Jesus' Four Failed Prophecies About Him Returning In The Lifetimes Of His Apostles

[Trailblazer]

"Baha'u'llah was all for Christ", says Tb.

But B. was not all for the true Christ. He was not for Christ, the second Person of the Trinity.

That would be more competition than B. could handle.

There is no competition because Jesus was not God.
That is clearly proven by reading the Bible.

#1801 Trailblazer

Baha'u'llah is not in competition with Jesus because they were both the same Spirit of God.
Only in the minds of some Christians is Baha'u'llah in competition with Jesus.

 

[Trailblazer]

The cross is the centre of the world's history; the incarnation of Christ and the crucifixion of our Lord are the pivot round which all the events of the ages revolve. The testimony of Christ was the spirit of prophecy, and the growing power of Jesus is the spirit of history.
Alexander MacLaren

Go tell that to a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Jew, or a Muslim.
History took a new turn what the Bab and Baha'u'llah showed up, and from here on in and for the next 500,000 years all history will be under the shadow of Baha'u'llah.

The coming of Baha'u'llah was the greatest event in human history, second only to the coming of Christ. The 'reason' that it was the greatest event in human history is because it is the fulfillment of all the promises from past religions, including the fulfillment of all the Bible prophecies.

That won't be believed by very many people for a long time, but as Jesus said....

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

“The Book of God is wide open, and His Word is summoning mankind unto Him. No more than a mere handful, however, hath been found willing to cleave to His Cause, or to become the instruments for its promotion. These few have been endued with the Divine Elixir that can, alone, transmute into purest gold the dross of the world, and have been empowered to administer the infallible remedy for all the ills that afflict the children of men. No man can obtain everlasting life, unless he embraceth the truth of this inestimable, this wondrous, and sublime Revelation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 18

B. did not do what Christ did because he could not. He could not because he was a man. A man with delusions of grandeur, but only a man.

Baha'u'llah did not do what Jesus did because it was already done.

Jesus will not be coming back to do what Baha'u'llah already did because it's been done.

Jesus was a Manifestation of God, not God, and Baha'u'llah was also a Manifestation of God. They had different missions on earth but other than that they were equal in every way. Both of them could do and did do miracles.

The Christian Dispensation is history. It ended when Muhammad appeared, and the Dispensation of Muhammad ended when Baha'ullah appeared. The divine ordering of the affairs of the world is now through Baha'u'llah.

Dispensation

1. the divine ordering of the affairs of the world.
2. an appointment, arrangement, or favor, as by God.
3. a divinely appointed order or age:

e.g. the old Mosaic, or Jewish, dispensation; the new gospel, or Christian, dispensation.

Definition of dispensation | Dictionary.com

 

[samtonga43]

There is no competition because Jesus was not God. That is clearly proven by reading the Bible.

No, it is not. And there you go again with the word 'proven'. Do you really think that if you say it is proven it is therefore a fact? You would like it to be 'clearly proven', but you're wrong. And you are wrong because you use eisegesis rather than exegesis as your method of interpretation. Eisegesis reads into the text what the interpreter wishes to find or thinks she finds there. It expresses the reader's own subjective ideas, not the meaning which is in the text. You do this a lot, Tb. The following may help you.

Baha'u'llah is not in competition with Jesus because they were both the same Spirit of God.
Only in the minds of some Christians is Baha'u'llah in competition with Jesus.

LOL! I have to tell you, Tb, that an ordinary man, no matter how egocentric, how deluded, cannot make himself God. This would be like creating a married bachelor.[/QUOTE]

 

[samtonga43]

No wishful thinking necessary....Proven by your own Bible verses coupled with what Baha'u'llah wrote in His own pen, when He came and what He did on His mission.
I suggest you bone up on your Bible verses.

I suggest you bone up on the nature of proof.

 

[actsfourthirty]

Baha'u'llah was all for Christ. This is what Baha'u'llah wrote about Him, ending with this:
"Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him."

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.

Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised. We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 85-86

sorry I was busy
Where were we

 

[samtonga43]

Are you afraid of finding out the truth about it? You can still reject it, but at least you would be rejecting what it is rather than what it isn't. If you really wanted to know the truth about the Baha'i Faith, you would consult Baha'i sources.

Another false assumption! Can you see it? Is there no end to this irrationality?

 

[Trailblazer]

sorry I was busy
Where were we

I don't remember, just pick it up wherever you want to.

 

[Trailblazer]

No, it is not. And there you go again with the word 'proven'. Do you really think that if you say it is proven it is therefore a fact? You would like it to be 'clearly proven',

It can be clearly demonstrated by a myriad Bible verses that Jesus is not God. That is a false doctrine that was voted upon at the Council of Nicaea and thereafter people believed it and it got passed down through the generations. But as time went on some Christians dropped the belief, realizing it is illogical.

but you're wrong. And you are wrong because you use eisegesis rather than exegesis as your method of interpretation. Eisegesis reads into the text what the interpreter wishes to find or thinks she finds there. It expresses the reader's own subjective ideas, not the meaning which is in the text. You do this a lot, Tb. The following may help you.

I could say the same thing to you . You read meaning which is in the text, but why would it matter what I say? You believe Jesus is God and I do not want to argue about it because neither one of us will ever change our beliefs.
Just keep saying that Jesus is God, do you think I care? I know that Jesus is not God so why would it matter to me what you believe? I have no interest in convincing anyone of anything. If people sincerely want to know what believe and why I believe it I will explain it, because that is my job.

LOL! I have to tell you, Tb, that an ordinary man, no matter how egocentric, how deluded, cannot make himself God. This would be like creating a married bachelor.

When did I say that a man made himself God?

That's right, no man can make himself God because a man cannot become God, but if he did then he would be God and not a man. Conversely, God cannot become a man because then God would be a man and not God.

Only Christianity has a belief that Jesus was fully man and fully God. That is patently illogical. Nobody can be fully God and fully man at the same time. The belief is too ridiculous to even talk about. The only reason Christians NEED to believe it is so they can TRY to claim superiority over all the other religions. But the other religious believers don't give a twit because they know it is nonsense, so you are left alone feeling so superior.

But a man can be part God and part man, as Baha'is believe Jesus was, making Him different order of creation. There is nothing ridiculous about that and it is perfectly logical because it explains why Jesus would understand God and humans and be the perfect mediator between God and man.

I suggest that you read this post because maybe you are more likely to believe what a Christian says:

#682 Soapy, 3 minutes ago

 

[Trailblazer]

Another false assumption! Can you see it? Is there no end to this irrationality?

If you think it is false why not just tell me what is true? Why the labeling and obfuscation?

Do you want to know the truth about the Baha'i Faith or are you just trying to prove it is a false religion? If you want to know the truth, why haven't you consulted Baha'i sources? Do you really think you are going to get the truth from detractors? How utterly illogical.

I am not up for any more of these games, I want straightforward honest communication. Otherwise I am done responding.

 

[samtonga43]

Intuition and things you said led me to think that you believe some of what Cole said... Am I right?.

No, you're wrong. I am still investigating.

They do, and I have a right to leave their forums

Of course. That’s how things work in forums.

What's your point? Why the emphasis? Are you implying something?

I am implying nothing. I am pointing out the difference between your two contrasting statements
1. I wanted to learn more about Christianity and have discussions with Christians about my beliefs”.
and
2. I was discussing their beliefs and my beliefs.

We are unified in out beliefs. For example, all Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah was a Manifestation of God, unlike Christianity whose adherents believe different things about Jesus. Some Christians believe that Jesus is God and part of a Trinity and other Christians don't believe Jesus was God. All Baha'is believe in the same afterlife whereas Christians are all over the board regarding the afterlife; some Christians believe that will live forever in heaven and some Christians believe they willl live forever on earth. Therse are just some examples.

Modalists believe that Jesus is ‘part of a Trinity’. Orthodox Christians believe in Triunity. Modalism is generally considered to be a heresy.
Tell me, who are the Christians who believe they will live forever on earth?

What I mean by liberal and conservative is that some Baha'is are more liberal in how they think about some of the Bahai laws and others are more conservative, but nevertheless we all recognize the laws are for our own protection and we all try to adhere to them.

What will happen if you disobey these ‘laws’?

 

[samtonga43]

Do you want to know the truth about the Baha'i Faith or are you just trying to prove it is a false religion? If you want to know the truth, why haven't you consulted Baha'i sources?

You are again assuming that I have not consulted Baha'i sources.You are mistaken.

Do you really think you are going to get the truth from detractors? How utterly illogical.

Oh, I don’t think it’s illogical at all. My aim is to gather together ALL views of this religion. ‘For and Against’, so to speak.

I am not up for any more of these games, I want straightforward honest communication. Otherwise I am done responding.

If you want straightforward and honest communication, please stop assuming that you know what I have done /what I mean etc. and just ask me.
An example would be:
Have you consulted Baha'i sources? (honest)
rather than
Why haven't you consulted Baha'i sources? (dishonest)

 

[actsfourthirty]

I don't remember, just pick it up wherever you want to.

Ok let me go and see the basic tenets of your faith, I’ll get back to you. Thanks

 

[actsfourthirty]

I don't remember, just pick it up wherever you want to.

i looked into your basic beliefs and found them to be communism in religious terms
Thanks

 

[metis]

i looked into @Trailblazer basic beliefs and found them to be communism in religious terms

Could you please explain this?

 

[actsfourthirty]

Could you please explain this?

sorry I don’t know how to spell it
B’hi something like
B’hi Faith Anyway it’s just communist principals
Thanks

 

[metis]

sorry I don’t know how to spell it
B’hi something like
B’hi Faith Anyway it’s just communist principals
Thanks

But how is it [Baha'i] supposedly "communist"?

 

[actsfourthirty]

But how is it [Baha'i] supposedly "communist"?

Thanks here’s what wiki says
Only a brief summary

The teachings of Baháʼu'lláh form the foundation of Baháʼí belief.[26] Three principles are central to these teachings: the unity of God, the unity of religion, and the unity of humanity.

I. E. Communism

thanks

 

[Trailblazer]

I am implying nothing. I am pointing out the difference between your two contrasting statements
1. I wanted to learn more about Christianity and have discussions with Christians about my beliefs”.
and
2. I was discussing their beliefs and my beliefs.

I do not consider these contrasting statements because I was doing both 1 and 2.

Modalists believe that Jesus is ‘part of a Trinity’. Orthodox Christians believe in Triunity. Modalism is generally considered to be a heresy.
Tell me, who are the Christians who believe they will live forever on earth?

The JWs, for one, but there are other Christians who also believe that.

What will happen if you disobey these ‘laws’?

I cannot say, because only God can judge. I surmise that the law that was disobeyed and the reason for the disobedience would matter to God. Murder and adultery are a more serious offense than whether one said the obligatory prayer or kept the fast.

In personal matters, the spirit of the law matters more than the letter of the law.

 

[Trailblazer]

You are again assuming that I have not consulted Baha'i sources.You are mistaken.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

Oh, I don’t think it’s illogical at all. My aim is to gather together ALL views of this religion. ‘For and Against’, so to speak.

That is a good idea, and that is what a seeker is advised to do.

If you want straightforward and honest communication, please stop assuming that you know what I have done /what I mean etc. and just ask me.
An example would be:
Have you consulted Baha'i sources? (honest)
rather than
Why haven't you consulted Baha'i sources? (dishonest)

Fair enough. Sometimes I say things out of hand because I am under a lot of pressure to answer so many posts.

 

[Trailblazer]

i looked into your basic beliefs and found them to be communism in religious terms
Thanks

I have no idea what you mean by that but okay.