Greatest I am
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Jesus said to the Father. About the Plan and my death, get serious.
Some believe that the Father would tell Jesus that they would create humans with original sin. Then they would impregnate Mary with Himself as her child so that He could be born as human and Himself. He then would commit suicide as a sacrifice to Himself to save man from the sin that He had condemned and created man to do.
This is one view.
The real view is that we are born with sinning nature thanks to the evolutionary system that we have in place and working on an ongoing basis. We either compete/evil or cooperate/good, to evolve ourselves to a higher degree of perfection as all are created perfect.
Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The above is one view of God.
If a God actually placed evolution here, then because of its perfect nature, He would never have to return to fix what is working perfectly and we truly have dominion over the earth.
Man is the supreme force here. Not a God.
The vicarious redemption of Jesus as shown above is not only unlikely, it also places us all on a scapegoat and this is an immoral position that a God would not force upon us. That would be an immoral act. We are all responsible for our own actions and sins. God in fact rejected vicarious redemption--why have you forsaken me--because the death of an innocent man for the sins of others is not justice.
If scripture is to be believed then man must sin to earn heaven.
2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Repentance is to follow sin. We must sin first, so it can be said that God wants man to sin.
Why? To repent because repenting is what forms our moral sense. Without sin, this is not possible.
The writers of scriptures knew this and this is why they had Eve fall. As the above shows, the fall was not a fall but a fall up, so to speak, to a moral sense.
To think that a God would hold back the knowledge of good and evil is false.
Man is not a total human without a moral sense and this can only come with the knowledge of good and evil.
Be it Gods will or evolutions purpose then there can be no hell as all are saved. In this we have no choice as to think otherwise would be to think that Gods will can be thwarted or that evolution is imperfect. Both of these I see as impossible.
Is the vicarious redemption of Jesus evil?
Does God want us to sin?
Regards
DL
Some believe that the Father would tell Jesus that they would create humans with original sin. Then they would impregnate Mary with Himself as her child so that He could be born as human and Himself. He then would commit suicide as a sacrifice to Himself to save man from the sin that He had condemned and created man to do.
This is one view.
The real view is that we are born with sinning nature thanks to the evolutionary system that we have in place and working on an ongoing basis. We either compete/evil or cooperate/good, to evolve ourselves to a higher degree of perfection as all are created perfect.
Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The above is one view of God.
If a God actually placed evolution here, then because of its perfect nature, He would never have to return to fix what is working perfectly and we truly have dominion over the earth.
Man is the supreme force here. Not a God.
The vicarious redemption of Jesus as shown above is not only unlikely, it also places us all on a scapegoat and this is an immoral position that a God would not force upon us. That would be an immoral act. We are all responsible for our own actions and sins. God in fact rejected vicarious redemption--why have you forsaken me--because the death of an innocent man for the sins of others is not justice.
If scripture is to be believed then man must sin to earn heaven.
2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Repentance is to follow sin. We must sin first, so it can be said that God wants man to sin.
Why? To repent because repenting is what forms our moral sense. Without sin, this is not possible.
The writers of scriptures knew this and this is why they had Eve fall. As the above shows, the fall was not a fall but a fall up, so to speak, to a moral sense.
To think that a God would hold back the knowledge of good and evil is false.
Man is not a total human without a moral sense and this can only come with the knowledge of good and evil.
Be it Gods will or evolutions purpose then there can be no hell as all are saved. In this we have no choice as to think otherwise would be to think that Gods will can be thwarted or that evolution is imperfect. Both of these I see as impossible.
Is the vicarious redemption of Jesus evil?
Does God want us to sin?
Regards
DL
