Up hold the law just as long as the law did Not conflict with God - Acts of the Apostles 5:29 - then to obey God rather than man.
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Jesus, Liberal or Conservative
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I read that one person calculated that out of all the people Jesus came in contact with only 1% became a follower.
Jesus was more interested in 'quality than quantity' - Matthew 7:21-23 - and still is - Matthew 10:22; Luke 21:17
Refuted or referred? Jesus I find often prefaced his statements with the words, " It is written...." referring to the OT.
Jesus was well educated in the OT thus he based his teachings on the OT.
I am wondering which verses you have in mind _____________
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
These modern labels have no bearing on life 2000 years ago.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
.if you are to believe the beatitudes and the stories of his life, he was extremely liberal for a religious man of his time.
wellwisher
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It depends on the time frame. Before Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, there was no law. Adam and Eve were in paradise driven by natural instinct. In terms of Genesis, Jesus's message was Conservative to paradise before the fall. This is why Jesus is often referred to as the second Adam.
If we flash forward to the time of Jesus, many centuries after the fall from paradise, he may have come across as Liberal, since the idea of the law being fulfilled; do away with law, seemed too radical for those who lived by the rules of Satan; law, which had caused the fall from paradise.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
He also said, "You have heard it said,..." followed by, "But I tell you..."
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
They do as long as people don't attach secular politics to it.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, you're saying that Jewish Law, namely the 613 Commandments as found in Torah are "rules of Satan"?
Neither; He's God and beyond petty human politics.
To me the forbidden "tree" was the Law. The 'tree' stood for the Law of the Land of Eden - Genesis 2:17
Do Not touch/eat was the commanding Law.
Kind of like if you had a generous neighbor with lots of fruit trees and he said you can come over any time and have as much fruit as you want 'except' for just one particular tree do not touch it.
That would be as if the owner put up posting a 'No Trespassing Sign' on his one tree.
By Adam eating from the forbidden tree was as if he was taking the Law out of God's hands and now placing the Law into man's hands.
Adam thus set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule.
Only the passing of time would show the result of People Rule governing over Earth.
Mankind's long history has proven that People Rule has Not made Earth a paradisical Earth as God intended.
Rather, MAN has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, MAN's injury.
I noticed others too point to the word ' heard ' as found at Matthew 5:43.
Please note Jesus was Not speaking there about what was 'written' but 'heard' or as we might say as 'a rumor' has it.
The corrupted religious leaders were teaching what was Not 'written' in the OT but as if it was - Matthew 15:9
Please notice at Luke 4:4, 8,10 Jesus uses 'written' and Not heard.
Also, at Luke 4:12 Jesus uses Not ' heard/rumored' but uses the word, "said" meaning said at Deuteronomy 6:16.
I hope this is of some help because Jesus supported his teachings with a reference to what was 'written' beforehand.
Written down and Not rumored 'heard'.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Things that were "heard:"
Do not murder comes from the OT.
Do not commit adultery comes from the OT.
Eye for an eye comes from the OT.
Yes heard, and also ' written ' down under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law's written 600+ commandments.
Sure the people 'heard' about the Law but the written-down Law was Not a rumor.
Matthew 5:43 is found No where under the Mosaic Law that is why Jesus said the people ' heard ' it but they 'heard' it from the false religious teachers and Not from recorded Scripture.
One could read the Law for one's self. A person can't read what was just 'heard' but Not written down.
The corrupted religious leaders of Jesus' day were teaching things 'verbally' but were Not recorded in the OT.
Jesus only taught what was already recorded meaning already written down in the OT such as in the recorded Ten commandments.
There is No corresponding OT verse to Matthew 5:43 because it was a rumor that was spread by telling it verbally to another, so another 'heard ' a rumor and was Not hearing what was written down.
Jesus wanted the people to see whether something heard was written down as in Luke chapter 4.
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Father Heathen
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Wildswanderer
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Neither. He wasn't a political figure.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If Jesus returned to earth today albeit in incognito, yet still lived and taught as he did originally, conservatives would dismiss him as a socialist hippy.
Colt
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Religiously speaking he was Liberal, he would be today as well, but politically Jesus would be a disappointment in that he wouldn't comment on politics today either.
Jesus was neither Pharisee nor Saducee.
The Pharisees were into belief in God and angels and obedience to the commandments, but they followed the simple commandments while not always following the heavier commandments like relate to love.
The Sadducees denied many aspects of the religion. They were kind of like atheists.
