jesus christ

[David T]

why fantasy? and understanding his teachings isn't impossible.

It was for 12 dudes who walked directly with him for 4 years while he was alive!. Protestant evangelical saints are intellectual inbreds scholars and theologians. A joke. At least the catholics have some cool saints to balance out the stupidity. 30,000 denominations really? Really? Really? It's just chaos pretending. If I listened to you I would become carl nietztche. Insane.

 

[Aldrnari]

the difference is that jesus died for our sins.

What is a sin? It is a transgression against God, isn't it?

So god died to save people from god's laws and from a fate that god created (hell). Hmmm....

 

[metis]

why people deny jesus christ?

For the same reason why people deny Brahma and Mohammed.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

the difference is that jesus died for our sins.

And Heracles defeated several gods in combat.

Edit: how do you get from "the story says Jesus died for our sins" to "we ought to accept the story as true"?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

his teachings. what about denying his teachings?

I deny all teachings that doesnt help me spiritually from Wiccan, Quran, Scientology, Bible, so forth.

What does the bible have that I cannot obtain through the path I follow?

Cant be god. Many religions have god.

Cant be salvations. Many religions have concepts of salvation.

Cant be love and kindness. Many religions if not all teach this.

Cant be dependent on scripture. There are more than thousands of The Buddha's teachings. He has direct instructions for every situation man has been in. Very well spoken in both analogy and directness.

Why would I Not deny the bible?

 

[dfnj]

why people deny jesus christ?

Jesus was a great Jewish rabbi with very good teachings. The whole Paulinity part of Christianity is questionable.

“If someone preaches another Jesus different from the one we preach…if you receive a different gospel from the one you accepted…I think that I am not in the least inferior to these superlative apostles” - 2 Corinthians 11:4-5

Note Paul's sarcastic derision of Jesus' apostles as “superlative”. More importantly his reference to receiving a “different gospel” in the above verse is quite instructive, for there were indeed numerous gospels (over 50) in early Christianity before Emperor Constantine compelled the Church elders at the second Council of Nicea (325 AD) to arbitrarily select the four that are now included in the standardized Christian Bible.

There are some people who believe the Gospel was a type of propaganda created by the Romans. There are very strange parallels between the life of Jesus and the life of Moses. But the events that occur in the Gospel correspond to Roman military events. It's a really strange theory but there's lots of supporting evidence based on all the amazing coincidences. Most people just attack the author because they can't handle the truth (if it is truth):

My personal problem with Christianity is I don't like how people idol worship the words of the Bible. The whole religion and the people who practice it do not seem genuine to me. They talk about love but embrace war and hate. They talk about loving their enemies while they are okay with thousands of bombs being dropped in the Middle East every year. I don't think Christianity is a serious religion. I think it is more like people rooting for an NFL football team. It's a lot of bravado and chest stomping religion. And you don't think Jesus is the best you going to burn in Hell. I'm not big on hateful threats. My faith is a God on unconditional love who would never participate in the greatest possible cruel and unusual punishment. I think the way many people worship Jesus as a false idol. There is only one all-powerful all-loving God and that God is God spelled G-o-d.

 

[BSM1]

And Heracles defeated several gods in combat.

Edit: how do you get from "the story says Jesus died for our sins" to "we ought to accept the story as true"?

Herc's da man...

 

[Rival]

esus was a great Jewish rabbi

Don't mean to nitpick, but he wasn't a rabbi, just an itinerant preacher.

 

[Araceli Cianna]

For me, personally, bad associations. I was raised in an abusive religious household, and I experienced a negative perception of all things Christianity. As I've matured though I've realised Jesus is not all those bad things... but the hesitation is still pretty strong. He doesn't seem to mind that I'm pagan now and worship other deities too... he just wants me to let him love me. To be receptive to his kindness and compassion to heal those hurts. I am slowly coming around and letting it happen. He is really amazing when you get to know him. It's just sad that the religion of Christianity has left a bad taste in so much of the world's populations... he is known more for things like persecution and wars than the message of love that he truly taught. Because Christianity has done that to his image, but it's not who he is at all. There definitely needs to be a separation between the religion and the person of Christ. It should be a relationship, and every relationship is unique (in my case, the uniqueness is that he's not the only deity I work with).

 

[dfnj]

Herc's da man...

Sorry, nobody beats Gilgamesh. He's the man's man of all mythology:

GILGAMESH went abroad in the world, but he met with none who could withstand his arms till be came to Uruk. But the men of Uruk muttered in their houses, ‘Gilgamesh sounds the tocsin for his amusement, his arrogance has no bounds by day or night. No son is left with his father, for Gilgamesh takes them all, even the children; yet the king should be a shepherd to his people. His lust leaves no virgin to her lover, neither the warrior's daughter nor the wife of the noble; yet this is the shepherd of the city, wise, comely, and resolute.'

Yet the king should be a shepherd to his people!

 

[David T]

I can only speak for myself...

Not worshiping Jesus as a god isn't denying him, it just isn't holding him up the way Christians do. I do still, as a former Christian, read the bible, and I still find wisdom in it from time to time. That said, now I also read the Zend Avesta, the Hávamál (and the sagas), local Salish Legends, and I plan on delving into the Vedas when I get the time. When I was a Christian, I was constantly told to constrict my views onto Jesus and to just ignore everything else. Never ask the big questions, or have any doubts.

Now, I see Christians I know terrified that non Christian family and friends will be tormented forever when they are cast into hell, that God is angry with America (and the world in general), how people are all so wicked and vile, and how he is going to end it all soon enough.

I can't help but remember Matthew 11:30, and wonder just how light that burden is, since it felt so heavy when it was on my own shoulders. Now that I haven't been carrying it, I feel happier than I ever had before, and actually free to pursue the things in my life that I have always had a passion for without any guilt.

That said, many of the Christian folks on this forum are great, and are open minded and honest people. Perhaps if I had been around similar people in my life, I wouldn't have been so burnt out on Christianity.

Yes indeed many of them are cool especially a lot of dead ones real gems in the dead. They are in fact Annoyingly normal pretending they aren't is how I understand Christianity. Functionally Crazy in fact but hell that's normal. Right handed people.....

 

[Jainarayan]

the difference is that jesus died for our sins.

That's a belief, not a provable fact. There's no historical evidence outside of the gospels to support any of it. Some people believe it, others don't. I don't, but that doesn't negate what he (or those writing in his name) taught. Homer is believed to have been a fictitious writer, a conglomeration. but that doesn't negate the work "he" left us.

 

[Jainarayan]

Herc's da man...

Herc! Herc! He's our man!
If he can't club you no one can!

 

[Aldrnari]

Sorry, nobody beats Gilgamesh. He's the man's man of all mythology:



Yet the king should be a shepherd to his people!

Herc = 1/2 god
Gilgamesh = 2/3 god

Check and mate.

 

[Skwim]

you mean, why accept him? because of his teachings.

Exactly which of his teachings helped convince you to accept him as the one and only savor of your soul? I assume you looked into the teachings of all the other great religious figures and have found them wanting. That about it?

and many christians are deeply moved because of his crucifixion for our sins.

Many people were also moved by Adolph Hitler's promise to give them a better life and rid the country of Jews, gypsies, and communists. So what is it, you simply tag along with the crowd?

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[Epic Beard Man]

why people deny jesus christ?

2:136 We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them . . .

3:52 When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?"

3:59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam . . .

4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

5:17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary.

5:46 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

6:85 And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous.

42:13 The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah-the which We have sent by inspiration to thee-and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

I think there is sufficient evidence here to think Muslims accept Jesus.

 

[David1967]

Why do you deny Heracles?

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[9-10ths_Penguin]

?

Greek demi-god. Killed a lot of people. Did 12 renowned labours.

What makes Jesus more compelling than Heracles? Where do you set your bar so that Jesus clears it but Heracles doesn’t?

 

[BSM1]

Greek demi-god. Killed a lot of people. Did 12 renowned labours.

What makes Jesus more compelling than Heracles? Where do you set your bar so that Jesus clears it but Heracles doesn’t?

Change water into wine...

 

[RedDragon94]

why people deny jesus christ?

I believe it's because people hate him and what he stands for. Jesus stands for nonreligious, spiritual truth. Everybody has their traditions that they worship rather than God even if they don't know it. Bottom line: No one seeks God. Otherwise, why would they have killed him? They had no reason. The religious people accused him of blasphemy, which would have been true had Jesus not been God. But the resurrection proves the very fact Jesus was God.