Jesus, God in Spirit form, man, Rabbi, in human form

[Desert Snake]

The aspects of Jesus, God, pre'existent , then man, Rabbi.

These are both Jesus, however they are different. The 'one godists', take it too far, by mixing up every deific names, an obsession with one personality of deity.

The 'man only', jesus as teacher followers, cannot justify the teachings, without going into gnosticism.

The verses presented to signify that Jesus is god, are the same verses used to argue that He isn't god.

Because He's both. The man Jesus is man attributes, to an extent, yet shift back to god attributes, after ascension, while retaining Jesus person, persona.


Agree?

 

[Katzpur]

The aspects of Jesus, God, pre'existent , then man, Rabbi.

These are both Jesus, however they are different. The 'one godists', take it too far, by mixing up every deific names, an obsession with one personality of deity.

The 'man only', jesus as teacher followers, cannot justify the teachings, without going into gnosticism.

The verses presented to signify that Jesus is god, are the same verses used to argue that He isn't god.

Because He's both. The man Jesus is man attributes, to an extent, yet shift back to god attributes, after ascension, while retaining Jesus person, persona.


Agree?

More or less, yes.

 

[sun rise]

The aspects of Jesus, God, pre'existent , then man, Rabbi.
...
Because He's both. The man Jesus is man attributes, to an extent, yet shift back to god attributes, after ascension, while retaining Jesus person, persona.

I basically agree.

 

[Deeje]

The aspects of Jesus, God, pre'existent , then man, Rabbi.

These are both Jesus, however they are different. The 'one godists', take it too far, by mixing up every deific names, an obsession with one personality of deity.

The 'man only', jesus as teacher followers, cannot justify the teachings, without going into gnosticism.

The verses presented to signify that Jesus is god, are the same verses used to argue that He isn't god.

Because He's both. The man Jesus is man attributes, to an extent, yet shift back to god attributes, after ascension, while retaining Jesus person, persona.


Agree?

No, sorry. When Jesus returned to heaven he was in the same "form" that he was in his pre-human existence...a "spirit". (1 Peter 3:18)....he said he was returning to his God and Father.

"Jesus said to her [Mary Magdalene]: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

But he also stated after he had returned to heaven that Jehovah was still his God.

Revelation 3:14...
"‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name."

If Jesus is God, how does he worship an equal part of himself?

"God attributes" do not make someone "God". The human race were created with God's attributes because they were to represent him as this planet's caretakers. (though not very successfully as it turned out)

Jesus reflected his Father's attributes because he was his representative on earth for teaching imperfect humans how to worship his God acceptably. We can only please God by following his teachings to the letter.

 

[Desert Snake]

Clarification, obviously by 'one godists', I don't mean the belief in one Godhead, I mean the idea that every name for God, in the Bible, means one specific name, or persona.

 

[Deeje]

Clarification, obviously by 'one godists', I don't mean the belief in one Godhead, I mean the idea that every name for God, in the Bible, means one specific name, or persona.

Can you be more specific...what "names" are you referring to? How many "names for God" do you think there are in the Bible?

 

[Desert Snake]

No, sorry. When Jesus returned to heaven he was in the same "form" that he was in his pre-human existence...a "spirit". (1 Peter 3:18)....he said he was returning to his God and Father.

However, your interpretation of the word god, does not mean anything, there, contextually. You arbitrarily claim god can mean anything, then in some verses, state that it must mean Yahweh. It's nonsense.

"Jesus said to her

[Mary Magdalene]: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

But he also stated after he had returned to heaven that Jehovah was still his God.

Huh?

Revelation 3:14...
"‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name."

...

If Jesus is God, how does he worship an equal part of himself?

What god? Your definition of god, could mean anything, what god are you talking about? The manner that you define the words, is meaningless.

"God attributes" do not make someone "God". The human race were created with God's attributes because they were to represent him as this planet's caretakers. (though not very successfully as it turned out)

Vague.

Jesus reflected his Father's attributes because he was his representative on earth for teaching imperfect humans how to worship his God acceptably. We can only please God by following his teachings to the letter.

Your beliefs do not make those gods teachings, they make them 'some persons', teachings. So your argument here makes no sense.
Following the 'teachings', is open for interpretation, that is why believing that following 'the teachings', will not work.

•what god are you talking about? The way you define the word, makes it completely unknown. Hence, unless you use the name Yahweh, or variance, you could be talking about any god, or person, for all anyone knows.
•why aren't you saying Yahweh, when according to your own name and word definitions, when you say 'god', it is meaningless?
Baal Ashtoreth? Satan? A person? What god are you talking about?

Any argument where you use 'god' without specification, is meaningless, because of the way you define the names.

 

[Desert Snake]

Can you be more specific...what "names" are you referring to? How many "names for God" do you think there are in the Bible?

There are many names. In the English Bible, God is one of those names, and the name used most, from Genesis, ex. Genesis 1:26, to Hebrews 1:5-6, Hebrews 1:8. The name God, is used for both the Abba, in a few places, specifically, and Jesus, specifically, and both. The name Lord, or name title Lord, is used for both the Abba, and Jesus.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The aspects of Jesus, God, pre'existent , then man, Rabbi.

These are both Jesus, however they are different. The 'one godists', take it too far, by mixing up every deific names, an obsession with one personality of deity.

The 'man only', jesus as teacher followers, cannot justify the teachings, without going into gnosticism.

The verses presented to signify that Jesus is god, are the same verses used to argue that He isn't god.

Because He's both. The man Jesus is man attributes, to an extent, yet shift back to god attributes, after ascension, while retaining Jesus person, persona.


Agree?

I see the Holy Spirit aspect of Jesus being the key here. I see that the Holy Spirit is of God and not God, God can not be known.

The flesh of Jesus was of no importance, it is the Spirit which gives Life and it is this same Spirit which is given to all Gods Messengers in all of Gods Names. The oneness of God is thus found and the Unity of His Messengers is acknowledged and the oneness of humanity cemented in our minds. The future can now see the Unity and peace promised in all scriptures.

It is the Spirit that returns and thus it is to another name and person we are to again look for the Holy Spirit, in these the Last days.

Peace be upon you and all.

 

[Deeje]

There are many names. In the English Bible, God is one of those names, and the name used most, from Genesis, ex. Genesis 1:26, to Hebrews 1:5-6, Hebrews 1:8.

I am left wondering where you glean your information. In the Bible "GOD", the Father of Jesus Christ has only one name. According to Exodus 3:13-15 Moses asked what name he should take to the children of Israel to identify their God and liberator.....

From the Tanach....
"13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:

14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:

15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:"

Do you see what his name was to be "FOREVER".....to be "mentioned in EVERY GENERATION"? יְהֹוָ֞ה YHWH

Psalm 83:18 also tells us that YHWH is the Most High

"Let them know that You-Your name alone is the Lord, Most High over all the earth." יטוְיֵֽדְע֗וּ כִּי־אַתָּ֬ה שִׁמְךָ֣ יְהֹוָ֣ה לְבַדֶּ֑ךָ עֶ֜לְי֗וֹן עַל־כָּל־הָאָֽרֶץ:


Following Jewish tradition, the divine name can be written, but not uttered...even in English. His name according to the written Jewish text is YHWH, not "the Lord".

The name God, is used for both the Abba, in a few places, specifically, and Jesus, specifically, and both. The name Lord, or name title Lord, is used for both the Abba, and Jesus.

GOD is a title, not a name. God is "what" he is...YHWH is "who" he is.

The word "ABBA" used only with reference to the Father, is a term of endearment used to indicate an close relationship, much as a child would use the term "Papa" or "Daddy".

Jesus is not called "God" in the Bible, but the Greek term "theos" is applied to him because "theos" means a "divine mighty one". Jesus certainly fits that description.

The word "LORD" is a title, not a name.

Where does your information come from DoJ? I don't believe it is accurate.