Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

[lostwanderingsoul]

I believe in reincarnation and that everyone has heard the gospel.

Thank you for your reply. I find it interesting that you list your religion as Christiam and say you believe in reincarnation. I was not aware of Christian religions that teach reincarnation. I thought it was only religions like Hindu or Bhuddism. I also find it hard to see how people in India or China have all heard the gospel. Perhaps you would be kind enogh to add more to this.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I believe there are many religions but only one where a person can be saved.

May I ask what you believe must be done to be saved? Nova2216 says a person must believe and be baptized. Do you believe a person must be part of a certain religion?

 

[Nova2216]

May I ask what you believe must be done to be saved? Nova2216 says a person must believe and be baptized. Do you believe a person must be part of a certain religion?

I posted scriptures which teach one must believe and be baptized to be saved. (Mark 16:15,16) (1Peter:3:20,21) (Acts 8;5,12,13,26-40 : 16:30-34)

Let's be honest and face the truth. (Jn 17:17) (Jn 8:31,32)

The message did not originate with me.

 

[Nova2216]

The sinner is born once and dies twice.

The saint is born twice and dies once.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Or, perhaps. Every human being is born PHYSICALLY when he takes his first breath of air and dies PHYSICALLY when he takes his last breath. Then he is born SPIRITUALLY when Jesus returns and raises everyone from their graves. Those who do what is required will never die SPIRITUALLY but those who do not do what is required will die SPIRITUALLY. This is exactly what happened to Jesus. He was born and died PHYSICALLY. After three days he was born SPIRITUALLY when he rose from the tomb. He was the FIRSTBORN spiritually from the dead. All mankind will follow in the same way when He returns and gives them the second birth. That is when EVERYONE will see and hear the truth and learn what they must do to avoid the second death. EVERYONE will be treated EQUALLY regardless of when or where he was born and weather or not he heard about Jesus or was baptized in his physical life. That is the ONLY way that all mankind can be treated the same and have an equal chance at eternal life. God is not a respecter of persons and is not willing that any should perish. ALL will be treated exactly the same when they are given the second birth at Jesus return. That is the only hope that a true Christian has - that Jesus will return and give him new life.

 

[Nova2216]

Or, perhaps. Every human being is born PHYSICALLY when he takes his first breath of air and dies PHYSICALLY when he takes his last breath. Then he is born SPIRITUALLY when Jesus returns and raises everyone from their graves. Those who do what is required will never die SPIRITUALLY but those who do not do what is required will die SPIRITUALLY. This is exactly what happened to Jesus. He was born and died PHYSICALLY. After three days he was born SPIRITUALLY when he rose from the tomb. He was the FIRSTBORN spiritually from the dead. All mankind will follow in the same way when He returns and gives them the second birth. That is when EVERYONE will see and hear the truth and learn what they must do to avoid the second death. EVERYONE will be treated EQUALLY regardless of when or where he was born and weather or not he heard about Jesus or was baptized in his physical life. That is the ONLY way that all mankind can be treated the same and have an equal chance at eternal life. God is not a respecter of persons and is not willing that any should perish. ALL will be treated exactly the same when they are given the second birth at Jesus return. That is the only hope that a true Christian has - that Jesus will return and give him new life.

So according to you some will get a 2nd chance to obey the Lord correctly.

The scriptures are a beautiful thing in that they head of false doctrine long before said doctrine comes along.

Notice (Heb. 9:27).

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


Men will die physically only once.

There will be no 2nd chances.

When Jesus returns the earth will MELT (DISSOLVE) (2Peter 3:10,11)


2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 ¶ Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,

 

[Nova2216]

At the next coming of Christ every eye will see Him (Rev.1:7).

The faithful living on earth will go to meet the Lord in the air (1Thess.4:16,17).

(1Cor.15:24)

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end,

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

It is appointed a man once to die and AFTER THIS the judgement. Judgement AFTER death. If you already did whatever is necessary to be saved, then there is no need to be judged AFTER death, you already are saved. There is NO second chance IF you never had a FIRST chance. People who lived 500 years ago in China or India or Africa never heard of God or Jesus or baptism. They NEVER HAD a FIRST chance. When they are judged AFTER death will be their FIRST and ONLY chance. Do you honestly think and believe all those millions of people in China and India and Africa will never have a chance to be saved? God will judge ALL people equally AFTER Jesus returns to be their judge.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

When Jesus returns the earth will melt. Yes, but look at Is 65:17 and Rev 21:1 There will be a new Heaven and a new earth. This is when and where all people will be judged. Of course people die physically only once. But they will live again SPIRITUALLY (born again ) and those who obey God will live forever while those who do not obey will die the second death and they will be gone forever. Not eternal torture in fire and brimstone.

 

[Nova2216]

It is appointed a man once to die and AFTER THIS the judgement. Judgement AFTER death. If you already did whatever is necessary to be saved, then there is no need to be judged AFTER death, you already are saved. There is NO second chance IF you never had a FIRST chance. People who lived 500 years ago in China or India or Africa never heard of God or Jesus or baptism. They NEVER HAD a FIRST chance. When they are judged AFTER death will be their FIRST and ONLY chance. Do you honestly think and believe all those millions of people in China and India and Africa will never have a chance to be saved? God will judge ALL people equally AFTER Jesus returns to be their judge.

People make this kind of argument when they do not agree with the plan of salvation found in the NT.

Rather than accept the truth they have been presented through scriptures they begin making EMOTIONAL arguments.

WHAT IF THIS?

WHAT IF THAT?

The thing to do would be learn truth and follow it wherever it leads. (Jn 6:44,45) (Jn 8:31,32) (Jn 17:17)

 

[Nova2216]

When Jesus returns the earth will melt. Yes, but look at Is 65:17 and Rev 21:1 There will be a new Heaven and a new earth. This is when and where all people will be judged. Of course people die physically only once. But they will live again SPIRITUALLY (born again ) and those who obey God will live forever while those who do not obey will die the second death and they will be gone forever. Not eternal torture in fire and brimstone.

Then please tell me why Jesus told Nicodemus A MAN MUST BE BORN AGAIN in this life?

Why did he mention water? (Jn 3:3-5,23)

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Then please tell me why Jesus told Nicodemus A MAN MUST BE BORN AGAIN in this life?

Why did he mention water? (Jn 3:3-5,23)

In John chapter 3 Jesus indeed tells Nicodemus that he "must be born again". But I do not see the words "in this life". The Bible warns that we must not add or subtract a single word in the Bible. Are you sure you are not adding words? Haven't you ever heard a woman who is about to give birth say that her "water broke"? Born of water is physical human birth. Then Jesus says that you cannot see the wind. He adds that everyone who is born of the spirit will be like that. Spirits are invisible like the wind, not flesh and blood people. When you are born of the spirit you will be an invisible spirit. This is the truth of the Bible and it leads to all people being raised from the dead just like Jesus. Why is Jesus called the "firstborn" if others are not going to follow? Sometimes we must be willing to take a closer look at things we have heard all our lives and be willing to admit that we may not have had all the facts. But the Bible facts support the view that Jesus is coming back to earth and will raise all mankind from their graves and then judge them after they have had an equal chance to learn the truth.

 

[Nova2216]

In John chapter 3 Jesus indeed tells Nicodemus that he "must be born again". But I do not see the words "in this life". The Bible warns that we must not add or subtract a single word in the Bible. Are you sure you are not adding words? Haven't you ever heard a woman who is about to give birth say that her "water broke"? Born of water is That does not make any snensehuman birth. Then Jesus says that you cannot see the wind. He adds that everyone who is born of the spirit will be like that. Spirits are invisible like the wind, not flesh and blood people. When you are born of the spirit you will be an invisible spirit. This is the truth of the Bible and it leads to all people being raised from the dead just like Jesus. Why is Jesus called the "firstborn" if others are not going to follow? Sometimes we must be willing to take a closer look at things we have heard all our lives and be willing to admit that we may not have had all the facts. But the Bible facts support the view that Jesus is coming back to earth and will raise all mankind from their graves and then judge them after they have had an equal chance to learn the truth.

What would be the point of telling a man on earth he needs to be born again AFTER HE PHYSICALLY DIES?

That does not make any sense.


A woman has amniotic fluid (not water).

The word of God used the word WATER.

There is a Greek word for FLUID But God did not use it..

What's to know about amniotic fluid?

Amniotic fluid: Functions and disorders



(1Thess.4:16,17) says Jesus will come back in the air and the faithful will go meet Him in the air.

The Lord will not place one foot on earth again.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

The point of telling a man on earth he needs to be born again after he physically dies? That is exactly what happened to Jesus. He was physically dead for three days and then was the FIRSTBORN from the dead. Why would he be the first if there were not going to be others that follow? A woman never says "my amniotic fluid broke". She says her water broke. Words can have more than one meaning. God did not use a greek word for fluid or water. He used a word that has been translated as water.

 

[Nova2216]

The point of telling a man on earth he needs to be born again after he physically dies? That is exactly what happened to Jesus. He was physically dead for three days and then was the FIRSTBORN from the dead. Why would he be the first if there were not going to be others that follow? A woman never says "my amniotic fluid broke". She says her water broke. Words can have more than one meaning. God did not use a greek word for fluid or water. He used a word that has been translated as water.

OK.

 

[Nova2216]

The point of telling a man on earth he needs to be born again after he physically dies? That is exactly what happened to Jesus. He was physically dead for three days and then was the FIRSTBORN from the dead. Why would he be the first if there were not going to be others that follow? A woman never says "my amniotic fluid broke". She says her water broke. Words can have more than one meaning. God did not use a greek word for fluid or water. He used a word that has been translated as water.

5204. udwr hudor, hoo'-dore
Search for 5204 in KJV
from the base of 5205; water (as if rainy) literally or figuratively:--water.
See Greek 5205 (huetos)

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

John 19:34 says that when the soldier pierced Jesus side with a spear, out came blood and water. There is no organ in a human body that contains water. It might have been stomach fluid or lymphatic fluid or urine. But the Bible uses the word "water". Obviously it is used figuratively. So when a person is born of water, that could also be figuratively. Jesus is saying that there are two births. One physical and one spiritual. And when you are born physically, you are a physical person but when you are born spiritually you will be a non-physical spiritual being. So plain and easy to see unless you have been blinded by years of hearing false ideas. Hesus was the firstborn from the dead. The rest of mankind will also be born from the dead and will have a new spiritual life with Jesus as the king.

 

[Nova2216]

John 19:34 says that when the soldier pierced Jesus side with a spear, out came blood and water. There is no organ in a human body that contains water. It might have been stomach fluid or lymphatic fluid or urine. But the Bible uses the word "water". Obviously it is used figuratively. So when a person is born of water, that could also be figuratively. Jesus is saying that there are two births. One physical and one spiritual. And when you are born physically, you are a physical person but when you are born spiritually you will be a non-physical spiritual being. So plain and easy to see unless you have been blinded by years of hearing false ideas. Hesus was the firstborn from the dead. The rest of mankind will also be born from the dead and will have a new spiritual life with Jesus as the king.

This did not originate with me but it is good.


Let's have a look at your Romans 1:16...

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The "Gospel Of Christ" is the Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension.

To "obey the salvation plan" we MUST OBEY...

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them,

1. Death - Repent,
2. Burial - and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (Acts 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:30-34)
3. Resurrection - and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Buried with him into his DEATH is to have remission of sins, with no remission you are not dead with Christ. Therefore you have NOT OBEYED the salvation plan and your "harmony of scripture" goes up in smoke.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

You certainly have a way with words and putting your own interpretation to them. Yes there is a mention of burial in baptism. But there is no reason to believe that repentance has anything to do with death or that receiving the Holy Spirit has anything to do with resurrection. Death will be the result of NOT repenting of sin and resurrection will occur when Jesus raises everyone from their graves just like He was resurrected from the dead. Just writting your opinion that death is repent and resurrection is receiving the Holy Spirit does not make it true. And the Bible does not say that it is true.

 

[Nova2216]

In the religious realm one must first hear the word of God (Rom. 1:16) (Rom. 10:17) (Jn 8:24).

Then one learns he must confess Jesus is the son of God, the need to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins to be saved (Rom.10:9,10) (Luke 13:3) (Mark 16:15,16) (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 16:30-34).

One is ONLY ready for baptism (in water) at the point he understands the gospel correctly and has DIED to his old man of sin (repented).

When one has decided to stop willful sin one is ready for water baptism for the remission of sins. It is at this point one has died to his old lifestyle of sin.

Only then is this man a candidate for baptism (in water) for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38,47 ; 22:16) (Mark 16:15,16).

In real life there is no reason to bury a man who is alive.

We only bury dead men in our cemeteries.

In most churches today they BURY PEOPLE (in water) who they claim are ALIVE (not dead).

This makes no sense at all.

Their claims one is made alive BEFORE water baptism if false.

We are to hear all Gods says on a topic and draw a conclusion based only one the word of God (Mt. 4:4)(Ps.119:160)