Jesus as an antithesis to Passover

[Rival]

It is the remembrance that is important not whether it is leavened or unleavened bread or wine of grape juice or orange juice.
I go to an Anglican church and we have either wine or grape juice and usually pieces of leavened bread.
The High Church of England (high Anglicans) have gone the same way that the RC Church has and believes they can change bread and wine into Jesus body and blood and that is because when the Anglican Church began, there ended up ordained Bishops of the Catholic Church who became or were forced to become Anglican and so they are seen as having the power that the Catholic Bishops have and to ordain priests who can do what the Catholic priests are said to do with the bread and wine.

Yes, Anglicans are wishy-washy these days; but following the unleavened bread with real wine has historically been the practice. As has belief in transubstantiation if one believes it. Anglicanism makes room for these beliefs but there are Traditions, as well.

 

[Brian2]

I presume by "manna" you are referring to Mon. Psalm 78 talks about Mon as a grain of heaven and a meal of heroes (avirim is the Hebrew word -- it does not mean angels).

OK thanks for that.

 

[Brian2]

because they both had holes poked in them?

Ah yes that is something that the link I posted says. (reminiscent of the piercing of Jesus Zech 12:10 and the stripes on the Matzah reminiscent of the stripes by which we are healed Isa 53:5) I don't make up this symbolism I just see how some Christians view the Matzah and other aspects of the Passover meal. Probably this symbolism comes from those Jews who have become Christians and still do Passover and want to see it both as a remembrance of the flight from Egypt as well as a remembrance of Jesus and His death and resurrection.
It seems that the hiding of the Matzah for kids to look for and find as a treasure is seen as the resurrection of Jesus, the treasure that should be found.

 

[Brian2]

Yes, Anglicans are wishy-washy these days; but following the unleavened bread with real wine has historically been the practice. As has belief in transubstantiation if one believes it. Anglicanism makes room for these beliefs but there are Traditions, as well.

Interestingly when I was a Catholic it was only the priest who had the wine even though the NT says that we should drink the blood of Jesus also. I guess it's something they do because of the possible spread of disease using the same cup and/or the potential for an alcoholic to be drawn back to drink.

 

[rosends]

Ah yes that is something that the link I posted says. (reminiscent of the piercing of Jesus Zech 12:10 and the stripes on the Matzah reminiscent of the stripes by which we are healed Isa 53:5) I don't make up this symbolism I just see how some Christians view the Matzah and other aspects of the Passover meal. Probably this symbolism comes from those Jews who have become Christians and still do Passover and want to see it both as a remembrance of the flight from Egypt as well as a remembrance of Jesus and His death and resurrection.
It seems that the hiding of the Matzah for kids to look for and find as a treasure is seen as the resurrection of Jesus, the treasure that should be found.

were I a Christian, I feel I would be in better shape because of all the stretching I would be doing.

 

[Rival]

Interestingly when I was a Catholic it was only the priest who had the wine even though the NT says that we should drink the blood of Jesus also. I guess it's something they do because of the possible spread of disease using the same cup and/or the potential for an alcoholic to be drawn back to drink.

When I attended the RCC everyone was given wine, iirc. However, it is a tradition in the RCC that the laity only takes the bread. This is even more than usual, by the way, as most folks did not take Communion at all in the Middle Ages. They had it once a year at Easter. This was by choice. The Priests wanted them to take it more often but the laity would just refuse. For them, seeing the elevated Host was enough.

Why Does Only the Priest Receive from the Chalice? | Catholic Answers

"Receiving Holy Communion at all became rare. Even from the time of late antiquity people had developed such a sense of awe about the Eucharist that they avoided receiving it.

During the Middle Ages they preferred to commune by gazing at the consecrated host as it was held up after the words of consecration. Later in the period this desire to see and adore the Blessed Sacrament led to the practice of Exposition and Benediction."

The Middle Ages | Together At One Altar

 

[Brian2]

were I a Christian, I feel I would be in better shape because of all the stretching I would be doing.

Mentally maybe, but I find it still hard to stick to a routine of stretches given a therapist I am going to for my back.

 

[Brian2]

When I attended the RCC everyone was given wine, iirc. However, it is a tradition in the RCC that the laity only takes the bread. This is even more than usual, by the way, as most folks did not take Communion at all in the Middle Ages. They had it once a year at Easter. This was by choice. The Priests wanted them to take it more often but the laity would just refuse. For them, seeing the elevated Host was enough.

Why Does Only the Priest Receive from the Chalice? | Catholic Answers

"Receiving Holy Communion at all became rare. Even from the time of late antiquity people had developed such a sense of awe about the Eucharist that they avoided receiving it.

During the Middle Ages they preferred to commune by gazing at the consecrated host as it was held up after the words of consecration. Later in the period this desire to see and adore the Blessed Sacrament led to the practice of Exposition and Benediction."

The Middle Ages | Together At One Altar

All interesting stuff if you are into that sort of thing. I guess I must be.

 

[Flankerl]

(Isa 53:10)

Yes I know that Christians are incapable of reading chapter after chapter and instead just jump in and out of the text whenever they please.

Jesus was allowing Himself to be sacrificed

I am afraid that's a no no unless the Romans were forcing him to murder someone, pray to an idol or seduce his immediate relatives.
Granted I am only doing this for entertainment, I realise Christians can't read the Tanakh.

 

[stvdv]

Welcome to my world. This is typically what Jews think of Christians who try to read Jesus into every verse in Tanach

I can understand Christians doing that

New Testament is from God
Old Testament is from God
So it should match a bit

And I love to see Unity in Diversity

I would be totally fine if Christians try to read Jesus into every verse my Master graced us with.

The moment we accept each other's Scripture as valid Book of God, peace on earth is about to start

 

[metis]

That's the thing, though. Jesus, according to the NT, didn't die any other day. He either died on Passover Eve or Passover itself. When come Passover, the Israelites were hurried. Jesus did not hurry when come Passover.

It likely was on Preparation Day for Pesach, which would explain why he was taken down before sundown.

 

[metis]

Well, it's an animal.

Symbolism is involved as a sort of theological construct, I do believe, thus a comparison that should not be taken literally.

 

[metis]

But Jesus said nothing, much to Pilate's surprise.

But who was supposedly there to listen?

Sorry, but I just had to play devil's advocate. My bad.

 

[Harel13]

Symbolism is involved as a sort of theological construct, I do believe, thus a comparison that should not be taken literally.

Is that still the case for the bit of my post you quoted?

 

[metis]

Whoever thinks that clearly has never eaten matzah in their life...

I use it for replacing shingles.

Had it today for lunch with charoset & horseradish, btw.

 

[metis]

Is that still the case for the bit of my post you quoted?

Well, I can't speak for all or most Christians, but that's my take. Drawing comparisons, as you well know, is very "Jewish", and also I'm very far from being a scriptural literalist.

 

[Harel13]

charoset

Ben & Jerry's used to make Charoset ice cream for Pesach in Israel. It might sound yucky, but it was pretty awesome. But they discontinued it...

 

[Harel13]

Well, I can't speak for all or most Christians, but that's my take.

So I don't understand what your comment had to do with the bit of my post you were replying to. Could you clarify?

 

[metis]

Ben & Jerry's used to make Charoset ice cream for Pesach in Israel. It might sound yucky, but it was pretty awesome. But they discontinued it...

What was in it?

BTW, I really miss the falafel stands there, and one of my favorite restaurants was in the Muslim quarter of the Old City. Fortunately, where I live (Detroit area), we have plenty of Middle Eastern restaurants, but unfortunately kosher restaurants are becoming rare.

How about you?

 

[metis]

So I don't understand what your comment had to do with the bit of my post you were replying to. Could you clarify?

Just that when drawing symbolic parallels, exactness is not necessary. Is this basically what you were asking, or is there something I'm missing here?