jesus and his disciple

[alishan]

hi

how many disciple had Jesus ? is only the 12 apostle who beleaved in him?or more?
thenks

 

[alishan]

what was the name of the 12?

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

Simon (Peter)
Andrew
James
John
Philip
Bartholomew
Thomas
Mattew
James (Son of Alphaeus)
Thaddaeus
Simon (the canaanite)
Judas Iscariot
Matthias (Replaced Judas Iscariot in Acts 1)

It is important not to mix up what the words "disciple" and "apostle" mean.
More than just the 12 believed Him. There were the 12, there were the women, there were the 70 that got sent out (Luke 10,) and there were the 120 in the upper room (Acts 1.) There was some overlap between these groups.

 

[alishan]

so about how many people around Jesus, 200?

but i have heard that the 4 of the evangil bible matthew john luc and mark didn't meet Jesus

so the john of your list is it the john of the 4 evangil bibles?

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

Lots of people were around Jesus. At one time there were 5000 men, not counting women and children. Whether all these people were actually disciples, apostles, both or neither is unclear.

The author of Matthew (Matthew) is the same as Matthew the disciple.
Mark (who wrote the book of Mark) was not one of the 12.
Luke (who wrote the book of Luke) was not one of the 12.
John (who wrote the book of John, 1 John, 2 John 3 John and Revelation) is the same as John the disciple. NB this is not the same John as John the baptist.

 

[alishan]

so 2 of the 4 author was disciple so have lived with jesus isn t it?

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

Matthew and John definitely were. There is not enough evidence to say either way whether Mark and Luke actually met Jesus or not, all that can be said for certain is that Mark and Luke weren't numbered among the 12. It's possible (but not provable) that they were among the 70 and 120.

 

[alishan]

i see that many disciple of jesus didn t marry

how many among the thousands had a family?

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

how many among the thousands had a family?

I suppose reading the results of the census from Caeser Augustus could potentially help, but the Bible doesn't give a precise figure. It just says "And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. " It doesn't mention who among them was married and had kids etc, they are just referred to as "a great multitude." Whether some or all of those 5000 were actually disciples, or apostles, or both, or neither is questionable.

 

[alishan]

thanks

and among the 12? all monks? did they marry the 12?

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

and among the 12? all monks? did they marry the 12?

Please clarify what you're asking here. Are you wanting to know if the 12 were all monks? I'd say they were apostles, but maybe you and I have different ideas about what a monk is. Or are you asking if they had familes? A couple of them were brothers and were of the same family. Or are you asking if monks married the 12?

Assuming that you're asking about whether any of the 12 were married:
Matthew writes about Peter being married. The Bible doesn't say whether the other 11 were or not. I've heard that some early church writings (not the Bible) suggest that all the rest except for John were married, but the Bible itself only mentions Peter's "wife's mother" and Jesus healing her. Based on that, my answer would be: Peter was married, the other 11 may have been, but it's not certain.

I'd suggest you read the 4 gospels and Acts if you want to know more about the 12. You'll get a much clearer picture than I can give you.

 

[alishan]

yes perfect ok thanks

 

[alishan]

and what is the difference of the 12 apostle and the 72 or 120 disciple?

are the 12 the top disciple?

 

[alishan]

matthew chapter 7 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 7.14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

did jésus have two kind of teaching? one for the general and one for his top disciple?

because this sentence seems to be for spiritual elite

thanks

 

[Bob Dixon]

matthew chapter 7 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 7.14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

did jésus have two kind of teaching? one for the general and one for his top disciple?

because this sentence seems to be for spiritual elite

thanks

Some Christian sects (some forms of Gnosticism, for example) believe that Jesus had some secret teachings that the common people didn't learn, that only the disciples learned.
While this is definitely possible, the core of his teachings is in what he taught openly. Also, in John 18:20, I think, he says that he has said nothing in secret, so that could certainly be used to support the view that there were no secret teachings. There are, however, teachings that have been lost; at the end of the Gospel of John, John says that Jesus did (and said, by implication) many more things than any book could hold.

and what is the difference of the 12 apostle and the 72 or 120 disciple?

are the 12 the top disciple?

Yes, the 12 are the "top disciples", in a way. They followed Jesus around from place to place and were constantly learning from him. The other disciples learned from Jesus, too, but they didn't have as big a presence in the Gospels because they didn't do as much.

Hope I answered your questions!

 

[alishan]

yes very good

can you give me some gnostic 's name that think that Jésus gave a secret teaching?

and i have heard that 5000 people followed Jésus in total, so what is the difference between the 72 and the 5000? what was the teaching to the 5000?

thanks

you should see the teaching of spiritual master of hindouism and especially islamic sufism it 's the same relation and the same word as jésus and his apostle
"iam the door Of God" is very often taught by sufi master to his disciple
it s just mystic , spiritual vocabulary , it's the same

like sport vocabulary , soccer, tennis, rugby have same vocabulary and teaching
so that two sportmen from two different sport should understand each other better
than for example a sportman and a journalist of the same sport.

 

[Bob Dixon]

Alishan, why don't you take a look at the Gospels and read them?
They have some pretty good French translations, you know.

 

[alishan]

no it s just i like religious comparison but my time is not enought
so i ask specialist of each religion

and my religion i have choose it already : its Islam.

thanks

if you can ask my question thanks