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JESUS, God, the Ordinal First and Last

101G

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based on what evidence? A story is just a claim. Do you believe in Big Foot, Roswell aliens and every story ever?
and?
Because people enjoy embellishing tales
your opinion?
You can take a photo and video and send them to me. I can take a photo and video. We can also ask if anyone doesn't see stars in the sky and investigate these situations. We can see there is photographs from amateur and professional astronomers. We can see there is a field of science who studies these stars.
have you ever hear of PHOTOSHOP?

I have one question for U, "Is this world CREATED?" ...... then Nothing is REAL, except the one who created it...... (smile), all your so-called evidence is not "REAL"..

101G.
 

joelr

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no it's a question, do you believe every story ever? That Muhammad was given updates from Gabrielle, Yahweh's angel? That Joe Smith was given Jesus updates by Moroni, also an angel?
your opinion?

It is. Probably yours as well. Or do you believe Muhammad recieved updates on Christianity from Gabrielle and unless you follow those a "painful doom" awaits you? If you don't believe it then you also believe people make up claims about religious matters.
have you ever hear of PHOTOSHOP?
Yes and I have reasonable evidence that the sky is not Photoshopped. Funny you question stars in th esky yet believe a fictional tale about a magic demigod? Whatever


I have one question for U, "Is this world CREATED?" ...... then Nothing is REAL, except the one who created it...... (smile), all your so-called evidence is not "REAL"..

101G.
Yes, unconscious natural forces created the world. And the universe. All without a deity. Even if reality started with a deity that doesn't mean it was Zeus, Krishna, Vishnu, the Islamic version or the Christian. Those can STILL ALL BE MYTH.
You need evidence to demonstrate something is true.
In Mesopotamia Inana created the world. In Greek times Zeus. In India Brahman, still today. Some think Yahweh. Like the others that is a myth. None of the man-made stories of Gods looks to be real.
But nature is also a creative force. Just isn't conscious. If a conscious deity ran the universe I doubt we would have 6 year olds dying of cancer. That suggests a natural unconscious force, nature.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
there is no .... "good" evidence, but the ONE who created all things. that's the ONLY EVIDENCE. take it or leave it

101G.
Right, and that "one" is Allah. Oh, or Brahman. Or Yahweh in Judaism. Or the Mormon version of Yahweh. Or the JW version.
Wow, look at that, lot of disagreement.
Didn't even mention th eother several hundred creator deities believed today.

Hence, EVIDENCE. Once again, you are making a claim based on a claim in a book. As well as failing to answer any of my questions or points.
So you have no better evidence then all the above. You will just claim yours is better yet have never really looked into it.
SO I do not care about claims based on beliefs and emotions.

You are free to not care about truth. But you have just gone in a big circle of claims without evidence.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Right, and that "one" is Allah. Oh, or Brahman. Or Yahweh in Judaism. Or the Mormon version of Yahweh. Or the JW version.
Wow, look at that, lot of disagreement.
ERROR all FAKE name for U to call disgorgement.... o_O Yikes! ... there is only one NAME that is TRUE.... "Yeshua", Hebrew, Jesus English. (H3442), look this Strong’s number up. it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa`.

101G.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
ERROR all FAKE name for U to call disgorgement.... o_O Yikes! ... there is only one NAME that is TRUE.... "Yeshua", Hebrew, Jesus English. (H3442), look this Strong’s number up. it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa`.

101G.
Yes and the Quran says it's the only true book and true word of God. So what.

Jesus is a fictional savior deity. His name even suggests it, the author - Mark named him Gods Savior. All that does is lend evidence to the fact that it's a work of fiction.
Buying into a religion doesn't make it true. Billions of Muslims will make the same claim as you do, different religion. So will hundreds of cults and new age groups. That is why you need solid evidence.
Again, if you don't care about demonstrating your beliefs can stand up to reasonable evidence then you don't care. But you don't win debates with claims. You keep going back to base claims as if that means anything.
Meanwhile milllions of Mormons say you are going to hell for being in the wrong sect. Millions of Jehovas Witness say the same.
While none of you can produce any evidence.
Capitalizing letters and emojis that belong on tictoc don't make magic stories real.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Yes and the Quran says it's the only true book and true word of God. So what.

Jesus is a fictional savior deity. His name even suggests it, the author - Mark named him Gods Savior. All that does is lend evidence to the fact that it's a work of fiction.
Buying into a religion doesn't make it true. Billions of Muslims will make the same claim as you do, different religion. So will hundreds of cults and new age groups. That is why you need solid evidence.
Again, if you don't care about demonstrating your beliefs can stand up to reasonable evidence then you don't care. But you don't win debates with claims. You keep going back to base claims as if that means anything.
Meanwhile milllions of Mormons say you are going to hell for being in the wrong sect. Millions of Jehovas Witness say the same.
While none of you can produce any evidence.
Capitalizing letters and emojis that belong on tictoc don't make magic stories real.
anyone can claim anything. so I ask you again, is this world a created world yes or no? and is it Holographic, yes or no?

101G.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
anyone can claim anything. so I ask you again, is this world a created world yes or no? and is it Holographic, yes or no?

101G.
Yes anyone can claim anything. That is why evidence is needed. Good, reasonable evidence.
The world is not created, it formed. Just like stars, galaxies, and black holes.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Yes anyone can claim anything. That is why evidence is needed. Good, reasonable evidence.
The world is not created, it formed. Just like stars, galaxies, and black holes.
no. formed from "WHAT?"

101G
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
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Sorry if this joke was made already, but I'm not digging through 35 pages to verify.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
no. formed from "WHAT?"

101G
The early universe was hydrogen and helium gas, supernova created heavier elements, rocks formed from gas clouds, suns attracted this matter which gravitationally formed into planets.

We don't know where the laws of physics came from. They once didn't know where lightning came from and the motion of planets. Middle Age theologians said God did that. Turned out they were wrong.
We don't know what comes beffore the big bang, more science is needed. Saying God did it is just another God in the Gap fallacy.

The laws of physics likely came from symmetry breaking and one super-law. This may have been something found before the big bang, more science is needed.

It also doesn't prove any man-made God. Vishna, Allah, Brahman, Yahweh, Inana. So this gets you no-where. Have your God come explain all.
 

101G

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The early universe was hydrogen and helium gas, supernova created heavier elements, rocks formed from gas clouds, suns attracted this matter which gravitationally formed into planets.
and what was they formed from? meaning the (hydrogen and helium gas). your answer please.
We don't know where the laws of physics came from.
well then, your so-called, "Good evidence" as you say,
That is why evidence is needed. Good, reasonable evidence.
well your "Good evidence" is faulty when you say "We don't know where the laws of physics came from". yes, YOU DON'T KNOW.
but, and that's with one t..... (smile), but, any LAW that is enacted has to be written FIRST, given instruction, a decree ...... (smile).... :mask: U know where I'm going.
hey once didn't know where lightning came from and the motion of planets. Middle Age theologians said God did that. Turned out they were wrong.
not all of them. some said the world was on the back of a turtle, and there was some who said, the EARTH was not the center of the solar system..... and? that's nothing new.
We don't know what comes beffore the big bang, more science is needed. Saying God did it is just another God in the Gap fallacy.
again, your so-called "good evidence" is null and void, because U DON'T KNOW. now hear this all-hands-on deck. Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:2 "For by it the elders obtained a good report." Hebrews 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." READ THAT LAST PART AGAIN.

what's not seen is the sub atomic world. the quantum physics world. where Atoms made of quark which combine are called hadrons, which make up atomic nuclei, consisting of stable protons and neutrons. yes, like your hydrogen and helium gas. God made all these things .... and more. so. how small do the sub-atomic world go? only God KNOWS, for he created all of it.

and, also no there was no BIG BANG, nor a LITTLE BANG. no bang, just "GOD".
The laws of physics likely came from symmetry breaking and one super-law.
LOL, LOL, LOL, "likely?', and you call that...... good evidence? .... likely means a GUESS? :eek:o_O and U still don't KNOW. so much for good evidence.

when you have something solid in God creation, then come and see 101G.


101G.
 
The Godhead, or Godhead(s)?
There is one God who is the Head of both CREATIONS, the OLD CREATION, and the NEW CREATION.
Scripture, Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."

Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."

he who sit on the throne is the "Lord" JESUS who will make all things new.

Question Time, is the LORD, all cap in the OT is the same God who will make all things New, or is it the Lord, only the "L" is capitalized, who will make all things new.

are these two separate persons, the "LORD", and the "Lord"? 101G say no, it's the same one Person in the ECHAD, of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, or RANK.

these, and many other scriptures indicate the same one person as God in the titles of "LORD" and "Lord".

this is a mystery of God revealed, in being the First and the Last. the same one person.

not two, nor three persons, but only one in the same person. this mystery is revealed in Genesis 1:1

101G.
I think it's best we investigate the truth if a gods existence. Then we can move forward.
 
U THINK? .... (smile), and all this time U still don't "KNOW" ..... thought so...... NEXT.

101G.
That is not a clever answer. As dedicated to mythology as you are, you still don't know with certainty.
It would be arrogant to think you know something that I don't because you believe there's a god. What unique information do you get that I don't?
 

101G

Well-Known Member
That is not a clever answer. As dedicated to mythology as you are
dedicated to mythology? is that a personal opinion? thought so, U know what I do with personal opinions ...... (smile)..... o_O YIKES!
It would be arrogant to think you know something that I don't because you believe there's a god. What unique information do you get that I don't?
do U understand that God is a "DIVERSITY" of himself ...... "SHARED" in flesh and blood? do U, and it's in the bible....... (smile). so do you know this, if so post book chapter and verse where this is found at. now the floor is yours.

will be looking for your answer.

101G.
 

101G

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Jesus the Ordinal First, and Jesus the Ordinal Last. (the SAME person who is the Spirit, God).

101G can see why many are deceived into thinking or believing in three persons in the Godhead. the titles, are there in the bible, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost/Spirit. 101G once believe the same deception. because 101G was taught it also. but there come a point in time when things just don't add up, and the questions has to be answered. is what I believe is really TRUE and correct according to the BIBLE.

When one gets honest in his or her beliefs then that question will come up. so, what is there to DO? A. stay on track in being HONEST with oneself. B. ask God for the TRUTH, in spirit. and let him TEACH you.

change is a hard thing to do, but when done, Oh the benefits of FREEDOMS.

let's compare scriptures and let God teach us.

the first two scriptures.

A. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.". it has been said, "if you want to end up EIGHT, get it correct from the "beginning" and this we will do.

the term "beginning" here in the verse id the Hebrew word,
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.

[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

here Genesis 1:1 set the standard; God is the "First" of himself revealed in the creation account. and this revealing in in ORDINAL designations, as FIRST meaning as "LORD". ............ and LAST as "Lord", which is to come. this is proved out in

B. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
this ONE "LORD" is expressed in Ordinal designation. for the Hebrew term "ONE" means,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.

[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

definition #2. is the correct answer. for it answer, God "IN THE BEGINNING" in Genesis 1:1 as "LORD", or "FIRST" in, place, time, order or rank. First in place, first in time, first in order, and first in rank.

these definitions set the stage to understand that God is the "DIVERSITY" or the "ANOTHER", of himself in flesh to come, just as Genesis 1:26 & 27 states.

now the floor is open to debate.

101G
 
dedicated to mythology? is that a personal opinion? thought so, U know what I do with personal opinions ...... (smile)..... o_O YIKES!
I don't care what you do with personal opinions but for someone who believes there's a god without evidence, I hope you do the same with yours.
do U understand that God is a "DIVERSITY" of himself ...... "SHARED" in flesh and blood?
Sorry. Flesh and blood are mythical and is completely false. It simply doesn't happen or ever did.
do U, and it's in the bible....
The only thing correct in the Bible is the page numbers.
... (smile). so do you know this, if so post book chapter and verse where this is found at. now the floor is yours.

will be looking for your answer.

101G.

I take umbrage to your arrogance and notice your frustration is building with little outbursts.
 
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