Jesus vs the New Testament

[Desert Snake]

Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Or is the new testament a faulty set of texts that don't represent the Man from Nazareth, the divine manifestation. How much of the new testament, is just straight fiction?

And no, this isn't about yoheshua being that 'rabbi', that materialists love to present as some form of quasi religion, the premise is religiously traditional, for this argument,
Divine Jesus, manifestation,
There are many things in the new testament that are valuable, however is it, as a whole, representative.


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[sooda]

Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Or is the new testament a faulty set of texts that don't represent the Man from Nazareth, the divine manifestation. How much of the new testament, is just straight fiction?

And no, this isn't about yoheshua being that 'rabbi', that materialists love to present as some form of quasi religion, the premise is religiously traditional, for this argument,
Divine Jesus, manifestation,
There are many things in the new testament that are valuable, however is it, as a whole, representative.


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Why do you say yoheshua?

Mots of Jesus ministry was around Galilee and the Decapolis because he was safer up there.. He was speaking Greek and Aramaic.

He was a Jew and a rabbi.

 

[Desert Snake]

Why do you say yoheshua?

Mots of Jesus ministry was around Galilee and the Decapolis because he was safer up there.. He was speaking Greek and Aramaic.

He was a Jew and a rabbi.

Didn't practice what is known as Judaism, so vague.

This answer is just vague in general.

 

[Desert Snake]

Why do you say yoheshua?

Mots of Jesus ministry was around Galilee and the Decapolis because he was safer up there.. He was speaking Greek and Aramaic.

He was a Jew and a rabbi.

Some use the name Yoheshua for the Biblical Jesus, it means the same person, even though I don't believe His name is Yoheshua. Perhaps they are different people.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Or is the new testament a faulty set of texts that don't represent the Man from Nazareth, the divine manifestation. How much of the new testament, is just straight fiction?

And no, this isn't about yoheshua being that 'rabbi', that materialists love to present as some form of quasi religion, the premise is religiously traditional, for this argument,
Divine Jesus, manifestation,
There are many things in the new testament that are valuable, however is it, as a whole, representative.


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Yes, the New Testament represents Jesus well.. If there is an issue it would be the New Testament is not as well read or understood by many

The Super Epic Psalms - How the Longest Psalms Point to Jesus

 

[sooda]

Didn't practice what is known as Judaism, so vague.

This answer is just vague in general.

Jesus was an observant Jew.. He didn't come to start a new religion.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Jesus was an observant Jew.. He didn't come to start a new religion.

He did speak of a new covenant in his blood at the last supper and a new covenant is spoken of by Jeremiah around chapter 33-34

So sort of new... sort of old

The Super Epic Psalms - How the Longest Psalms Point to Jesus

 

[PureX]

Is Jesus contradicting Himself? Or is the new testament a faulty set of texts that don't represent the Man from Nazareth, the divine manifestation. How much of the new testament, is just straight fiction?

And no, this isn't about yoheshua being that 'rabbi', that materialists love to present as some form of quasi religion, the premise is religiously traditional, for this argument,
Divine Jesus, manifestation,
There are many things in the new testament that are valuable, however is it, as a whole, representative.

There is no definitive answer to your question, except to say that it is very likely the gospels are some combination of historical facts and mythology intended to convey a specific set of religious concepts and ideals to succeeding generations. But which is which is the subject of long-standing and on-going speculation and debate. As are the concepts and ideals that are being derived from them.

I, personally, don't see how this matters, really, since it is the religious concept and ideals that are being conveyed to us that are the essence and intent of the writings. The actual historicity of the texts are irrelevant in that it lends no logical support to the validity of the content, to us.

 

[BSM1]

Why do you say yoheshua?

Mots of Jesus ministry was around Galilee and the Decapolis because he was safer up there.. He was speaking Greek and Aramaic.

He was a Jew and a rabbi.

I use to think he was a Rabbi because he was from the house of David. However, a Biblical scholar pointed out to me that Joseph was not his father so he actually had no lineage.

 

[exchemist]

Why do you say yoheshua?

Mots of Jesus ministry was around Galilee and the Decapolis because he was safer up there.. He was speaking Greek and Aramaic.

He was a Jew and a rabbi.

Representative? The only source we have for the life and teaching of Jesus is the New Testament, isn't it? So how are we to judge how "representative" it is, when no other vantage point is available to us?

 

[Desert Snake]

He did speak of a new covenant in his blood at the last supper and a new covenant is spoken of by Jeremiah around chapter 33-34

So sort of new... sort of old

The Super Epic Psalms - How the Longest Psalms Point to Jesus

It's Prophetic, agreed. Though obviously 'new', in many ways, varying by perspective, in the first place.

That perspective isn't what is known as Judaism.

 

[whirlingmerc]

I use to think he was a Rabbi because he was from the house of David. However, a Biblical scholar pointed out to me that Joseph was not his father so he actually had no lineage.

Both Mary and Joseph were of the line of David.
Legally of David through Joseph
Actually of David though Mary

 

[sooda]

I use to think he was a Rabbi because he was from the house of David. However, a Biblical scholar pointed out to me that Joseph was not his father so he actually had no lineage.

Rabbi just means teacher. House of David has nothing to do with it.

Heli was Mary's father.

 

[BSM1]

Both Mary and Joseph were of the line of David.
Legally of David through Joseph
Actually of David though Mary

True, but you went by your paternal lineage...and, of course, Yeshua's father was not Ol' Joe.

 

[sooda]

Representative? The only source we have for the life and teaching of Jesus is the New Testament, isn't it? So how are we to judge how "representative" it is, when no other vantage point is available to us?

Mark 9:5 5Peter said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters-one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah."

Matthew 23:7-8 7they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called 'Rabbi' by others. 8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.

 

[BSM1]

Rabbi just means teacher. House of David has nothing to do with it.

Heli was Mary's father.

Yes, rabbi means teacher. However, Rabbi (capital R) is a title used like Pastor, or Father, or Imam. To be a Rabbi in the Synagogue at the time you had to be from the House of Levi. Jesus had no paternal lineage. Anyone could be a teacher, but not everyone could be a Rabbi.

 

[BSM1]

Representative? The only source we have for the life and teaching of Jesus is the New Testament, isn't it? So how are we to judge how "representative" it is, when no other vantage point is available to us?

You could give "The Urantia Book" a look-see.

 

[sooda]

Yes, rabbi means teacher. However, Rabbi (capital R) is a title used like Pastor, or Father, or Imam. To be a Rabbi in the Synagogue at the time you had to be from the House of Levi. Jesus had no paternal lineage. Anyone could be a teacher, but not everyone could be a Rabbi.

Matrilineality in Judaism or matrilineal descent in Judaism is the tracing of Jewish descent through the maternal line. .. Pretty much been that was since Ezra into the present. If your mother is a Jew, you are a Jew.

 

[BSM1]

Matrilineality in Judaism or matrilineal descent in Judaism is the tracing of Jewish descent through the maternal line. .. Pretty much been that was since Ezra into the present. If your mother is a Jew, you are a Jew.

But...but...this has absolutely nothing to do with what we've been discussing. No one has ever said Jesus wasn't a Jew (or Capricorn, for that matter), we were discussing his qualification for a true Rabbiship.

 

[sooda]

But...but...this has absolutely nothing to do with what we've been discussing. No one has ever said Jesus wasn't a Jew (or Capricorn, for that matter), we were discussing his qualification for a true Rabbiship.

He was called Rabbi.. Nothing about him being a priest in the Temple.

Revelation 22:16 will have the final say. “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”