Jesus: The Stoner?

[The Hammer]

Was Jesus Getting Stoned? | Cracked.com

"Jesus may not have been your stereotypical Arizona green-tea-drinking, dude-calling, paper-rolling, Doritos-eating weed smoker, but very well could have been a stoner on his own terms who loved his oils and shared the “good vibes” on his way. "

Anyone familiar with Hebrew, that can shed some light on this plant?

kaneh-bosm aka q’aneh-bosm

 

[Deeje]

Was Jesus Getting Stoned? | Cracked.com

"Jesus may not have been your stereotypical Arizona green-tea-drinking, dude-calling, paper-rolling, Doritos-eating weed smoker, but very well could have been a stoner on his own terms who loved his oils and shared the “good vibes” on his way. "

Anyone familiar with Hebrew, that can shed some light on this plant?

kaneh-bosm aka q’aneh-bosm

Though I strongly disagree with your portrayal of Jesus as a "stoner" it appears as if cannabis is an ancient herb used widely in most nations on earth as a medicine. I have often wondered if the American Indian's Peace Pipe was also stuffed with cannabis, as it was known to chill people out.

Here was an interesting article on the subject...

"THE BIBLE and CALAMUS vs. CANNABIS
Posted on October 15, 2015 by lkempen
THE BIBLE and CALAMUS vs. CANNABIS:

With the Hebrew words for “calamus” and “cannabis” so similar, and the fact that calamus is of lesser value and also toxic, we must question the validity of the term “calamus” in English versions of Scripture.

The word calamus is found in the KJV three times:
Exodus 30:23 God telling Moses the formula for the anointing oil (250 shekels worth.)
KJV-sweet calamus
NKJV-sweet-smelling cane
ESV-aromatic cane
NASB-fragrant cane
Song of Solomon 4:14, speaking of it in a refreshing garden
Ezekiel 27:19 speaking of cane as merchandise.

The KJV translates the Hebrew word “qaneh” (pronounced kaw-naw’) into “calamus.” Per Strong’s Concordance, “qaneh” means “a reed (as erect); by resemblance a rod (especially for measuring) shaft, tube, stem, (the radius of the arm) beam (of a steelyard): – balance, bone, branch, calamus, cane, reed, spearman, stalk.”

The Hebrew word for “calamus” is “kanah bosm,” which is plural. The singular for this is “kaneh bos,” which sounds remarkably close the modern word “cannabis.”

According to Webster’s New Hebrew dictionary, the current Hebrew word for cannabis is “kanabos.”
Thus, contentions that the KJV possibly interpreted the Hebrew word incorrectly as “calamus” warrant consideration.

If Exodus 30:23 is referring to a monetary value of calamus or cannabis, the “250 shekels” is approximately $125.00 worth (which is 2.5 cents/gerah X 20 gerahs/shekel X 250 shekels in Ex30:23) which is a considerable amount.
* Per the ATS Bible Dictionary (and others), a shekel is a term for either weight or currency (a coin.) A shekel is worth 20 gerahs. A gerah is the smallest weight or coin among the Jews, and worth about two and a half cents.

If the 250 shekels is referring to weight, instead of coinage, it is a considerable amount of whatever it is the KJV is referring to as “calamus.”

While cannabis is non-toxic (not a single death has ever been directly attributed to it, despite much effort being given to document such a fatality), calamus is most definitely a toxin. The FDA banned calamus from uses in food and medicines in 1968 as calamus contains more than 75% asarone. Asarone is a poison which has been shown to cause cancer, and has ill effects on heart, liver and kidney functions. This toxin in callamus is used for pest control. Why would God specify a large quantity of a poison be used in holy anointing oil?"

THE BIBLE and CALAMUS vs. CANNABIS

Demonized as this plant has been for the last 70 years or so, there was no prohibition of its use until pharmaceutical manufacturers persuaded legal entities to ban it as a dangerous schedule 2 drug....which of course was nonsense. Cannabis is way less dangerous that alcohol or tobacco which are legally available to those who are of age in most nations. Both alcohol and tobacco can be addictive, but cannabis is not, nor has there ever been one recorded death due to overdose....so the reasons for its ban are quite sinister IMO.

As far as the "holy anointing oil" is concerned, it was the recipe that was not to be copied for use outside of the Temple.

 

[Lyndon]

Cannabis didn't grow in North America, but lots of other herbs did in addition to tobacco and Indians smoked some.

 

[The Hammer]

Cannabis didn't grow in North America, but lots of other herbs did in addition to tobacco and Indians smoked some.

Yup, was gonna say, the settlers I think brought cannabis/hemp with them. It wasn't here naturally, so the natives never used it. Although, as the name weed implies, it grows well just about everywhere. Peyote was smoked by the Natives of the American Southwest.

 

[The Hammer]

Though I strongly disagree with your portrayal of Jesus as a "stoner" it appears as if cannabis is an ancient herb used widely in most nations on earth as a medicine. I have often wondered if the American Indian's Peace Pipe was also stuffed with cannabis, as it was known to chill people out.

Here was an interesting article on the subject...

"THE BIBLE and CALAMUS vs. CANNABIS
Posted on October 15, 2015 by lkempen
THE BIBLE and CALAMUS vs. CANNABIS:

With the Hebrew words for “calamus” and “cannabis” so similar, and the fact that calamus is of lesser value and also toxic, we must question the validity of the term “calamus” in English versions of Scripture.

The word calamus is found in the KJV three times:
Exodus 30:23 God telling Moses the formula for the anointing oil (250 shekels worth.)
KJV-sweet calamus
NKJV-sweet-smelling cane
ESV-aromatic cane
NASB-fragrant cane
Song of Solomon 4:14, speaking of it in a refreshing garden
Ezekiel 27:19 speaking of cane as merchandise.

The KJV translates the Hebrew word “qaneh” (pronounced kaw-naw’) into “calamus.” Per Strong’s Concordance, “qaneh” means “a reed (as erect); by resemblance a rod (especially for measuring) shaft, tube, stem, (the radius of the arm) beam (of a steelyard): – balance, bone, branch, calamus, cane, reed, spearman, stalk.”

The Hebrew word for “calamus” is “kanah bosm,” which is plural. The singular for this is “kaneh bos,” which sounds remarkably close the modern word “cannabis.”

According to Webster’s New Hebrew dictionary, the current Hebrew word for cannabis is “kanabos.”
Thus, contentions that the KJV possibly interpreted the Hebrew word incorrectly as “calamus” warrant consideration.

If Exodus 30:23 is referring to a monetary value of calamus or cannabis, the “250 shekels” is approximately $125.00 worth (which is 2.5 cents/gerah X 20 gerahs/shekel X 250 shekels in Ex30:23) which is a considerable amount.
* Per the ATS Bible Dictionary (and others), a shekel is a term for either weight or currency (a coin.) A shekel is worth 20 gerahs. A gerah is the smallest weight or coin among the Jews, and worth about two and a half cents.

If the 250 shekels is referring to weight, instead of coinage, it is a considerable amount of whatever it is the KJV is referring to as “calamus.”

While cannabis is non-toxic (not a single death has ever been directly attributed to it, despite much effort being given to document such a fatality), calamus is most definitely a toxin. The FDA banned calamus from uses in food and medicines in 1968 as calamus contains more than 75% asarone. Asarone is a poison which has been shown to cause cancer, and has ill effects on heart, liver and kidney functions. This toxin in callamus is used for pest control. Why would God specify a large quantity of a poison be used in holy anointing oil?"

THE BIBLE and CALAMUS vs. CANNABIS

Demonized as this plant has been for the last 70 years or so, there was no prohibition of its use until pharmaceutical manufacturers persuaded legal entities to ban it as a dangerous schedule 2 drug....which of course was nonsense. Cannabis is way less dangerous that alcohol or tobacco which are legally available to those who are of age in most nations. Both alcohol and tobacco can be addictive, but cannabis is not, nor has there ever been one recorded death due to overdose....so the reasons for its ban are quite sinister IMO.

As far as the "holy anointing oil" is concerned, it was the recipe that was not to be copied for use outside of the Temple.

This was both informative and useful

 

[Heyo]

as the name weed implies

It has many names and many people don't even know that one of those is "hemp". In his propaganda William Hearst used "marijuana" exclusively to dazzle people and prevent them from making the connection to the massively planted and useful crop. This tradition is carried on by today's demagogues, only "marijuana" has been widely replaced by the scientific name "cannabis".

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

Both alcohol and tobacco can be addictive, but cannabis is not,

I wouldn't say cannabis isn't addictive.
It may not be physically addictive like alcohol and tobacco, but I think its potential for mental addiction is often underestimated and/or bagatellized.

 

[The Hammer]

It has many names and many people don't even know that one of those is "hemp". In his propaganda William Hearst used "marijuana" exclusively to dazzle people and prevent them from making the connection to the massively planted and useful crop. This tradition is carried on by today's demagogues, only "marijuana" has been widely replaced by the scientific name "cannabis".

Yup. The settlers came over with hemp as well (I added it to my post). Used it to make paper and such. Per square foot hemp paper is more ecologically friendly than tree pulp. And grows faster.

I would love to see the hemp industry take off in that regard. Outside of current legalization efforts.

 

[Deeje]

It has many names and many people don't even know that one of those is "hemp". In his propaganda William Hearst used "marijuana" exclusively to dazzle people and prevent them from making the connection to the massively planted and useful crop. This tradition is carried on by today's demagogues, only "marijuana" has been widely replaced by the scientific name "cannabis".

Yes, the whole demonization had to do with a disconnect from the usefulness of hemp as product with a multitude of uses....easy to grow, high yield, and farmers would never run out business as the uses for hemp would have kept growing.

I believe that Henry Ford made a car out of hemp.

Imagine if Hemp vehicles could stand up to hail damage? What would have happened to the steel industry?

Hemp could replace petroleum as a non polluting bio-fuel. In the manufacture of plastics, it was bio-degradable meaning that if it ended up in the ocean or in land fill it would feed the marine creatures instead of killing them and it would fertilize the land it was buried in.....

The name marijuana was to infer a demon drug from Mexico so it took the two most common Mexican names Mary and Juan and combined them to create a supposedly dangerous drug. It never was, but it posed a threat to some big industries......oil and pharmaceuticals as well....now responsible for polluting our planet on an unimaginable scale. Human greed kept a harmless plant from being of use to the human population, and now we are all paying for it...

 

[Deeje]

I wouldn't say cannabis isn't addictive.
It may not be physically addictive like alcohol and tobacco, but I think its potential for mental addiction is often underestimated and/or bagatellized.

It is not physically addictive but useful in treating addictions to other drugs. It can be psychologically addictive for those who just wanted to stay stoned all day so that they did not have to become useful members of society. Pot-heads are a waste of space.
For those pre-disposed, any drug over-used for recreation rather than in controlled doses, medicinally, can lead to mental illness. Any mind altering substance can be a catalyst for that. We need regulation and access to a medicine that is still "dangerous" in the minds of many. I have seen those with neurological disorders as well as the mentally ill also benefit from this useful medicine. Its time people took their blinders off. The Law needs to catch up to reality.

For those with intractable epilepsy or PTSD, pharma drugs only make them worse. Cannabis can replace so many drugs and this is why 'big pharma' wants it to remain out of reach...until they themselves can cash in on the drug that they demonized decades ago. They need time for patents and testing so they can count their profits into the future, but their poor imitations will not be as effective as the whole plant medicine cannabis was designed to be. You can't patent a plant.

 

[Heyo]

Yes, the whole demonization had to do with a disconnect from the usefulness of hemp as product with a multitude of uses....easy to grow, high yield, and farmers would never run out business as the uses for hemp would have kept growing.

I believe that Henry Ford made a car out of hemp.

Imagine if Hemp vehicles could stand up to hail damage? What would have happened to the steel industry?

Hemp could replace petroleum as a non polluting bio-fuel. In the manufacture of plastics, it was bio-degradable meaning that if it ended up in the ocean or in land fill it would feed the marine creatures instead of killing them and it would fertilize the land it was buried in.....

The name marijuana was to infer a demon drug from Mexico so it took the two most common Mexican names Mary and Juan and combined them to create a supposedly dangerous drug. It never was, but it posed a threat to some big industries......oil and pharmaceuticals as well....now responsible for polluting our planet on an unimaginable scale. Human greed kept a harmless plant from being of use to the human population, and now we are all paying for it...

While some of the information you post is wrong or exaggerated, the gist is true. Producing and studying hemp would have been beneficial.
(In the "hemp" car, hemp is only the fibre. You need (artificial) resin to make it sturdy, just as is done with glass or carbon fibre. And they didn't replace steel.)
(Resin enforced fibre and processed fibres (cellulose and celluloid) are still not easily degradable (but better than plastics).)
(Hemp as a bio fuel would have all the downsides of any bio fuel, like rapeseed or corn.)
(Today hemp is threatening pharma mostly but in the day it was threatening to replace wood as a (cheap) paper source. William Hearst, who had just bought massive forests was protecting that investment.)
In short, hemp is not the silver bullet it is often hyped to be. None-the-less it is a very useful plant.

 

[Deeje]

While some of the information you post is wrong or exaggerated, the gist is true. Producing and studying hemp would have been beneficial.
(In the "hemp" car, hemp is only the fibre. You need (artificial) resin to make it sturdy, just as is done with glass or carbon fibre. And they didn't replace steel.)
(Resin enforced fibre and processed fibres (cellulose and celluloid) are still not easily degradable (but better than plastics).)
(Hemp as a bio fuel would have all the downsides of any bio fuel, like rapeseed or corn.)
(Today hemp is threatening pharma mostly but in the day it was threatening to replace wood as a (cheap) paper source. William Hearst, who had just bought massive forests was protecting that investment.)
In short, hemp is not the silver bullet it is often hyped to be. None-the-less it is a very useful plant.

 

[Heyo]

Yep. That's exactly the stoner, fanboy hyperbole I was talking about.
But even if only half of what she said is half true (about the right ballpark), hemp is still an amazing product. So, no need to exaggerate. It will induce more scepticism that enthusiasm.