Jesus beleived in destiny?

[AdamEve]

Jesus made many predictions of what would happen in the future.
Those predictions included many people.
Does that mean that they have no free will and if Jesus predicted fall of Jerusalem then he knew what all those thousends people involed would exactly do without them being able to act differently?

He also predicted that Juda will betray him.
Doesn't that mean that Juda was destened to do that, that he didn't have free will to choose to betray or not to betray?
If so maybe he couldn't decide on anything else but everything that he will do was foretold?

If something is predictable that means it is defined by present state exactly what physics teaches us and there is no free will. How can something be predictable if there is free will, unless free will is predictable in which case it is not free will.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

It could have been a form of suggestion or enchantment, and Jesus was simply causing things to occur by "predicting" they would. In that case he was merely creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

In western (primarily Abrahamic) religions, it's a point of contention between free will and God's omniscience. Prophecy seems to put a damper on the idea of free will. Today, philosophers and scientists are starting to see that free will doesn't really exist. In Buddhism, we believe in karma, but not like in Hinduism. To Buddhists, karma is not equated with fate. We believe that our past karma helps determine our present circumstances and mindset, but we also believe it can be changed, implying a sort of limited free will, if you want to call it that. In western philosophy, this idea is called compatibilism, where free will and determinism can co-exist, and was first championed by David Hume.

 

[not nom]

Remember, time might very well be merely a property of the universe ( Spacetime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ).. anyone "beyond" it might very well be able to see all of history at once. Then it's just a matter of God phoning that stuff in to Jesus if you will ^^

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

While I believe that the concept of time is purely man-made, the actuality of time is just the way gravity works on matter. You cannot have time without matter and motion.

 

[AdamEve]

In western philosophy, this idea is called compatibilism, where free will and determinism can co-exist, and was first championed by David Hume.

How can they coexist? By definitin Laws physics are valid for everything at any point in time.
There is no time and place where laws oh phicis are not valid so that free will could take its place. Those that defend free will never say anything on how it works or how it breaks laws of phisics.
I'll have to take a look at this compatibilism theory but i imagine it will only make me puke like all those other theories which are just wishfull thinking and withou absolutly any kind of content to back them up.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

In compatibilism, the idea of free will is redefined, as to make it fit with determinism. Free will is not understood in this school as it is in schools that espouse free will against determinism.

 

[Sleeppy]

God knows everything at all times. He knows the possibility for every will at every time.. He provided their places and times as well?