Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

[Nova2216]

See how some people ignore the clear meaning of words? Jesus is coming back really means Jesus is not coming back. First you decide what you want to believe and then make the words mean what you want them to mean. I do it the other way. I see what the words say and then match my beliefs to that.

That is not what Trailblazer said. You are misrepresenting him / her.

Jesus can come back in the air and never touch earth as (1Thess.4:16,17) teaches.

The faithful go to meet the Lord in the air, not the other way around.

 

[Nova2216]

See how some people ignore the clear meaning of words? Jesus is coming back really means Jesus is not coming back. First you decide what you want to believe and then make the words mean what you want them to mean. I do it the other way. I see what the words say and then match my beliefs to that.

Happy Birthday!!!

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

(2Thess.1:7-9)

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

So interesting that so many people believe "everlasting DESTRUCTION" means they will NOT be destroyed but just be punished by being away from God.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

That is not what Trailblazer said. You are misrepresenting him / her.

Jesus can come back in the air and never touch earth as (1Thess.4:16,17) teaches.

The faithful go to meet the Lord in the air, not the other way around.

Zechariah 14:4 "His feet will stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives". So again mahing words say what you want them to say. Standing on the Mount of Olives means He will not touch earth? Even a blind person can see the problem with this.But when one has a certain idea in their head they only see what they want to see. Of course people can meet him in the air as he is on his way down and then follow him to earth.

 

[Nova2216]

Zechariah 14:4 "His feet will stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives". So again mahing words say what you want them to say. Standing on the Mount of Olives means He will not touch earth? Even a blind person can see the problem with this.But when one has a certain idea in their head they only see what they want to see. Of course people can meet him in the air as he is on his way down and then follow him to earth.

Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John:..

Meaning the prophecies of the prophets were to all come true before the death / burial / ress. of Christ.


Is it possible Jesus already stood upon the mount of olives? (in the first century)



Next question - What does this mean?

Zec 13:1 ¶ In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

Could (Zech.13:1) be speaking of Jesus shedding his blood on the cross?

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[Nova2216]

See how some people ignore the clear meaning of words? Jesus is coming back really means Jesus is not coming back. First you decide what you want to believe and then make the words mean what you want them to mean. I do it the other way. I see what the words say and then match my beliefs to that.

Lu 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John:..

Meaning the prophecies of the prophets were to all come true before the death / burial / ress. of Christ.


Is it possible Jesus already stood upon the mount of olives? (in the first century)



Next question - What does this mean?

Zec 13:1 ¶ In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

Could (Zech.13:1) be speaking of Jesus shedding his blood on the cross?

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Zech 14:4 goes on to say that in that day, when his feet stand on the Mount of Olives, the mount will split in half and half of it move in one direction and half in the opposite direction. Did that happen in the first century?

 

[Nova2216]

Zech 14:4 goes on to say that in that day, when his feet stand on the Mount of Olives, the mount will split in half and half of it move in one direction and half in the opposite direction. Did that happen in the first century?

Zec 13:1 ¶ In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.


The blood of Jesus reached back to the beginning of time and forward to even our future.

The cross stands between the OT period and the NT period.


The answer is YES.



Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth

Notice pages 3-6.

 

[Nova2216]

So many errors are being taught b/c some people mistake a figurative passage for a literal passage.

The only way to harmonize with the scriptures is to correctly interpret the scriptures.


People who have the problem above will discount some scriptures b/c their position will not harmonize with Gods word.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I would say that "dead means dead" harmonizes very well with God's word. Saying that "dead really means not dead" harmonizes with man's false ideas about the fate of the unsaved.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Zec 13:1 ¶ In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.


The blood of Jesus reached back to the beginning of time and forward to even our future.

The cross stands between the OT period and the NT period.


The answer is YES.



Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth

Notice pages 3-6.

You did not answer the question. Did the Mount of Olives split in two in the first century. It is a very clever tactic to change the subject when you do not have an answer. The article about the word of truth was written by a person, givig his interpretation. The Bible was inspired by God. I will take God's word over man's.

 

[Nova2216]

You did not answer the question. Did the Mount of Olives split in two in the first century. It is a very clever tactic to change the subject when you do not have an answer. The article about the word of truth was written by a person, givig his interpretation. The Bible was inspired by God. I will take God's word over man's.

Yes, I did.

it is figurative and not literal.

 

[Nova2216]

I would say that "dead means dead" harmonizes very well with God's word. Saying that "dead really means not dead" harmonizes with man's false ideas about the fate of the unsaved.

I heard nothing on this information

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God is a spirit. (Jn 4:24)

We are Gods offspring. (Acts 17:28,29)

God is totally immortal. (1Tim.6:16)

God is Father of Spirits. (Heb.12:9)

Man is made of body and spirit; both mortal and immortal. (Eccl. 12:7) (Acts 7:59) (Luke 23:46)


Departed spirits still exist and are conscious.

(Mt.17:3)- Moses and Elijah

(1Sam.22)- Saul's spirit was brought forth and spoke

(Mt.22:32)- Abraham living; Jehovah is God of living

(Rev.6:9-11)- Souls of dead were seen to be alive.


Page #72


Traditions of Men Vs The Word of God
By Alvin Jennings

 

[Nova2216]

You did not answer the question. Did the Mount of Olives split in two in the first century. It is a very clever tactic to change the subject when you do not have an answer. The article about the word of truth was written by a person, givig his interpretation. The Bible was inspired by God. I will take God's word over man's.

The bible was written by a person.

 

[Muffled]

So, I would really like to get your views on what will happen to people who are not saved. The Bible says they will be destroyed, burned up. But some people on here think that really means they will NOT be destroyed but will live forever separated from God. I cannot find anything in the Bible that says ALL souls are immortal. Immortality is something that is given to the saved. Those who do not receive immortality will die spiritually and those spirits will cease to exist, not suffer eternal torture. That is my opinion on what the Bible teaches. Any comments? I seem to be outnumbered on here and could use some help.

So how do you burn up a spirit?

I believe bodies that go into the fire will be burned up and of course that destroys them. I am also inclined to believe that destruction is not the same thing as extinction. I do not find anywhere that God says He will extinguish spirits.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[Muffled]

I will come again is not Jesus saying He will come to earth again.

Jesus will never come back to the world unless (1) Jesus lied or (2) the NT is in error. If Jesus lied then we cannot trust anything else Jesus said, and if the NT is in error then we cannot trust anything else that is written in the NT. there is no way around this.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

There is plenty more to do, but Jesus is not the one who will do it because Jesus said the world will see me no more and I am no more in the world. Baha'u'llah already did what needed to be done and the rest of the work will be completed by the Baha'is who are following His counsels.

I believe that verse refers to Baha'u'llah. He came with clouds.

The term “clouds” as used in the Bible means those things that cloud our judgment and prevent us from seeing what is really there. Just like the physical clouds prevent the eyes of men from beholding the sun, the desires of men hindered men from recognizing the return of Christ.

Every eye will see Baha'u'llah in the future, after God magnifies His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth.:

“Warn and acquaint the people, O Servant, with the things We have sent down unto Thee, and let the fear of no one dismay Thee, and be Thou not of them that waver. The day is approaching when God will have exalted His Cause and magnified His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 248

I can't imagine how you derive that. But in any case this is the evidence that He does: Rev. 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

I believe that is not a lie. He didn't say how long the world would not see Him. I believe you are thinking that "no more" means never but that word is not used and it doesn't. It means the people living in that day would not see Him except for the believers of course.

I believe this is the same thing as Jesus ascends then he is no "more" longer in this world but it still does not mean "never."

I believe that is pure nonsense. The Holy Spirit is the one working.

I do not believe he was seen rescuing Israel from an army attacking her.

I believe that is unjustified applied meaning to a simple statement of fact.

I believe there is no chance of that happening.

I believe this is just religious philosophy. It may be true or it may not.

 

[Muffled]

See how some people ignore the clear meaning of words? Jesus is coming back really means Jesus is not coming back. First you decide what you want to believe and then make the words mean what you want them to mean. I do it the other way. I see what the words say and then match my beliefs to that.

I believe what Jesus tells me the words mean. Men are fallible.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

So how do you burn up a spirit?

I believe bodies that go into the fire will be burned up and of course that destroys them. I am also inclined to believe that destruction is not the same thing as extinction. I do not find anywhere that God says He will extinguish spirits.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

So how do you interpret Mathew 10:28 which says we should fear him who can DESTROY both body AND SOUL in hell? Are you one of those who say destroy does not realy mean destroy.? And death does not really mean death and burned up does not really mean burned up? You do not know how to burn up a spirit? Well I also do not know how. But maybe we should both agree that God just might know a few things we do not know. The Bible says spirits can die and be burned up. I believe it even if I do not know how.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe that is not a lie. He didn't say how long the world would not see Him. I believe you are thinking that "no more" means never but that word is not used and it doesn't. It means the people living in that day would not see Him except for the believers of course.

I believe this is the same thing as Jesus ascends then he is no "more" longer in this world but it still does not mean "never."

No more in the world means never again in the world.
There would be no reason for Jesus to come back to this world unless He wanted to play golf with President Trump, because Jesus said His work was finished here:

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Why can't Christians accept the words of Jesus and face the fact that He is never going to return to earth?

I believe that is pure nonsense. The Holy Spirit is the one working.

I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is doing anything. The Holy Spirit does not work without a human being. It worked through Jesus and then later through Baha'u'llah.

I believe there is no chance of that happening.

I believe this is just religious philosophy. It may be true or it may not.

You are free to believe whatever you want to believe because you have free will.
So you can keep believing that Jesus is coming back to earth despite all the evidence to the contrary right in your own Bible.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

No more in the world means never again in the world.
There would be no reason for Jesus to come back to this world unless He wanted to play golf with President Trump, because Jesus said His work was finished here:

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Why can't Christians accept the words of Jesus and face the fact that He is never going to return to earth?

I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is doing anything. The Holy Spirit does not work without a human being. It worked through Jesus and then later through Baha'u'llah.

You are free to believe whatever you want to believe because you have free will.
So you can keep believing that Jesus is coming back to earth despite all the evidence to the contrary right in your own Bible.

Again, twisting words. John 14:3 Jesus own words, "if I go I will come again". So that somehow mean, "if I go I will NOT come again". WOW Talk about ignoring evidence in the Bible.