deliberately seek to ATTAIN just as He says it.. SEEK it ALWAYS - BECOME it He says it clearly...

"The messengers and the prophets will come to you and give you what belongs to you. You, in turn, give them what you have, and say to yourselves, 'When will they come and take what belongs to them?'"

Again OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES....Just go read ANY religious account of these DIRECT spiritual encounters and you will see clearly they speak of being in a HEAVEN and not a mortal state of mind at all....He has said through out all this to mend the mind in this manner and thereby become a whole Self (Soul) is to invoke a Presence that trancends the mortal barriers of space and time - an ETERNAL PRESENCE that has direct access to those realms we call "spiritual"....Invoking this Presence within He says will ALLOW other Souls to DIRECTLY COMMUNICATE - the messengers - Prophets and Angels - WILL COME TO YOU HE says clearly -like DEFINATELY they WILL come so EXPECT such things to happen !!

"The heavens and the earth will roll up in your presence, and whoever is living from the living one will not see death."

Find your INNER eternal nature - open that narrow gateway within - cross the boundaries that seperate realms mortal to spiritual.. This is the NATURAL CONDITION...Again - NONE OF THIS IS EVIL bad or nefarious - for He is clearly telling us to ACTUALLY INVOKE THIS PRESENCE and to allow it fully to become established and take presidence.. There is never any mention of a "spiritual adversary" at all EVER - no mention of anything bad or evil to watch out for - no mention of special rites or protections or never ending babbling useless prayers - just ENCOUNTER THE LIGHT FIRST is all - VITAL - for ONLY THAT PRESENCE can ACTUALLY DISCERN THESE TRUTHS !!! Let it sink in deep - and realise - the religion have FORBIDDEN this protection from you and replaced it with their own bogus lore...It is THEIR guidance that misleads always - this Presence here though - invoked the way Christ advises - quite essential He says - the ONLY ally we can trust... As always - for those with ears to hear...

 

[Kenny]

Hi Folks...

Ken; Ah my friend - I feel so sorry for your predicament - truly I do as I once "was you" and saw and understood all this exactly as you now present it..

Ah, my dear friend... it is unfortunate that it is you that finds yourself in the quandary of another gospel. I'm sure He will clear it up for you in the time to come.

Its not really a case of "you are wrong" - for what you say is all based on truth as they teach it - But - Its all a "twisted truth" my friend - based on real phenomena but poorly understood and the confusion then used to hold you dominated and subjugated Im afraid...I ask you to remember - and see the implications here - EVERYTHING that you present is from the RELIGION - fully self contained - and you are then told to shun and avoid any external "spiritual truth" - yes..?... They have tied you up in the mind and so, keep you under control and dominated...they have made you fearful - just as I was - of even daring to question openly - they have stifled your Soul and imprisoned it within their doctrines alone...

This is interesting, I am wrong and yet He speaks to me. I am twisted yet He is confirming His word with signs and wonders. I am in RELIGION and yet my relationship is so sweet. I am fearful and yet I have a peace that passes understanding.

I must be in a dichotomy of life.

Remember - everything you hold as truth here comes directly from the RELIGION and from MAN - whereas Christ already told us explicitly that they WILL LEAD US ASTRAY - either through their own ignorance or even done on purpose at times but they WILL lead us astray ALWAYS He warned...And this most crucial point you cannot afford to ignore if you want spiritual truth -THAT GOD OF THE HEBREWS IS NOT OUR FATHER THAT CHRIST ALONE TEACHES US OF !!! This is indeed why it leads you astray so completely - it is NOT LEGITIMATE - not the SOURCE of CREATION despite what it claims - it is only a CREATURE exactly like You and I.... Here I will show you Christ tell the disciples this directly - again the advise to let HIS WORDS sink in and see their implications for us all... Please - read these ORIGINAL scriptures for this is what He ACTUALLY told them FACE TO FACE (as He did to me) - this is the truth BEFORE your religion began its manipulation - read each quote here and please if you can - offer your own explanation as to what He is saying -- though what He says is exceedingly clear and precise and there can only be the one obvious meaning....Thomas first then :

The question is... who is being led astray. The God of the Hebrews is God alone. The scriptures says that salvation comes through the Jews for unto them was entrusted the scriptures.

I had a friend who saw a beautiful angel that, when people started telling him about Jesus, was transformed into a demon who tried to maintain a hold on him. I can't help but wonder whose face you are really looking at as he begins to manipulate you and lead you astray.

In that we don't agree that scriptures hold the truth... we are on different paths.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Ken; Despite what you may now think - we are not ACTUALLY on different paths at all - you trust Christ yes..?..

This is interesting, I am wrong and yet He speaks to me. I am twisted yet He is confirming His word with signs and wonders. I am in RELIGION and yet my relationship is so sweet. I am fearful and yet I have a peace that passes understanding. I must be in a dichotomy of life.

Ah my friend - ALL of our existance is a dichotomy - isnt it..?.. and I never said you was wrong per se - just that the truth they gave you is far from complete, and is definately slanted to suit their own agenda - and we see - their agenda works doesnt it..?.. - domination and control - as we see - for you are basicaly saying as all religious christians say - "if its not in the bible its not real" - lol - which means you have been taught to outright reject any contradictory sources of truth without any investigation at all - as He warned - the blind lead you and you remain blind also....

I would be VERY interested to hear - HOW is He confirming His word - WHAT LEGITIMATE signs and wonders ..??....Thats what its all about after all - the DIRECT personal communication....Please -share if you can..??.. The peace that surpasse4s understanding..?... lol - actually I DO understand - I have it directly - often I just state it that iam "bulletproof" now - already been destroyed see, by the world and its lies, as it were , cant touch my eternal Soul any more - and to me this really is a tangeable moment to moment experience of uitter trust and safety......I wish we were face to face here - it would be so much easier to convey than mere words alone - and to "compare notes" would be very revealing I think...

The question is... who is being led astray. The God of the Hebrews is God alone. The scriptures says that salvation comes through the Jews for unto them was entrusted the scriptures.

YES - that IS the question indeed... But as I have already shown amply - the "god of the Hebrews" was NEVER god alone - one among many - fully admitted even by that god itself...And look my friend - OF COURSE the scripture says that about the Jews for it it was THE JEWS THEMSELVES THAT WROTE THE SCRIPTURE !!! BUT LOOK CLOSELY - as said - their version was NOT THE ORIGINAL VERSION AT ALL !!! So already we see clearly it IS the religion that is led astray - just as Christ warned..

Its really easy to see once the religious indoctrination has been lifted...As a start -simply ask the Self one crucial question - WHY did they MURDER Christ..??.. Think about it properly - ALLOW those conrtrary thoughts - follow them to their conclusion and see for the Self if you are being lied to..You have a situation - according to the religion - where this god SPECIFICALLY tells its people to "watch for my Son who I will send" - and yet - when He turns up, within a short period of time they totally reject Him - He becomes such an immediate problem - such a threat -that they go to their ENEMIES and plot to end His teaching by whatever means necassary - which as we know results in His death at the hands of the Romans - but it was JEWS who made that happen - never forget that.. Indeed - it was PRIESTS OF THE GOD that made that wrongful murder happen -wasnt it..??...

Well -THINK ABOUT IT THEN !!! WHY did they do that..???..........Now no doubt - the answer will pertain somehow to this "satan" character (doesnt exist) - but crucially it is a REAL WORLD SITUATION - which means that something CHRIST ACTUALLY SAID OR DID made Him a DIRECT ENEMY to the established religion,so much so that they plot to SILENCE HOS TRUTH by any means necassary.... can you deny it..??... Can you EXPLAIN it..??

If the answer is "satan" or anything like - then that will bring up all manner of issues regarding their taught enforced doctrine, opena a whole can of worms here that the religion has no asnwer for and no defense against..

So first then - in your own understanding as a good starting point - WHY did JEWISH PRIESTS instigate the death of their "gods only son"..??...

 

[Kenny]

Hi Folks..

Ken; Despite what you may now think - we are not ACTUALLY on different paths at all - you trust Christ yes..?..

I would say it this way... we both trusted Jesus Christ but somewhere along the line you began to follow a different direction. You may still be His child but slowing being drawn away.

Ah my friend - ALL of our existence is a dichotomy - isnt it..?..
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I don't see it at this time.

and I never said you was wrong per se - just that the truth they gave you is far from complete, and is definately slanted to suit their own agenda - and we see - their agenda works doesnt it..?.. - domination and control - as we see - for you are basicaly saying as all religious christians say - "if its not in the bible its not real" - lol - which means you have been taught to outright reject any contradictory sources of truth without any investigation at all - as He warned - the blind lead you and you remain blind also....

Actually, you did say I was wrong with many words. LOL - Your blind statement cuts both ways. Someone is blind or being blinded.... true. The question is who?

I would be VERY interested to hear - HOW is He confirming His word - WHAT LEGITIMATE signs and wonders ..??....Thats what its all about after all - the DIRECT personal communication....Please -share if you can..??.. The peace that surpasse4s understanding..?... lol - actually I DO understand - I have it directly - often I just state it that iam "bulletproof" now - already been destroyed see, by the world and its lies, as it were , cant touch my eternal Soul any more - and to me this really is a tangeable moment to moment experience of uitter trust and safety......I wish we were face to face here - it would be so much easier to convey than mere words alone - and to "compare notes" would be very revealing I think...
.

What legitimate signs? The ones that follow them that believe, of course. People are also being saved and transformed by the word of His power and filled with dunamis.

YES - that IS the question indeed... But as I have already shown amply - the "god of the Hebrews" was NEVER god alone - one among many - fully admitted even by that god itself...And look my friend - OF COURSE the scripture says that about the Jews for it it was THE JEWS THEMSELVES THAT WROTE THE SCRIPTURE !!! BUT LOOK CLOSELY - as said - their version was NOT THE ORIGINAL VERSION AT ALL !!! So already we see clearly it IS the religion that is led astray - just as Christ warned..

Making a statement without support doesn't validate what you say. Your statements are not an end to itself. Jesus had no problem validating what was said thus I hold that it is still a valid version.

Its really easy to see once the religious indoctrination has been lifted...As a start -simply ask the Self one crucial question - WHY did they MURDER Christ..??.. Think about it properly - ALLOW those conrtrary thoughts - follow them to their conclusion and see for the Self if you are being lied to..You have a situation - according to the religion - where this god SPECIFICALLY tells its people to "watch for my Son who I will send" - and yet - when He turns up, within a short period of time they totally reject Him - He becomes such an immediate problem - such a threat -that they go to their ENEMIES and plot to end His teaching by whatever means necassary - which as we know results in His death at the hands of the Romans - but it was JEWS who made that happen - never forget that.. Indeed - it was PRIESTS OF THE GOD that made that wrongful murder happen -wasnt it..??...
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I disagree completely and EMPHATICALLY. He was wounded for MY transgressions, bruised for MY iniquities, the chastisement of MY peace was upon Him. Colossians says He took MY sins and nailed it to the cross. There may have been Gentiles and Jews involved in the process, but He still did it because of each and every one of us.

Therefore, if you look at it Biblically, you and I crucified Him because of OUR sins. I'm just as guilty as are you.

Well -THINK ABOUT IT THEN !!! WHY did they do that..???..........Now no doubt - the answer will pertain somehow to this "satan" character (doesnt exist) - but crucially it is a REAL WORLD SITUATION - which means that something CHRIST ACTUALLY SAID OR DID made Him a DIRECT ENEMY to the established religion,so much so that they plot to SILENCE HOS TRUTH by any means necassary.... can you deny it..??... Can you EXPLAIN it..??

If the answer is "satan" or anything like - then that will bring up all manner of issues regarding their taught enforced doctrine, opena a whole can of worms here that the religion has no asnwer for and no defense against..

So first then - in your own understanding as a good starting point - WHY did JEWISH PRIESTS instigate the death of their "gods only son"..??...

Therefore, religion had nothing to do with it.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Ken;

I would say it this way... we both trusted Jesus Christ but somewhere along the line you began to follow a different direction. You may still be His child but slowing being drawn away.

Ok so we both truth HIM - thats good - very good but - is it a case then - can we trust the BIBLE or the religion that bares His name..??... Remember my friend - NONE of that NEW testamant is written BY Him OR by ANY disciple - NOT DIRECTLY !!! The new testamant IS a fraud in that regard, and is openly admitted that it take its origins from hundreds of other ORIGINAL and pre existant tomes - literally like cut n paste to suit their needs !!!

S0 - Obviously CANNOT TRUST IT - and that warning comes from Christ directly, repeatedly DOESNT IT..??.. Even before these things done "in His name" He warned us fully that this subterfuge WOULD be done - didnt He..??.. Even before ANY "christian religion" HE WARNED us what it would be like and told us blatantly to have no part of it at all !! According to HIM directly - you know - DAMN those PHARISEES who neither know truth nor share it freely He said...You MUST HATE YOUR PARENTS - as explained, their ways traditions and false ideas of truth.....Shun the temple and priest He said - no more useless repeated never ending fawning supplications and prayers - no more useless catechisms and rituals - NO MORE INTERMEDIARY middleman - avoid it all He advised VERY CLEARLY - when you seek my Father He said GO ALONE INTO A PRIVATE ROOM, shut the door do not let the world intrude - SECRET and personal communion ALWAYS - DO NOT LET YOUR LEFT HAND KNOW WHAT YOUR RIGHT HAND DOES... His truth is NOT the "public religion" at all and He made that very VERY plain........WRONG GOD entirely He said - NOT MY FATHER........Even IN the bible - despite its careful editing - still in places we glimpse this foundational truth....

See canon John for example - very first confrontation between priests and our mate Christ - He tells them very clearly that they have no idea at all about the legitimate Father - and are themselves following - His words - "a liar and a murderer" - who is deceiving them all fully He says and even now at that face to face confrontation He says THEIR god is inciting them to MURDER HIM !!! Read it PROPERLY and see it as it was - THEIR god He said is NOT my Father - THEY DONT KNOW THE FATHER He said - their god is plotting to MURDER THE CHRIST He told them directly to their faces - your god is a LIAR and a MURDERER He said...DIDNT HE..????

YES HE DID - He told them to their faces that their god was a lying murdering god who is deceiving them all.. Indeed - His words - your god is the "FATHER OF LIES " He said - yes..??.. Now I emphasise that for obvious reasons, as you mention this "satan" character and that same identical epitaph is also assigned to this "satan" yes..?...So in actual truth then - Christ very first confrontation tells the Jewish sanhedrin leaders that their god is actually this "satan" they fear.... And see also - "satan" according to the religion is SUPPOSED to be "ruler of this mortal world" yes..?..and look it IS THE GOD OF THE HEBREWS who ACTUALLY rules this world created it and us directly and then dominates us all fully, with lies and twisted truth its favoured tools always....This "satan" character of the religion IS the Hebrew god - the DRAGON that is cast from the TRUE Heavens IS this angel Yahweh that we will take to be "god" - it is a the lesser TRICKSTER god that fully deceives us and part OF that deception is to invent this "satan" character itself to hide its true nature behind...That god is the god of "smoke n mirrors" - illusions and deceipts...THIS is the essentuial truth of His teaching - wrong god entirely - not the Father - not Divine...

He has given us PLENTY OF WARNING about all this that would be done in his name - told us blatantly to come away from the religious influence - insisted on it as a definate and essential prerequisite - you MUST empty all that out He said before you can take this NEW TRUTH that He alone delivered... You know - all those parables - you cant serve TWO masters - nobody puts NEW wine in OLD wineskins - He is definately speaking of TWO SEPERATE forms of "truth" isnt He..?.. He is definately saying all along that OLD ways MUST be given up entirely in favour of HIS NEW TEACHING....He IS saying that essentially - isnt He..?....

Let it sink in deep.........

Its a case as HE presents it to them - of an OLD TRUTH that must be fully disgarded before His NEW truth can be taken in.. Alongside this He is VERY SCATHING AND OPENLY CRITICAL OF THE RELIGION - tells people BLATANTLY to stop all that useless "temple worship" - QUIT BABBLING LIKE A PAGAN is how He ACTUALLY says it - yes..??

He is ANGRY at the religion and we only EVER see such anger and criticism directed AT THE RELIGION ALONE !!! DAMN THE PHARISEE He said - your leaders actualyl MISLEAD you (all) and even do so ON PURPOSE He warned repeatedly !!

And look - its a REAL WORLD SITUATION...The priests have FULL CONTROL - totally secure in their status and dominance.. Along comes Christ saying all this and totally upsetting the status quo - sham god and charlatan priesthood that are NOT DIVINE HE said - He then PROVES it of course by doing MIRACLES that although such supernatural feats are commonplace and accepted back then as legitmate - literally EVERBODY lives daily with magik sorcery and priestly "spiritual religion" and such things are COMMON PLACE to them - except Christ alone - SOMETHING about HIS MIRACLES singled Him out as a direct threat....OTHER PEOPLE through history - many other people - had CLAIMED to be this special "messiah" - but NONE of them had the impact that Yeshua had - and that is because Yeshua IS the Christ - legitmate Divine.. See then - MANY TIMES ALREADY the Jews had faced such upstarts making such divine claims of themselves - and they had NOT acted EVER to silence anyone else - had they..?..

NO - but something about CHRIST - THREATENS them DIRECTLY - and is so severe a threat that it makes them go to the Romans - who dont forget are THEIR ENEMIES !!! Its exactly as if they use one ENEMY to dispose of another ENEMY and that is exactly how they manipulate it.. And remember right at the start Christ TOLD them this was what they would do - and said all along they do it because HE IS NOT OF THEIR GOD and THEY DO NOT KNOW THE FATHER !!!!.

WRONG GOD - NOT DIVINE HE said - then He PROVED His own claims with these legitimate miracles THAT NO PRIEST OF YAHWEH COULD MATCH !!!!

 

[PeteC-UK]

Again - let it sink in deep - see the implications....A real world situation - He WAS a direct threat to their MORTAL power and status...He told EVERYONE blatantly that they had been tricked and deceived by a lesser god...MIRACLES were His PROOF and HIS ALONE as NOBODY cold do the actual feats that He alone could accomplish WITH EASE !!! And so the Jews immediately sought to silence His teaching and remove Him from the public eye..

REAL WORLD SITUATION....Magik, sorcery "Spiritual power" - VERY REAL - esepcially to THESE people at this time and place...As said,fully foundational to their entire culture...The Hebrews have one of the richest "supernatural and spiritual" lore and history.. Cram full of direct other worldly phenomena that is taken fully as legitimate and valid (even if forgotten to day).. Check out the famous Solomans temple itself - BUILT BY JINN - magikal other worldly Souls - commanded by Soloman, controlled through that which we call "magik"....It was common place, well known - mostly controlled BY THE PRIEST CLASS themselves....Especially such things as "healing magik"........Normal every day occurrences - then along comes Christ and does things that are SPECTACULAR and that NOBODY else can come close to matching !!

For a priest - you want his aid back then and this is how it went...Go the temple, ask the priest to help...It REQUIRES ALWAYS a definate process and there are NO GUARANTEES of success at all...The priest has insurance policy - he can just say it failed because YOU ARE NOT WORTHY - not HIS fault but YOURS, the god doesnt like you enough..lol.. So you ask for "divine aid" for your every day problems -the priest CHARGES you for the service plus you have to provide a SACRIFICE to the "god" - and again the temple itself ran a sideline and would SELL you certain animals to be used AS the sacrifice...They even had certain specific animals for certain specific levels of intervention - you know - minor aid, requires 1 chicken for example - more complicated requires perhaps a 2 chickens - or a dove for instance - more complicated again and it would have to be like a specific WHITE dove for example with of course a higher charge applied...And for the really serious aid, it would need to be a BIG sacrifice - a goat or sheep perhaps - again bred reared and supplied on demand BY the temple and CHARGED for the service always - fully contained start to finish the PRIEST literally made a killing and became rich and powerful because of it...

So - having asked and bought your sacrifice - prepared THAT side of it all - now the priest and supplicant must engage in lengthy rituals - scrolls and words of power and "prayers" must be recited over and over and over - for a speciific set amount of time and "worship" - all of course only known and dictated by the priest who is basically "making it up as he goes along", under disguise of "divine direction"...lol......Really though - its just a sales scam of course - bigging it up so they can claim special authoriity and charge ever more of course - thus they become secure and powerful and dominant - and yet as said - NO GUARANTEES that their intervention even would work - faith alone with bare results....

It was all a sham just as He said - magik IS real - Divine intervention and spiritual contact IS REAL FOLKS - but these "priests" - were and are - CHARLATANS....This above is THEIR way - the REAL WORLD SITUATION of what their society was actually all about... LOOK - THEY COULD NOT DO WHAT CHRIST ALONE DID WITH EASE !!! No priest of Yahweh could for example HEAL A LEPER - would not even attempt it EVER - indeed the priest classed lepers as fully OUTCAST BY GOD - said in affect that the "god" had abandoned them the disease was INCURABLE and this was BECAUSE the "god" decreed them OUTCAST - so lepers were shunned and no priest would even attempt to heal one supposedly by their "gods decree"...See CHRIST THEN - His FIRST PUBLIC MIRACLE is indeed to heal a leper FULLY - and look closely - NONE OF THAT BOGUS TEMPLE NONESENSE !!!!

Crucial to understand !! This is WHY they murder Him !!!

He finds a leper - no fuss no commotion - NO PREPERATION - NO SACRIFICE - NO PAYMENT - and yet IMMEDIATE RESULTS !!! With JUST the Divine Will and the Spoken Word He CAUSES THE LEPER TO HEAL - fully and completely like he had never even been ill.... Told the leper specifically to now go directly to a PRIEST and says tell them what I have done and say I wish to meet them...HE KNEW that the priest and EVERYONE would be totally amazed by this act and He did it with full intent.... A LEPER Folks - let it sink in - He KNEW that NO PRIEST OF YAHWEH would even make the attempt EVER, their god COULD NOT HEAL it - and the priest ALWAYS needed all that preperation, sacrifice and payment to do any "miracles" ata ll let alone THIS of all feats !!....

See - His way - a DIRECT THREAT TO THEIR POWER...

He knew that the confronatation would come and so quielty without fuss He heals this leper and tells him go see the priest FIRST - the healed man is His PROOF of the claims He will make to them.... But the leper himself - kind of spoiled it - free will I guess.... Instead of doing what Christ asked him to do - the leper goes off to the MARKET and tells all that will listen he boasts that LOOK IAM HEALED FULLY - and see they all KNOW HIM, he is local, probably begs there every day - yesterday he was a leper TODAY HE IS HEALED - how is this possible they say..?....it is HIM - the MESSIAH IS HERE he says and HE HAS healed me !!!! THIS ACT starts off all the division and the twisting of truth and the chicanery that will follow all comes from this first Divine act - the proof that He is LEGITIMATE that their own god cannot match at all...

So the confrontation happens - as recorded in John recounted above..They come out to meet him - in PUBLIC - He offered the chance of course do this behind their close doors first - privately tell them they have been deceived by a lesser god - but the leper and his free will threw the spanner in the works as they say went off boasting about the messiah and of course the sanhedrin know NOTHING of His coming yet, so this makes them immediately adverserial and so this confrontatiion happens - confront Him openly and demand to know who He is and where is He getting such talent.. He tells them plainly as said above - your god is NOT my Father - your god is a lying murder who is deceiving everyone - I paraphrase of course but He told them basically and essentially that THEY CANNOT DO THESE MIRACLES as their god is NOT a god - I ALONE CAN DO THESE MIRACLES He said as My Father is the LEGITIMATE Divine Source of Creation itself !!!

Because of these truths He bought and gave freely - and because of His miraculous proofs - this made Him an obvious direct threat to their power and status - they indeed plot to murder Him silence His truth - cling still to the lesser bogus god - even though they KNOW FOR SURE that their god IS lesser for as said they CANNOT attain the things He alone did - so they simply could not allow Him to continue , they turn on Him fully, for as said they would be obsolete, powerless charlatans - when He is rejected by them so too He begins to tell the people to deliberately shun and avoid the temple religion and the people begin to flock to Him to hear this NEW RADICAL TRUTH....This begins to really take a toll on the priestly power base and dominance - He soon amasses a large following becomes the central talk of EVERYTHING because look again closely - NOBODY can do the things HE ALONE can do and they all begin to see HE IS LEGITIMATE - so the priests lose the grip and dominance until finally enough is enough and they have Rome murder Him - cling to the lesser god ever more tightly and ensure that Christs truth is eradicated as best as they can achieve...THESE ARE REAL WORLD EVENTS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED...The rest is twisted history my friend......One of us IS deceived - and Christ gave ample warning all this would be done IN HIS NAME - but NOT by His TRUE followers As always for those with ears to hear....

 

[Kenny]

Hi Folks..

Ken;

Ok so we both truth HIM - thats good - very good but - is it a case then - can we trust the BIBLE or the religion that bares His name..??... Remember my friend - NONE of that NEW testamant is written BY Him OR by ANY disciple - NOT DIRECTLY !!! The new testament IS a fraud in that regard, and is openly admitted that it take its origins from hundreds of other ORIGINAL and pre existant tomes - literally like cut n paste to suit their needs !!!

You are mistaken.

More than just who wrote them (many of the Epistles were written by the same) -- the words match the OT thus validating the message.

S0 - Obviously CANNOT TRUST IT - and that warning comes from Christ directly, repeatedly DOESNT IT..??..

no

Even before these things done "in His name" He warned us fully that this subterfuge WOULD be done - didnt He..??.. Even before ANY "christian religion" HE WARNED us what it would be like and told us blatantly to have no part of it at all !! According to HIM directly - you know - DAMN those PHARISEES who neither know truth nor share it freely He said...You MUST HATE YOUR PARENTS - as explained, their ways traditions and false ideas of truth.....Shun the temple and priest He said - no more useless repeated never ending fawning supplications and prayers - no more useless catechisms and rituals - NO MORE INTERMEDIARY middleman - avoid it all He advised VERY CLEARLY - when you seek my Father He said GO ALONE INTO A PRIVATE ROOM, shut the door do not let the world intrude - SECRET and personal communion ALWAYS - DO NOT LET YOUR LEFT HAND KNOW WHAT YOUR RIGHT HAND DOES... His truth is NOT the "public religion" at all and He made that very VERY plain........WRONG GOD entirely He said - NOT MY FATHER........Even IN the bible - despite its careful editing - still in places we glimpse this foundational truth....

No. What he said was that he didn't agree with the interpretations that they added in the Talmud.

See canon John for example - very first confrontation between priests and our mate Christ - He tells them very clearly that they have no idea at all about the legitimate Father - and are themselves following - His words - "a liar and a murderer" - who is deceiving them all fully He says and even now at that face to face confrontation He says THEIR god is inciting them to MURDER HIM !!! Read it PROPERLY and see it as it was - THEIR god He said is NOT my Father - THEY DONT KNOW THE FATHER He said - their god is plotting to MURDER THE CHRIST He told them directly to their faces - your god is a LIAR and a MURDERER He said...DIDNT HE..????

Correct... he said that they were serving Satan but had nothing to do with scripture.

YES HE DID - He told them to their faces that their god was a lying murdering god who is deceiving them all.. Indeed - His words - your god is the "FATHER OF LIES " He said - yes..??.. Now I emphasise that for obvious reasons, as you mention this "satan" character and that same identical epitaph is also assigned to this "satan" yes..?...So in actual truth then - Christ very first confrontation tells the Jewish sanhedrin leaders that their god is actually this "satan" they fear.... And see also - "satan" according to the religion is SUPPOSED to be "ruler of this mortal world" yes..?..and look it IS THE GOD OF THE HEBREWS who ACTUALLY rules this world created it and us directly and then dominates us all fully, with lies and twisted truth its favoured tools always....This "satan" character of the religion IS the Hebrew god - the DRAGON that is cast from the TRUE Heavens IS this angel Yahweh that we will take to be "god" - it is a the lesser TRICKSTER god that fully deceives us and part OF that deception is to invent this "satan" character itself to hide its true nature behind...That god is the god of "smoke n mirrors" - illusions and deceipts...THIS is the essentuial truth of His teaching - wrong god entirely - not the Father - not Divine...

You forget that he didn't not say the same to Nicodemus who was also in than Sanhedrin. There were others that received Him as Lord and Savior.
Also... You cannot connect the God of the Hebrews of the OT with what people practice individually. When Aaron created the statue of an animal and said "This god delivered you" -- does not equate that YHWY wasn't their God.
You also forget that Jesus quoted the OT.

Apparently you see it differently.

He has given us PLENTY OF WARNING about all this that would be done in his name - told us blatantly to come away from the religious influence - insisted on it as a definate and essential prerequisite - you MUST empty all that out He said before you can take this NEW TRUTH that He alone delivered... You know - all those parables - you cant serve TWO masters - nobody puts NEW wine in OLD wineskins - He is definately speaking of TWO SEPERATE forms of "truth" isnt He..?.. He is definately saying all along that OLD ways MUST be given up entirely in favour of HIS NEW TEACHING....He IS saying that essentially - isnt He..?....

Yes... but your NEW wineskin is different from the God of the Hebrews. You are basically saying that only YOU have the new wineskin and we should listen to YOU. No, I think I will follow Jesus.

Let it sink in deep.........

 

[Kenny]

Crucial to understand !! This is WHY they murder Him !!!

John 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.
Matt 26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

No, my friend. Jesus freely gave his life for us all...

He was wounded for OUR transgressions, bruised for OUR iniquities.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Ken;

You are mistaken.

(about the authenticity and origin of the canon gospels)

More than just who wrote them (many of the Epistles were written by the same) -- the words match the OT thus validating the message.

Ah - no my friend - THINK ABOUT IT - its ALL coming from the SAME RELIGION - same "god" same priesthood foundation - of course then it matches old and new testament as it is a contiuuation of the same deceit - obviously.. And NO Iam not mistaken about the canon... It does not exist ANYWHERE in its PRESENT and ORDAINED form - not until mid FOURTH century - yes like 350 years AFTER our mate walked the Earth - after 350 years of infighting and outright conflict - all in "His name" - then finally a complete "outsider" - ROME - wil step in stamp authoirty over them all and literally DICTATE the "truth of their religion" - and its not even done for true "spiritual truth" - NOT AT ALL - it is done to simply quell the none stop confrontations between these various "christian sects" - done to bring STABILITY and POLITICAL CONTROL once again to ROMES hands - so THEY instigated the "christian" religion - not even Christians at all but a POLITICAL and MIILITARY manouvere aimed at DOMINATION... FORGET all that nonesense that "Constantine converted to christianity" - understand at this time THERE WAS NO CHRISTIAN RELIGION - all there was was like a hundred plus DIFFERENT SECTS all fighting each other for superiority and RELIGIOUS control - Rome finally had enough of all that trouble and so clever Constantine used their own agenda against them and MADE them become united UNDER ROMES CONTROL....THIS is what ACTUALLY happened.... He ORDERED all the various leaders of these different sects to come together and bring ALL their "sacred texts"....He then told them to formulate the points on which they all agreed - and he then had HIS WON SCHOLARS carefully go through the manuscripts to literally CUT AND PASTE a new version of UNIVERSAL - CATHOLIC truth - thus HE ENFORCED THE DOCTRINES HIMSELF - literally told them what their religion was to be - and the various "church leaders" had very little to say in the matter at all...

Yes it is VERY simple when we take these religious blinkers off - Constantine had NO religious agenda at all - his only concern was clearly matters of civil unrest, infighting among these hundred plus new forming religions and factions..He ORDERED them to come together - FORCED them to cooperate - Constantine, basically, ordered the various and seperate "christian sects", and MADE THEM assemble all their sacred texts that their faith(s) were built upon...He then had his own scribes and scholars assemble a unified doctrine from all the texts so presented - a total of 2231 manuscripts - were wittled down and carefully edited to make a complimentary four book "canon narrative" - and thus your modern bible canon was LITERALLY MANUFACTURED TO ORDER and is a TWISTED truth from all those TWO THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY ONE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS . As you cans ee xclearly -your bible is FAR form being His comlete or ORIGINAL truth - is it..??..

Those present at theat assemble - although heads of the various and often vastly different sects - were by no means the equal of the Roman Emporer, neither in power, status or even common intelligence...He fully dominated them, it is clear from all the actual HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS -we know EXACTLY how it played out and how the bible came to exist as WE NOW HAVE IT.. One early church founder, Sabinius the Bishop of Hereclea,was himself in attendance at the famous meeting, and he wrote down the details for the world to see.. He said the following of the Nicea meeting in his first hand eye witness account :

"Excepting Constantine himself and Eusebius Pamphilius, they were a set of illiterate, simple creatures who understood nothing"
(Secrets of the Christian Fathers, Bishop J. W. Sergerus, 1685, 1897 reprint).

See clearly,the leaders of these sects, had no actual input in the formation of the "catholic religion"..They understood nothing of what was occurring, and were merely in attendance with their documents as ordered by the emporer..THEY did not even decide that which was to be included or discarded as doctrine - they had VIRTUALLY NO SAY WHATSOEVER except the basic narrative, as to what was to become their "bible" - that task was given to that man mentioned above - Eusibius, an aide of Constantine himself - his SECRETARY.. Constantine gave him precise and explicit instructions with the aim and agenda clearly stated :

"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of the people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."
(God's Book of Eskra, op. cit., chapter xlviii, paragraph 31)

Understand now..?..Constantine - SICK OF CIVIL WAR AMONG HIS CONQUERED SUBJECTS - ORDERS them to "play nicely" - basically - and gives them NO CHOICE in what was to happen...HIS SCHOLARS decided "christian doctrine" - HIS SCHOLARS manufactured the BIBLE CANON and that is undeniable. This was done for reasons of DOMINATION and CONTROL - FREELY ADMITTED -and again fully undeniable..>HERE is the origin of your bible truth - NOT to be trutsted at all - DEFINATE AGENDA......

 

[PeteC-UK]

What he said was that he didn't agree with the interpretations that they added in the Talmud.

Ah my friend - He ACTUALLY means that their god is entirely SEPERATE and DISTINCT from His Father...Remember - He lays it ALL OUT PLAIN -inthe ORIGINAL gospel of John -ther ecan be no mistake - he speaks of the Father and its SPIRITUAL none physical origins - and alongside He speaks in step by step detail to tell us of this one "yahweh" and how IT got created by mistake....he is VERY CLEAR AND PRECISE - and so when we see then such things as above where he tells them they do NOT KNOW THE FATHER -He is meaning is EXPLICITLY as He has, as said, given the full details elsewhere fully confirming His statements that seem confusing....He IS speaking of an an ENTIRELY SEPERATE TRUTH and the ORIGINAL gospel of John makes that very plain indeed for it lays out EVERYTHING side by side - He said specifically that NO SOUL HERE - not even this "god or its angels " He said have EVER encountered the truth of my Father before.....Let it sink in deep......

Do you really trust HIM - or do you trust still the "bible" with its obvious fraudulant "credentials" and definate MANUFACTURED origin and clearly stated agenda of domination and control..??.. Wise up my friend - I have shown you WHY they deceived you and I have shown you HOW they deceive you......Take those religious blinkers off and step into the Light as they say - HIS is the truth that sets you free...

he said that they were serving Satan but had nothing to do with scripture.

No my friend - He was clear precise and SPECIFIC - He ALWAYS Is - said that ACTUALLY the one they serve IS the "satan" character that is used to make them fearful and dominated so - FATHER OF LIES - HIS words, not mine and yes indeed the RELIGION tells us this "satan" character is who again..?....Lets see now - FATHER OF LIES - one and the same epitaph as it is one and the same entity !! And Christ tells them face to face -their "god" is a LIAR and a MURDERER who DECEIVES them - so look again - WHO ELSE has those SAME IDENTICAL ATTRIBUTES..??..Oh look,its "satan" again - MATCHES the description PERFECTLY - doesnt it..??. YES IT DOES - if you are honest - then you must see Christ just told them clearly their god is a lying murdering deceiver - and THAT is indeed the "satan character" isnt it..??..

Place that startling revelation alongside the FACT that He taught of a COMPLETELY UNKNOWN TRUTH - a COMPLETELY UNKNOWN SPIRIT and said indeed explicitly and specifically that this entire realm was once SEPERATE and ISOLATED from the true Divine, and it all starts to make perfect sense -the reasons for the subterfuge become clear and apparant.....

You forget that he didn't not say the same to Nicodemus who was also in than Sanhedrin. There were others that received Him as Lord and Savior.
Also... You cannot connect the God of the Hebrews of the OT with what people practice individually. When Aaron created the statue of an animal and said "This god delivered you" -- does not equate that YHWY wasn't their God.
You also forget that Jesus quoted the OT.

The first part -TRUE - it is VERY TRUE - His teaching was heard by some - those with ears to hear - others rejected it fully - and this literally fractured the once stable Jewish faith - as said - like a hundred plus different versions of "new truth" arose and immediately Christ followers were persecuted, killed SILENCED - this means all those new forming churches are coming up in confusion already - trying to make sense of foundational JEWISH doctrines and established heritage, with added now, poorly understood, yet UNDENIABLE and NEW truth from Christ.. The RESURRECTION event was a LITERAL event - He ACTUALLY rose again and WAS SEEN DIRECTLY by many many people - THIS is what did for the stable Jewish faith and authority - some had followed Him IN LIFE and trusted Him always and that was bad enough foe their authority so they murdered Him as we know - but this physical and mortal death was actually precisely what our mate Christ ACTUALLY WANTED and vitally NEEDED to happen, so they just played into His own hands really...He all but asks Judas outright to "hand Him iover" - tells Him definately it will be done and needs to be done - tells Judas that this act and His death will lead people to the truth and He knows, MOST will and indeed, did, come to Him AFTER HE ascended - the event being so awesome of course that it persuaded many who previously doubted and they now took Him to be legitimate and Divine...

Out of all the confusion all the infighting and rivalry began - until as we now know Rome eventually steps in as said 35o years olater - and literally dictates and enforces a "new standard religion"....Once again - HERE os the start fo your fraudualnt "bible canon"...

The other points - Aaron created a statue of a BULL - and if you research it backwards it is as offered elesewhere - a symbolic representation of an ANNUNAKI "god" - namely Enlil - which was actually a FLESH AND BLOOD MORTAL BEING sane as You and I - indeed Enlil is one of the TWO brothers whos COMBIINED acts come to represent the "Yahweh" character for as said ALL this Hebrew lore is already ancient history to the OR|IGINAL narrative found in Sumer.....

Yeshua NEVER quoted the old testamant...YOU FORGET my friend that ALL the sayings that are SUPPOSED to be His quotes are now found in the NEW testament, yes..?..Well - look above again - and see Constantine order his scholars to make sure the records match and collaborate - it is a MANUFACTURED BOOK to make it look like there is "harmony" - but as we see it is NOT the truth that CHRIST DELIVERED - and in the ORIGINAL gospels He NEVER quotes the Hebrew lore and HE NEVER shows affiliation to the Hebrew "god" whatsoever... Your NEW testamant us MANUFACTURED to fit a SPECIFIC AGENDA - never forget that - it IS fully admitted... Your NEW testamant says EXACTLY that which they WANT it to say - but even so, occasionally we see Chris truth there also - and it confuses many - such as canon john above and that famous first confrontation - NOT about viewpoints of understanding - but about ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DEITY altogether - NOT my Father at all - everything else He says only enforces and clarifies that truth...

Yes... but your NEW wineskin is different from the God of the Hebrews. You are basically saying that only YOU have the new wineskin and we should listen to YOU. No, I think I will follow Jesus.

Of course it is different - that IS HIS TRUTH...lol....that is WHY they MURDERED HIM !! If He AGREED withthem - if He agreed with THEIR "god" then HE would have been silent wouldnt He..?...Instead, He REPEATEDLY tells peopl such things - HATE your parents -DAMN those pharisee liars - your leaders KNOW NOTHING HE says - AVOID THE TEMPLE HE says - stop all that babbling pagan nonesense - YES..???....

All ways around He is AGAINST the god AND its religion - again UNDENIABLE....So much opposed - so much a direct threat - they MURDER HIM....And yes, LET IT SINK IN - see the manipulation of original truth...You my friend are indeed following "jesus"- but see clearly, that jesus is yet another CHARACTER in a part fiction part truth narrative - your "bible jesus" is a manufactured persona and was NEVER the legitimate Christ - based on a man named YESHUA who IS the Christ and it is HIS truth you need, not that bible half truth version... And no my friend - NOT I - I dont claim ANYTHING here for my Self - merely point you to HIS TRUTH - and yes, VALIDATE it perhaps as I tell you it directly from experience so I know He is legitimate - but rest assured it is HIS truth presented - and I just try to give you the ears to hear clearly....

 

[Clear]

Hi PeteC-UK – I haven’t followed the thread since it left the question of the O.P. but as I started to glance over this page I noticed your comment at the top of this page.

PeteC-UK said (post #61) “…The Judaic religion especially IS DELIBERATE in its efforts to confuse us … because understand,this same "god" also claims to be the ONLY GOD in existance - and yet it openly admits that yes others DO EXIST but we are FORBIDDEN their knowledge..


It is not clear to me what you are saying in this specific claim.
Can you explain your theory that the “Judaic” God forbade knowledge regarding other Gods?
Are you referring to rabbinic prohibitions?

Do you have examples that such knowledge was forbidden by the “Judaic” God that might make your claim more clear?


Clear
ακσεδρω

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Clear; Let me be "clear" - lol - I DONT RELY on ANY "religious material" for the truth here - for as explained above, ALL the "truth" of this god that is accepted now has been forced upon us BY the religion (three religions - one god - all enemies to each other - go figure) - and all through they have indeed forbidden any and all "spiritual practices" EXCEPT those that they themselves have "ordained"...The god, its Angels its priests and its religions have LITERALLY built a self contained trap for the unwary Soul - and once enmeshed within the religious belief, as an integral part of the indoctrinasation process itself, all forms of EXTERNAL spiritual truth are totally cut off from them, prohibited - and even sanctions and punishments given to those who disobey...The "god" and its agents gave us "truth" - CHANGED that truth whenever they saw a need - and will not allow us to go search ANYWHERE that is outside of their ordained version - those who seek such external sources are deemed outcast - heretic - infidel - and this often results in them being tortured or murdered if they will not turn and bow again TO the god and its DICTATED TRUTH...

Right at the start - the Hebrews had the DEATH PENALTY in place for anyone who disobeyed their "god" - such things as animal sacrifice to a different god, got you MURDERED as penalty - prophesy from other sources likewise got you death penalty - as did communing with deceased spirits likewise got you killed - worshipping the specific OTHER "god" Baal - likewise got you the death penalty - see they KNOW OTHER GODS EXIST FOLKS - always have done and they have ALWAYS known it - this is WHY Yahweh forbids you to know them - jealous powermongering - just one "god" among MANY MANY GODS freely admitted !!!

It has ALWAYS been that way for that "god" who declared very openly that it was indeed a jealous god and that we may have "none before it"... Next it changed its approach and its agents hijacked the truth of Christ - twisted that truth again to suit the "gods purpose" and so the "christian religion" formed...IMMEDIATELY - exact same tactics to FORBID all forms of EXTERNAL truth and ENFORCE their own version upon us....The Holy ROMAN EMPIRE set out to eradicate ALL religious truth and gave in its place the "catholic creed" - literally a MANUFACTURED TRUTH thta was then forced upon everyone - with again centuiry after century where this religion hunted down, tortured, murdered any and all who knew or practiced ANY "none catholic" spirituality -it was ALL forbidden hunted down eradicated, "catholic truth" forced upon all in its place....

Then later - due to the commotion with Christ who has NO AFFILIATION to that "god" at all and who warned us clearly what it was doing to us - so the god, cover blown by Christ, now practically ABANDONS the "first chosen" Hebrews and picks again a NEW CHOSEN, Mohamed and Islam....And look closely Folks -again exact same tactic - forbids ALL FORM OF SPIRITUAL PRACTICE yet again, and uses torture viiolence and murder ALWAYS to enforce its dictates and thus KEEP US IGNORANT OF SPIRITUAL TRUTH ALWAYS....The god has said all along - "its ME - MY way - and ONLY my way - if you turn to any other god at all - even attempt to communicate directly - go behind my back or disobey me at all - and I will kill you and condemn you to eternal punishmnet" - I paraphrase of course, but basically - that IS tis truth all the way through its twisted history..

CHRIST tells us OPENLY of the WHOLE HEIRACHY OF CREATION - and look - this one Yahweh - NOT A GOD AT ALL - only an ANGEL - A CREATURE but not the SOURCE Of Creation despite what it claims... We would term it now - an ARCHON - like a very high ranking Angel , but not fully Divine at all, again despite its lies. Christ said there are actually THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY similar Archons = all Created as a Unity - and then this one with Yahweh, created SEPERATE and ISOLATED...The one we call god here once BELIEVED it Self to be supreme He said - but then it learned its truth yet remained unwilling to give up its false authority over us -so Christ came directly to intercede on our behalf....The "god" yahweh has always known it is NOT supreme - even before mankind was created they all became aware of this truth - and yet it falsely claims a DIVINE.siuperiority that it has no just title to hold.. All the way through it has had this agenda of keeping us ignorant of truth - right from Eden and that famous tree of Knowldge - it had its followers MURDER our mate Christ to SILENCE Him - and then through its religions it has literally eradicated and wiped out all other forms of spiritual truth as beast it could, permitted on;y its own doctrines that were FORCED upon us as truth... I remind you all - THREE religions that all hate despise and destroy each other CONTINUALLY - yet all done for the same "one true god"...lol...

We do indeed need to WISE UP - it has been tricking us ALWAYS just as Christ warned - for that warning they kill Him and to keep us ignorant and dominated all this chicanery was done to us ON PURPOSE and BY that god, its Angels and its mortal agents the Priesthood...One god among MANY such EQUAL entities - NOT SUPREME - NOT Divine - NOT Our Father - Christ said it all clearly - for those with ears to hear...

 

[Kenny]

Ah my friend - He ACTUALLY means that their god is entirely SEPERATE and DISTINCT from His Father...Remember - He lays it ALL OUT PLAIN -inthe ORIGINAL gospel of John -ther ecan be no mistake - he speaks of the Father and its SPIRITUAL none physical origins - and alongside He speaks in step by step detail to tell us of this one "yahweh" and how IT got created by mistake....he is VERY CLEAR AND PRECISE - and so when we see then such things as above where he tells them they do NOT KNOW THE FATHER -He is meaning is EXPLICITLY as He has, as said, given the full details elsewhere fully confirming His statements that seem confusing....He IS speaking of an an ENTIRELY SEPERATE TRUTH and the ORIGINAL gospel of John makes that very plain indeed for it lays out EVERYTHING side by side - He said specifically that NO SOUL HERE - not even this "god or its angels " He said have EVER encountered the truth of my Father before.....Let it sink in deep......
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hmmm... he told the disciple that they did know the Father. Not a separate truth but one that the Old Testament declared.

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Do you really trust HIM - or do you trust still the "bible" with its obvious fraudulant "credentials" and definate MANUFACTURED origin and clearly stated agenda of domination and control..??.. Wise up my friend - I have shown you WHY they deceived you and I have shown you HOW they deceive you......Take those religious blinkers off and step into the Light as they say - HIS is the truth that sets you free....

Yes... his does but yours doesn't. The only one manufacturing here is what you add. (Specifically declares not to add to scriptures)

No my friend - He was clear precise and SPECIFIC - He ALWAYS Is - said that ACTUALLY the one they serve IS the "satan" character that is used to make them fearful and dominated so - FATHER OF LIES - HIS words, not mine and yes indeed the RELIGION tells us this "satan" character is who again..?....Lets see now - FATHER OF LIES - one and the same epitaph as it is one and the same entity !! And Christ tells them face to face -their "god" is a LIAR and a MURDERER who DECEIVES them - so look again - WHO ELSE has those SAME IDENTICAL ATTRIBUTES..??..Oh look,its "satan" again - MATCHES the description PERFECTLY - doesnt it..??. YES IT DOES - if you are honest - then you must see Christ just told them clearly their god is a lying murdering deceiver - and THAT is indeed the "satan character" isnt it..??..
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Yes.. Satan is the Father of lies... but not the scriptures.

Place that startling revelation alongside the FACT that He taught of a COMPLETELY UNKNOWN TRUTH - a COMPLETELY UNKNOWN SPIRIT and said indeed explicitly and specifically that this entire realm was once SEPERATE and ISOLATED from the true Divine, and it all starts to make perfect sense -the reasons for the subterfuge become clear and apparant......

No.. not an unknown Spirit or Truth for Jesus said "Abraham saw my day" and again " Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: “ ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’"

Thus your statement does not have truth in it.

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Out of all the confusion all the infighting and rivalry began - until as we now know Rome eventually steps in as said 35o years olater - and literally dictates and enforces a "new standard religion"....Once again - HERE os the start fo your fraudualnt "bible canon"...
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Nope. What started here was what was adde--traditions of men, not scripture.

The other points - Aaron created a statue of a BULL - and if you research it backwards it is as offered elesewhere - a symbolic representation of an ANNUNAKI "god" - namely Enlil - which was actually a FLESH AND BLOOD MORTAL BEING sane as You and I - indeed Enlil is one of the TWO brothers whos COMBIINED acts come to represent the "Yahweh" character for as said ALL this Hebrew lore is already ancient history to the OR|IGINAL narrative found in Sumer......

you missed the point.

Yeshua NEVER quoted the old testamant...YOU FORGET my friend that ALL the sayings that are SUPPOSED to be His quotes are now found in the NEW testament, yes..?..

No... these ARE the saying of Jesus. What this spirit has said to you is SUPPOSED to have been from Jesus. I personally don't want another religion.

Well - look above again - and see Constantine order his scholars to make sure the records match and collaborate - it is a MANUFACTURED BOOK to make it look like there is "harmony" -

Hmmm... no! We KNOW that the documents we have were written BEFORE Constantine ever existed.

I stopped here because it is just more of the same.

My last statement proves you are on a faulty foundation. You say Constantine manufactured the book. He lived in the 4th century. We have PROOF that the book we have were written in the 1st century before Constantine was born. Thus your whole foundation is a lie and Satan is the father of lies. So I can't accept what you say.

 

[Clear]

PeteC-UK said (post #61) “…"god" also claims to be the ONLY GOD in existance - and yet it openly admits that yes others DO EXIST but we are FORBIDDEN their knowledge..
Clear asked PeteC-UK : "Can you explain your theory that the “Judaic” God forbade knowledge regarding other Gods? Are you referring to rabbinic prohibitions?
Do you have examples that such knowledge was forbidden by the “Judaic” God that might make your claim more clear? " (post #76)
PeteC-UK responded in post #77 "Clear; Let me be "clear" - lol - I DONT RELY on ANY "religious material" for the truth here" (post #77)



Hi PeteC-UK :

By claiming that the "Judaic" God forbade knowledge of other Gods, you are making a historical claim.

Am I to understand by your reply, that you are creating a historical theory without referencing a single historical textual source??? If you admit that you have no data, no texts, no "religious material" and no historical evidence that this specific theory is actually correct, then this deficiency undermines your theory.

What motive would anyone interested in correct historical information have for accepting this unusual and illogical specific claim if it has no supporting historical data?

Do you see the problem of making a patently irrational historical claim without at least some sort of supporting historical data?

Clear
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[Kenny]

Clear asked PeteC-UK : "Can you explain your theory that the “Judaic” God forbade knowledge regarding other Gods? Are you referring to rabbinic prohibitions?
Do you have examples that such knowledge was forbidden by the “Judaic” God that might make your claim more clear? " (post #76)
PeteC-UK responded in post #77 "Clear; Let me be "clear" - lol - I DONT RELY on ANY "religious material" for the truth here" (post #77)



Hi PeteC-UK : By claiming that the "Judaic" God forbade knowledge of other Gods, you are entering the realm of a historical claim. Am I to understand by your reply, that you are creating a historical theory without a historical textual source??

If you admit that you have no data, no texts, no "religious material" and no historical evidence that this specific theory is actually correct, then this is a problem which undermines your theory.

What motive would anyone interested in correct historical information have for accepting this unusual and illogical specific claim if it has no supporting historical data?

Do you see the problem of making a patently irrational historical claim without at least some sort of supporting historical data?

Clear
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I've said just as much but to no avail.