Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

[Nova2216]

What does it mean to preach Christ? (Acts 8:5)


We learn the answer in (Acts 8:12).

they believed Philip preaching

preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God,

and the name of Jesus Christ

they were baptized



What kind of baptism is (Acts 8) speaking about?

(Acts 8:26-40)

(vs) 35. Philip preached Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.39 And when they were come up out of the water.

I do believe (Acts 8) just defined what kind of baptism saves.

Notice a burial and a rising up out of the water is mentioned in (Acts 8:38).

That sounds like (Col. 2:12).

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God,

Notice the text says we are only with the lord at the point of being buried and raised up out of something.



All other conversions must harmonize with (Acts 8).



Thanks

 

[Nova2216]

Not one verse you've quoted mentions water. Since Jesus said that John baptized in water but he'd baptize in holy spirit, I'd think it makes way more sense that baptism in holy spirit is the subject of all those verses, not water. It is an arbitrary insertion into the scriptures to say any of those verses are talking about water.

Baptism is not the issue. Yes, we must be baptized. Like it or not you have been baptized in holy spirit and that is where your salvation lies. Nothing wrong with water, but it has been superseded by holy spirit according to Jesus himself in Acts 1:5. It only stands to reason that any subsequent mention of baptism is talking about holy spirit.

There are a few places in Acts where they actually do mention water, but I've already explained that Acts is a transitional book between the old and the new. It took some people a bit longer to realize the new did away with the old, but that is just how life goes. It would have naturally taken some time to understand such a monumental change as that between the OT and the NT.

Read the whole chapter to see what the works were that James was talking about. There is no mention of water or any baptism at all for that matter in this chapter of James.

Rob - Nothing wrong with water, but it has been superseded by holy spirit according to Jesus himself in Acts 1:5.

Nova - Please notice that in (Luke 24:47-49), (Jn 14:26) and (Acts 1:5,8) Jesus is speaking to the apostles alone (not you or I).

They were told when and where to go for this "PROMISE" to be fulfilled.


Notice what the apostles were told.


(Luke 24:47-49)


47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.48 And ye are witnesses of these things. 49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.


Did you wait in Jerusalem to receive the Holy Spirit like these scriptures teach?

but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
(Acts 1:5,8) (Acts 2:1-4).

 

[rrobs]

What does it mean to preach Christ? (Acts 8:5)

We learn the answer in (Acts 8:12).

they believed Philip preaching

preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God,

and the name of Jesus Christ

they were baptized


What kind of baptism is (Acts 8) speaking about?

(Acts 8:26-40)

(vs) 35. Philip preached Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.39 And when they were come up out of the water.

I do believe (Acts 8) just defined what kind of baptism saves.

Notice a burial and a rising up out of the water is mentioned in (Acts 8:38).

That sounds like (Col. 2:12).

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God,

Notice the text says we are only with the lord at the point of being buried and raised up out of something.

All other conversions must harmonize with (Acts 8).

Thanks

Any thoughts on my explanation of the Book of Acts being a transition between the old and new, that it took time to understand the old was done and the new was in, therefore they kept following the old for some time before the new was given by Paul?

 

[e.r.m.]

Saying one does not need water baptism is "exactly" like saying one does not need faith? I don't know how to respond to that, other than saying it's not.

Having faith in Jesus/being baptized in Jesus's name does not mean that Jesus's completed work was not enough, because His completed work was His part, and placing our faith in Him/being baptized in His name is our part.
It is exactly the same.

Do you understand Acts to be a transition between the old and new. For example, there is a verse in there that speaking about the early converts (mostly Jews), "You see how many there are that believe and yet are still zealous for the law." And there is another place where Paul castigated the council because they still wanted to keep on circumcising. In general, the early Christians did not yet have the full revelation that Paul would give later and therefore they still worked on their flesh.

So basically, Peter, to whom Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom of heaven Matthew 16:19, when he told the crowd of more than 3000 people
Acts 2:36,38-39 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” [38] Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [39] The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off---for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

he told them what is not true, because he hadn't figured things out yet, and Paul wasn't around to show him the way. I guess Jesus should have held off until Paul came around, and have him do the speech instead (insert sarcasm). Peter took Mark 16:16, Luke 24:47, Matthew 28:19 and turned it into Acts 2:38-39.

There are so many holes in the transition book argument, I don't know where to begin.

To name a few:
Are you aware that Paul wrote a number of those letters during the events in Acts, and that during his epistles, Paul wrote about baptism things like
Romans 6:5-7 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, [6] knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. [7] For he who has died has been freed from sin.
(there is likeneness in his death in baptism in water, there is no likeness and his death in baptism with the Holy Spirit).

And that long after the Pentecost Peter was still in agreement with what he said in Acts 2:38-39
1 Peter 3:20-21 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. [21] Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Paul did not castigate the council. Paul shared his thoughts, as did others. It was James who made that final decision, not Paul, nor Peter.

Of course the Jews would be zealous for the law, as well they should be, God gave it to them. Paul did give some clarity to that in Galatians 3:23-27. But the issue of circumcision was already resolved in Acts 15. The issue of baptism in Jesus's name, however, never flinched or altered from Acts 2:38-39 to Paul's and Peter's epistles. He got that right from the beginning.

 

[rrobs]

The issue of baptism in Jesus's name, however, never flinched or altered from Acts 2:38-39 to Paul's and Peter's epistles. He got that right from the beginning.

You're right about baptism in Jesus' name not changing.

Matt 3:11,

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
​

Acts 1:5,

For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
​

The scriptures never vary in saying that Jesus baptizes in holy spirit.

If Matt 3:11 does not show you that holy spirit it light years ahead of water, I don't know what would.

We can settle this by simply waiting for Jesus return. If you see me in paradise then you will know you were wrong in saying one must be water baptized because I've not been water baptized. If you don't see me there, then you were right. We'll see.

God bless

 

[Nova2216]

Any thoughts on my explanation of the Book of Acts being a transition between the old and new, that it took time to understand the old was done and the new was in, therefore they kept following the old for some time before the new was given by Paul?

That does not negate the truth found in (Acts 2:38 ; 8:5:12,13,26-40 ; 22:16).

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

All the conversions in the NT harmonize according to (1Cor.1:10) (Phil.3:16).

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.


Thanks

 

[rrobs]

That does not negate the truth found in (Acts 2:38 ; 8:5:12,13,26-40 ; 22:16).

True enough. My aim was not to negate it, but to explain it in such a way that it would explain why they kept on baptizing in water despite Jesus having told them that, unlike John's water baptism, they would be baptized in holy spirit.

Since Acts can be seen as a transitional book, it simply means Peter and company didn't yet fully comprehend what Jesus really meant by baptism in holy spirit. Such a misunderstanding of Jesus' words was certainly not something new for the Apostles. They misunderstood many things Jesus told them. It took a few years for Paul and others to write their epistles and fully explain the new order.

 

[Nova2216]

True enough. My aim was not to negate it, but to explain it in such a way that it would explain why they kept on baptizing in water despite Jesus having told them that, unlike John's water baptism, they would be baptized in holy spirit.

Since Acts can be seen as a transitional book, it simply means Peter and company didn't yet fully comprehend what Jesus really meant by baptism in holy spirit. Such a misunderstanding of Jesus' words was certainly not something new for the Apostles. They misunderstood many things Jesus told them. It took a few years for Paul and others to write their epistles and fully explain the new order.

In context the word "they" refers to the apostles alone. (Mt.10) (Luke 24:47-49) (Acts 1:5,8) (Acts 2:1-4,14).

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven,


They were told to go to Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Spirit (or Power).

Did you go to Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Spirit like the verse commands (in the first century)?

 

[e.r.m.]

You're right about baptism in Jesus' name not changing.

Matt 3:11,

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
​

Acts 1:5,

For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
​

The scriptures never vary in saying that Jesus baptizes in holy spirit.

If Matt 3:11 does not show you that holy spirit it light years ahead of water, I don't know what would.

All Matt 3:11 said is that Jesus would, and so He did Acts 2:2-4, and Acts 10, the only times "Baptism with the Holy Spirit" was mentioned. Acts 1:5 even said it would happen not many days hence, and so it did Acts 2:2-4. Baptism with the Holy Spirit is not baptism in Jesus's name, because it's established that baptism in Jesus's name is in water Acts 10:47-48. Baptism in Jesus's name is the one in the text associated with remission of sins Acts 2:38-39 "...for you and your children and for all who are far off —for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
This baptism never flinched or altered from Acts 2:38-39 to Paul's and Peter's epistles. He got that right from the beginning. The scriptures explicitly state what God has done for us to offer us salvation, and the scriptures explicitly state John 6:28-29 Acts 2:38-39, 3:19 Romans 6:5-7, 10:9-10 what our part is in entering salvation.

The "by grace alone, through faith alone" salvation paradigm does not match the text of scriptures, when you get specific. You have to look at the "by grace alone, through faith alone" paradigm from afar and not question for it to appear plausible. It's a house of cards. The scriptures hold the truth, just go by them instead. You don't need the by grace alone, through faith alone paradigm "alongside" the scriptures to explain them for you.

We can settle this by simply waiting for Jesus return. If you see me in paradise then you will know you were wrong in saying one must be water baptized because I've not been water baptized. If you don't see me there, then you were right. We'll see.

God bless

Eternity is not something to play Russian Roulette with.

 

[Nova2216]

Col 2:12,

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.​

When was Jesus buried? We were buried with him.

Eph 1:4,

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:​

It does not matter what we think. What matters is what God thinks, and apparently He thinks we were buried with Jesus. People need to change their thinking to agree with God.



The sins I commit are not the problem. Sin itself is the problem.

Rom 5:12,

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:​

When Adam sinned he doomed all of mankind to death. That was not God's intention when He created Adam, but He did give Adam free will and unfortunately Adam played way to loose and caused sin to enter the scene and death by that sin.

We have a sin nature and therefore we commit sins. As I said, the sins we commit are not the problem. It's the sin nature that causes us to commit sins and eventually die. A dog barks, cats meow, cows moo, and sinners sin. That's why our sin nature flesh had to die and be buried with Jesus. God then created a new creation within those who do Romans 10:9-10.

2Cor 5:17,

Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
​

Gal 6:15,

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
​

God did nothing with our fleshy sin nature beyond killing it and burying it. He did not try to improve it. He destroyed it and made a whole new creature. That is why it is so wrong for Christians to try and improve their flesh by making resolutions and promises to stop watching porn, drinking, using drugs, hating others, etc. Those are the works of the flesh and they will always be the works of the flesh.

Instead of trying to improve our flesh, we are told to walk in the spirit. That simply means keeping our eyes on God and not on ourselves. We are told to mind the things of God and not the things of the flesh.

Rom 8:1,

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.​

What exactly does it mean to walk after the spirit?

Rom 8:5,

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
​

If your mind is on yourself, on how well (or not) you think you are acting to make yourself worthy, you are walking after the flesh. If, on the other hand, you are minding, thinking, about God and the things of God, you will be walking according to the spirit.The porn, drinking, drugs, etc. will naturally fall by the wayside without having to beat your flesh into submission. The more we know about God's love, the more we will want to live a Christian life and be a good example of God's love.

Walking by the spirit is the only way to lead a life that will allow the light of the Gospel to shine forth from you. Anything else is a counterfeit. While a counterfeit may look like the real thing, it most definitely is not.

I'll take the liberty here of quoting Galatians one more time. It is a very simple declaration but which too many fail to see.

Gal 3:1-3,

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?​

Ezekiel says nothing about babies being innocent. That is a church tradition that is read into many scriptures, but according to Romans 5:12 babies have the same full blown sin nature we all have and are thus doomed to die.

Jesus was an exception because his seed was not the polluted seed from Adam, but the holy seed God planted in Mary's womb. Jesus, like Adam, started out with a sin free nature. Adam lost it by disobedience but Jesus kept it by obeying every jot and tittle of God's commandments, even to the death of the cross. Jesus, unlike every other human born after Adam, truly had a godly nature, thus qualifying him to be the "lamb without blemish" required to redeem us from death and sin.

God bless

Rob -

Rom 5:12,

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:



Nova - Notice what passes on to other men, "DEATH" not sin.

(Ezekiel 18:20) - 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him


Notice the "as" and "so" in (Rom. 5:12).


(James 1:14) - 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

(Rom. 3:23 ; 6:23) - 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

23 For the wages of sin is death;

It looks like sin is our problem. (Isa.59:1,2)

 

[Nova2216]

Not one verse you've quoted mentions water. Since Jesus said that John baptized in water but he'd baptize in holy spirit, I'd think it makes way more sense that baptism in holy spirit is the subject of all those verses, not water. It is an arbitrary insertion into the scriptures to say any of those verses are talking about water.

Baptism is not the issue. Yes, we must be baptized. Like it or not you have been baptized in holy spirit and that is where your salvation lies. Nothing wrong with water, but it has been superseded by holy spirit according to Jesus himself in Acts 1:5. It only stands to reason that any subsequent mention of baptism is talking about holy spirit.

There are a few places in Acts where they actually do mention water, but I've already explained that Acts is a transitional book between the old and the new. It took some people a bit longer to realize the new did away with the old, but that is just how life goes. It would have naturally taken some time to understand such a monumental change as that between the OT and the NT.

Read the whole chapter to see what the works were that James was talking about. There is no mention of water or any baptism at all for that matter in this chapter of James.

Rob - Yes, we must be baptized.

Nova - You just posted you have not been baptized.

 

[rrobs]

Eternity is not something to play Russian Roulette with.

No it isn't, but I'm not worried.

2Tim 1:12,

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.​

 

[rrobs]

It looks like sin is our problem. (Isa.59:1,2)

Yes. Specifically, it was our problem thanks to Jesus!

Rom 6:22,

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
​

I particularly like the "end" part; everlasting life. It's gonna be really good! Actually, beyond really good!!! No words to describe what's waiting for us.

 

[rrobs]

Rob - Yes, we must be baptized.

Nova - You just posted you have not been baptized.

Perhaps I wasn't clear.

No, I have not been baptized with water. Yes, I have been baptized with holy spirit in Jesus Christ's name.

 

[rrobs]

The "by grace alone, through faith alone" salvation paradigm does not match the text of scriptures, when you get specific. You have to look at the "by grace alone, through faith alone" paradigm from afar and not question for it to appear plausible. It's a house of cards. The scriptures hold the truth, just go by them instead. You don't need the by grace alone, through faith alone paradigm "alongside" the scriptures to explain them for you.

Any comments on:

Acts 15:11,

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.​

Eph 2:5-8,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:​

2 Tim 1:9,

Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,​

Maybe I am misunderstand you, but it sure seems like you don't agree with these verses.

 

[e.r.m.]

Any comments on:

Acts 15:11,

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.​

Eph 2:5-8,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:​

2 Tim 1:9,

Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,​

Maybe I am misunderstand you, but it sure seems like you don't agree with these verses.

Yes sir, you do misunderstand. I agree with the text of these verses, not with the evangelical commentary on these verses.

Acts 15:11,

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.​

Grace is not a seperate entity, grace is an attribute of God/Jesus, it describes His nature. God/Jesus is gracious, and due to His gracious disposition toward us "we shall be saved, even as they." , it's not like pixie dust, that does the saving. Grace is also God's part. This verse doesn't address God's expectation of us. Other verses do. This verse talks about God's part.

Eph 2:5-8,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:​

2 Tim 1:9,

Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

These verses talk about God's part, His grace and His kindness toward us, His purpose and gift for us. One of these verses also mentions part of our part "through faith". I've already showed why this passage is not the gospel in a nutshell. The evangelical paradigm, not the text in the verse itself, adds an exclusive part faith alone, nothing other than faith, etc. But I'm going only by the text, that says faith is involved. The passage does not, in the text, exclude confessing with our mouths the Lord Jesus, repentance or baptism. It does "in the text" exclude works however, which is defined further down in the text as what God has planned for us to do after we're saved vs. 10, physical circumcision vs. 11, and the law with its commands and regulations vs. 15.​

 

[Nova2216]

Yes. Specifically, it was our problem thanks to Jesus!

Rom 6:22,

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
​

I particularly like the "end" part; everlasting life. It's gonna be really good! Actually, beyond really good!!! No words to describe what's waiting for us.

I notice you posted (Rom. 6:22).

But notice the word "OBEYED" in (Rom. 6:17,18).

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


1. ye were the servants of sin

2. ye have "obeyed" from the heart that form of doctrine

3. Being then made free from sin

4. ye became the servants of righteousnes


"Obedience to truth" comes before one is freed from sin and made righteous.

Sounds like one must DO SOMETHING to be saved.


Do you agree with the above statement?

 

[e.r.m.]

I notice you posted (Rom. 6:22).

But notice the word "OBEYED" in (Rom. 6:17,18).

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


1. ye were the servants of sin

2. ye have "obeyed" from the heart that form of doctrine

3. Being then made free from sin

4. ye became the servants of righteousnes


"Obedience to truth" comes before one is freed from sin and made righteous.

Sounds like one must DO SOMETHING to be saved.


Do you agree with the above statement?

I do. The NT never says anything to prohibit or exclude "doing" something, as a part of getting saved.
It only prohibits works. So "doing" something is perfectly in line with God's word.

 

[Nova2216]

No it isn't, but I'm not worried.

2Tim 1:12,

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.​

* Those in (Mt. 7:21-23) was not worried about eternity.

They were confident they were saved.

The Lord denied they had a relationship with Him and called them "lawless" people.

Those who deny we are under law best take notice.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (or lawlessness).

When the Lord mentions Lawlessness or iniquity He is telling men sin was their problem

(Rom. 3:23) (Rom. 6:23) (Isa. 59:1,2)


Grace teaches men how to please the Lord (Titus 2:11,12) (1Thess. 4:1-3).

11. For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12. Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;





Thanks

 

[rrobs]

I notice you posted (Rom. 6:22).

But notice the word "OBEYED" in (Rom. 6:17,18).

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

1. ye were the servants of sin

2. ye have "obeyed" from the heart that form of doctrine

3. Being then made free from sin

4. ye became the servants of righteousnes

"Obedience to truth" comes before one is freed from sin and made righteous.

Sounds like one must DO SOMETHING to be saved.

Do you agree with the above statement?

I totally agree. The main thrust of Romans is salvation, not by works, but by grace. That is exemplified in Romans 10:9-10 and that is the doctrine that must be obeyed.

2 Tim 1:9,

who did save us, and did call with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, that was given to us in Christ Jesus, before the times of the ages,​