Jesus Will Never Return

[MJFlores]

Right! Jews don't gather in churches. That's not that the Jews like to pray to a wall but at the memory the Wall represents. The destruction of the Temple. Hence, it is called "The Wailing Wall" aka the Wall of Lamentations. The custom does not come from the Tanach but from the time the Temple was destroyed.

So it became a tradition and not in the Tanach. Wow. Then that becomes a sort of idolatry.

The quote in Zephaniah 1:2-4 is a reference to the destruction of Temple. "I'll destroy Mankind from the face of the earth" is a hyperbolic statement of the prophet as a sign of emotional eruption due to the adoption of the cult of Baal and to the hosts of Heaven from the roofs of their dwellings.

Come on, man! It appears on your Bible and mine and you say it is hyperbole? The entire Chapter 1 a hyperbole?

Zephaniah 1 New International Version (NIV)

The word of the Lord that came to Zephaniah son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, during the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah:

“I will sweep away everything
from the face of the earth,”
declares the Lord.
“I will sweep away both man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds in the sky
and the fish in the sea—
and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.”
“When I destroy all mankind
on the face of the earth,”
declares the Lord,
“I will stretch out my hand against Judah
and against all who live in Jerusalem.
I will destroy every remnant of Baal worship in this place,
the very names of the idolatrous priests—
those who bow down on the roofs
to worship the starry host,
those who bow down and swear by the Lord
and who also swear by Molek,
those who turn back from following the Lord
and neither seek the Lord nor inquire of him.”
Be silent before the Sovereign Lord,
for the day of the Lord is near.
The Lord has prepared a sacrifice;
he has consecrated those he has invited.
“On the day of the Lord’s sacrifice
I will punish the officials
and the king’s sons
and all those clad
in foreign clothes.
On that day I will punish
all who avoid stepping on the threshold,
who fill the temple of their gods
with violence and deceit.
“On that day,”
declares the Lord,
“a cry will go up from the Fish Gate,
wailing from the New Quarter,
and a loud crash from the hills.
Wail, you who live in the market district;
all your merchants will be wiped out,
all who trade with silver will be destroyed.
At that time I will search Jerusalem with lamps
and punish those who are complacent,
who are like wine left on its dregs,
who think, ‘The Lord will do nothing,
either good or bad.’
Their wealth will be plundered,
their houses demolished.
Though they build houses,
they will not live in them;
though they plant vineyards,
they will not drink the wine.”
The great day of the Lord is near—
near and coming quickly.
The cry on the day of the Lord is bitter;
the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry.
That day will be a day of wrath—
a day of distress and anguish,
a day of trouble and ruin,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness—
a day of trumpet and battle cry
against the fortified cities
and against the corner towers.
“I will bring such distress on all people
that they will grope about like those who are blind,
because they have sinned against the Lord.
Their blood will be poured out like dust
and their entrails like dung.
Neither their silver nor their gold
will be able to save them
on the day of the Lord’s wrath.”
In the fire of his jealousy
the whole earth will be consumed,
for he will make a sudden end
of all who live on the earth.

 

[Ben Avraham]

So it became a tradition and not in the Tanach. Wow. Then that becomes a sort of idolatry.

Come on, man! It appears on your Bible and mine and you say it is hyperbole? The entire Chapter 1 a hyperbole?

Zephaniah 1 New International Version (NIV)

The word of the Lord that came to Zephaniah son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hezekiah, during the reign of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah:

“I will sweep away everything
from the face of the earth,”
declares the Lord.
“I will sweep away both man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds in the sky
and the fish in the sea—
and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.”
“When I destroy all mankind
on the face of the earth,”
declares the Lord,
“I will stretch out my hand against Judah
and against all who live in Jerusalem.
I will destroy every remnant of Baal worship in this place,
the very names of the idolatrous priests—
those who bow down on the roofs
to worship the starry host,
those who bow down and swear by the Lord
and who also swear by Molek,
those who turn back from following the Lord
and neither seek the Lord nor inquire of him.”
Be silent before the Sovereign Lord,
for the day of the Lord is near.
The Lord has prepared a sacrifice;
he has consecrated those he has invited.
“On the day of the Lord’s sacrifice
I will punish the officials
and the king’s sons
and all those clad
in foreign clothes.
On that day I will punish
all who avoid stepping on the threshold,
who fill the temple of their gods
with violence and deceit.
“On that day,”
declares the Lord,
“a cry will go up from the Fish Gate,
wailing from the New Quarter,
and a loud crash from the hills.
Wail, you who live in the market district;
all your merchants will be wiped out,
all who trade with silver will be destroyed.
At that time I will search Jerusalem with lamps
and punish those who are complacent,
who are like wine left on its dregs,
who think, ‘The Lord will do nothing,
either good or bad.’
Their wealth will be plundered,
their houses demolished.
Though they build houses,
they will not live in them;
though they plant vineyards,
they will not drink the wine.”
The great day of the Lord is near—
near and coming quickly.
The cry on the day of the Lord is bitter;
the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry.
That day will be a day of wrath—
a day of distress and anguish,
a day of trouble and ruin,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and blackness—
a day of trumpet and battle cry
against the fortified cities
and against the corner towers.
“I will bring such distress on all people
that they will grope about like those who are blind,
because they have sinned against the Lord.
Their blood will be poured out like dust
and their entrails like dung.
Neither their silver nor their gold
will be able to save them
on the day of the Lord’s wrath.”
In the fire of his jealousy
the whole earth will be consumed,
for he will make a sudden end
of all who live on the earth.

All the Prophets throughout the Tanach spoke metaphorically and allegorically. Also Jesus, about 75% of his messages were delivered parabolically. The Truth, when given as fast and easy to the understanding, as fast and easy, it can be discarded from the mind. One must wonder about what hides behind the words of a message.

 

[MJFlores]

All the Prophets throughout the Tanach spoke metaphorically and allegorically. Also Jesus, about 75% of his messages were delivered parabolically. The Truth, when given as fast and easy to the understanding, as fast and easy, it can be discarded from the mind. One must wonder about what hides behind the words of a message.

So the Lord Jesus Christ was proven right when he said:

Mark 4:11
He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables

Luke 8:10
He said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’

 

[Redemptionsong]

The dream of Jonah had absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. The Hellenist who wrote the book attributed to Matthew was a former disciple of Paul's. He, the author, even committed a blunder when he specified "three days and three nights" (Mat. 12:40) and Jesus did not spend more than about three hours in the tomb before he was was removed by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus and transferred into another place where they could take care of his woulds. (John 19:38,39)

Night visions...dreams...they are still God revealing his word to mankind. Jesus made an association with Jonah's prophecy because he knew it pointed to his own death and resurrection.

The Jews you describe negatively as 'Hellenists' were as orthodox as any Jew to be found in Jerusalem. The Gospels themselves are the final test of truth; and where in the Gospels can you show the writers to be in error?

Lastly, the accounts provided by the Gospel writers do show that Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. It's erroneous tradition, rather than scripture, that has led people to think otherwise. If you check out the thread 'Three days and three nights' you'll find a long discussion on this topic, which concludes that Jesus was most likely crucified on a Wednesday and resurrected following the Sabbath. It fits with scripture, if you read all the accounts.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Night visions...dreams...they are still God revealing his word to mankind. Jesus made an association with Jonah's prophecy because he knew it pointed to his own death and resurrection.The Jews you describe negatively as 'Hellenists' were as orthodox as any Jew to be found in Jerusalem. The Gospels themselves are the final test of truth; and where in the Gospels can you show the writers to be in error?

Lastly, the accounts provided by the Gospel writers do show that Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. It's erroneous tradition, rather than scripture, that has led people to think otherwise. If you check out the thread 'Three days and three nights' you'll find a long discussion on this topic, which concludes that Jesus was most likely crucified on a Wednesday and resurrected following the Sabbath. It fits with scripture, if you read all the accounts.

The Hoax of the Three Days and Three Nights

On the third day or in three days, simply means after a short period of time. (Hosea 6:2)

Night or day for three days, as we have in the request of Esther to fast for her, means three days or three nights whether one follows the tradition to fast by day or by night. Those terms were used here because it was in the Diaspora where most Persians followed the tradition to fast by night. So, Esther's maids who were not Jewish, would share Esther's pain by showing their solidarity with their night fast. (Esther 4:16)

The case of Jonah dispenses all explanation because it happened during a vision. Therefore metaphorical language. That could be the entire three days and three nights, since everything is possible in a vision or dream. (Jonah 2:1)

Now, for the three days and three nights we are talking about, for Jesus to spend in the tomb, according to Matthew 12:40, the writer must have had a very poor insight about parables or metaphorical language to draw his prophecy in the terms of Jonah's allegory. If he had used the language of Esther or Hosea, he could have saved his prophecy from being a hoax, but now he must account for the whole three days and three nights or parts thereof.

We don't even need another gospel writer to contradict the one of Matthew. This contradicts himself as he declares that the next day, the one following the Day of Preparation, the chief Priests asked Pilate for a guard of soldiers to watch the tomb area for three days. (Mat. 27:62-64) The Jewish Preparation Day is always Friday, and the following day is the Sabbath.

Then, after that Sabbath, as the first day was dawning, the women went to see the sepulcher, there was an earthquake, an "angel" came down from Heaven, removed the stone, and the tomb was empty. Someone had cheated the angel by raising Jesus from there long before the "angel" could at least be an eyewitness to the resurrection.

Based on the Jewish method that a whole day or night can be accounted for any part of the day or night, we can consider the first day for those minutes that took Joseph of Arimathea to get Jesus into the tomb before sunset. The first night from sunset to sundawn of Saturday, the second day from sundawn Saturday to sunset that Saturday, and the second night from sunset that Saturday to the sundawn of the first day. It was still dark when the women arrived at the tomb to find it empty. Therefore we are missing a whole day and a whole night to save Matthew 12:40 from becoming a prophetical hoax and a classical contradiction in the NT.

Any volunteers to solve this puzzle?

 

[Ben Avraham]

So the Lord Jesus Christ was proven right when he said:
Mark 4:11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables. Luke 8:10 He said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’

Right. Since he came for the Jews only, according to Mat. 15:24, the Jews cannot be from those outside. So, to them nothing was spoken in secret about the Kingdom of God. It means he used parable only for the Gentiles.

 

[MJFlores]

Right. Since he came for the Jews only, according to Mat. 15:24, the Jews cannot be from those outside. So, to them nothing was spoken in secret about the Kingdom of God. It means he used parable only for the Gentiles.

He came for the Israelites but what did they do?

Acts 5:30
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree.

Acts 7:52
Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers,

The mission of the Lord Jesus isn't exclusively for the Jews, but it extended to the Gentiles after apostle Paul's commissioning.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Romans 3:22
This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,

Romans 3:29
Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,

The thing is the Jews of today could not accept the Lord Jesus Christ and people think following Christ is just a waste of time, on which the gospel is proven correct.

1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

Ben, what is the small box being worn by the Jews today?

Sometimes when I watch the news and Israelis are featured I would see these

• boxes on the head
• straps on their arms

What are those?

 

[Redemptionsong]

The Hoax of the Three Days and Three Nights

On the third day or in three days, simply means after a short period of time. (Hosea 6:2)

Night or day for three days, as we have in the request of Esther to fast for her, means three days or three nights whether one follows the tradition to fast by day or by night. Those terms were used here because it was in the Diaspora where most Persians followed the tradition to fast by night. So, Esther's maids who were not Jewish, would share Esther's pain by showing their solidarity with their night fast. (Esther 4:16)

The case of Jonah dispenses all explanation because it happened during a vision. Therefore metaphorical language. That could be the entire three days and three nights, since everything is possible in a vision or dream. (Jonah 2:1)

Now, for the three days and three nights we are talking about, for Jesus to spend in the tomb, according to Matthew 12:40, the writer must have had a very poor insight about parables or metaphorical language to draw his prophecy in the terms of Jonah's allegory. If he had used the language of Esther or Hosea, he could have saved his prophecy from being a hoax, but now he must account for the whole three days and three nights or parts thereof.

We don't even need another gospel writer to contradict the one of Matthew. This contradicts himself as he declares that the next day, the one following the Day of Preparation, the chief Priests asked Pilate for a guard of soldiers to watch the tomb area for three days. (Mat. 27:62-64) The Jewish Preparation Day is always Friday, and the following day is the Sabbath.

Then, after that Sabbath, as the first day was dawning, the women went to see the sepulcher, there was an earthquake, an "angel" came down from Heaven, removed the stone, and the tomb was empty. Someone had cheated the angel by raising Jesus from there long before the "angel" could at least be an eyewitness to the resurrection.

Based on the Jewish method that a whole day or night can be accounted for any part of the day or night, we can consider the first day for those minutes that took Joseph of Arimathea to get Jesus into the tomb before sunset. The first night from sunset to sundawn of Saturday, the second day from sundawn Saturday to sunset that Saturday, and the second night from sunset that Saturday to the sundawn of the first day. It was still dark when the women arrived at the tomb to find it empty. Therefore we are missing a whole day and a whole night to save Matthew 12:40 from becoming a prophetical hoax and a classical contradiction in the NT.

Any volunteers to solve this puzzle?

Having spent some time pondering this apparent inconsistency, I have the following solution for you to consider.

I agree, three days and three nights is a specific reference to time, unlike the expression 'three days'. So it is necessary to show that Jesus was entombed for three days and three nights. If that cannot be done, then there is an issue with the accuracy and consistency of New Testament scripture. For Jesus clearly stated that the Son of man would be 'three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' (Matthew 12:40)

My disagreement with you begins with your statement that the Jewish Preparation Day is always Friday. You say this because you are thinking of the weekly sabbath. But not all sabbaths are weekly sabbaths. Some, holy convocations, are on the first days of festivals, such as Pesach and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Leviticus 23:5-8, 'In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work therein. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.' This means that the passover eve was a preparation day, and does not necessarily have to have been a Friday.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Having spent some time pondering this apparent inconsistency, I have the following solution for you to consider. I agree, three days and three nights is a specific reference to time, unlike the expression 'three days'. So it is necessary to show that Jesus was entombed for three days and three nights. If that cannot be done, then there is an issue with the accuracy and consistency of New Testament scripture. For Jesus clearly stated that the Son of man would be 'three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' (Matthew 12:40) My disagreement with you begins with your statement that the Jewish Preparation Day is always Friday. You say this because you are thinking of the weekly sabbath. But not all sabbaths are weekly sabbaths. Some, holy convocations, are on the first days of festivals, such as Pesach and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Leviticus 23:5-8, 'In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work therein. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.' This means that the passover eve was a preparation day, and does not necessarily have to have been a Friday.

True that there are other sabbaths with holy convocations such as Pesach. Just before Pesach for instance, the day is called a preparation day but not THE PREPARATION DAY which is always the day of Friday aka the preparation day for the Shabbat. The day Jesus was crucified was Friday, the preparation day for the Shabbat if you read Mat. 28:1. "Now, after the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to down... The first day of the week does not down before but after the Sabbath; and the day that comes before the weekly Sabbath is called Friday, the Preparation day. If you believe your NT, that's were I got this info from. That Sabbath was a Shabbaton because the Passover fell on the weekly Sabbath. When a festival falls on the weekly Shabbat, it is called a special Sabbath.

 

[Ben Avraham]

He came for the Israelites but what did they do? Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, The mission of the Lord Jesus isn't exclusively for the Jews, but it extended to the Gentiles after apostle Paul's commissioning.

That's an anti-Semitic lie by the Greek disciple of Pauls' called Luke. There is nothing more important to a Jew than the Law. So, the Jews could not have murdered a Jew who came to fulfill and to confirm that Law down to the letter as long as Heaven and earth existed. (Mat. 5:17-19) Jesus was killed by the Romans on a political charge of insurrection for having allowed his disciples to acclaim him king of the Jews in Jerusalem which was a Roman province at the time. Hence his verdict INRI nailed on the top of his cross. The Jews in general had nothing to do with the death of Jesus. (Luke 19:37-40)

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. Romans 3:22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, Romans 3:29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, The thing is the Jews of today could not accept the Lord Jesus Christ and people think following Christ is just a waste of time, on which the gospel is proven correct.

I wish Jesus was here today for you to ask him directly about this quote above! Jesus did not like Gentiles, especially if they were Samaritans. Even when he would send his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would warn them not to go the way of the Gentiles, especially if they were of the Samaritan kind. (Mat. 10:5,6)

1 Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, Ben, what is the small box being worn by the Jews today? Sometimes when I watch the news and Israelis are featured I would see these boxes on the head straps on their arms. What are those?

Christians are the ones who make of Jesus a stumbling block, not the Jews. They should try to remember that Jesus was not a Christian but a Jew. Regarding the little boxes on the foreheads and upper arms of the Jews, they are called tephilim by Orthodox religious Jews, not only while praying but also while studying. I would not wonder that Jesus would also make use of them during his prayers and studies in the Temple or at home.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Night visions...dreams...they are still God revealing his word to mankind. Jesus made an association with Jonah's prophecy because he knew it pointed to his own death and resurrection. The Jews you describe negatively as 'Hellenists' were as orthodox as any Jew to be found in Jerusalem. The Gospels themselves are the final test of truth; and where in the Gospels can you show the writers to be in error?
Lastly, the accounts provided by the Gospel writers do show that Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights. It's erroneous tradition, rather than scripture, that has led people to think otherwise. If you check out the thread 'Three days and three nights' you'll find a long discussion on this topic, which concludes that Jesus was most likely crucified on a Wednesday and resurrected following the Sabbath. It fits with scripture, if you read all the accounts.

Jesus made nothing as the NT is concerned. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise. It was all written about him by the Hellenists former disciples of Paul. Nothing you say about the NT as being written by Orthodox Jews, nothing is worthy believing. And what will you do if a show you the errors of the NT? Just for one example, read Mat. 18:1. If Jesus was a Jew, how could he be described to have been born as a demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman? That's not only an error but an attempt at vandalizing the Tanach with Greek Mythology.

Now, read Mat. 28:1 and explain how Jesus could have been crucified on a Wednesday?

 

[MJFlores]

That's an anti-Semitic lie by the Greek disciple of Pauls' called Luke. There is nothing more important to a Jew than the Law. So, the Jews could not have murdered a Jew who came to fulfill and to confirm that Law down to the letter as long as Heaven and earth existed. (Mat. 5:17-19) Jesus was killed by the Romans on a political charge of insurrection for having allowed his disciples to acclaim him king of the Jews in Jerusalem which was a Roman province at the time. Hence his verdict INRI nailed on the top of his cross. The Jews in general had nothing to do with the death of Jesus. (Luke 19:37-40)

I wish Jesus was here today for you to ask him directly about this quote above! Jesus did not like Gentiles, especially if they were Samaritans. Even when he would send his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would warn them not to go the way of the Gentiles, especially if they were of the Samaritan kind. (Mat. 10:5,6)

Christians are the ones who make of Jesus a stumbling block, not the Jews. They should try to remember that Jesus was not a Christian but a Jew. Regarding the little boxes on the foreheads and upper arms of the Jews, they are called tephilim by Orthodox religious Jews, not only while praying but also while studying. I would not wonder that Jesus would also make use of them during his prayers and studies in the Temple or at home.

Interesting.

Tefillin - Wikipedia

According to wikipedia it is also called "phylacteries" and the New Testament Bible also mention this:

Matthew 23:1-7 New International Version (NIV)

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

Since the Lord Jesus mentioned this - I think he did not use them.

Actually, the murder of the Lord Jesus Christ rest on Israelites during his time here on earth. It also rest on the Romans for giving in to the crowd. What is gleaning is the Israelites in those hey days, uttered something emphatic.

Matthew 27:24-26 New International Version (NIV)

When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”

All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”

Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.

That is why the prophecy about the Lord Jesus Christ of the prophet Daniel came true:

Daniel 9:25-27 New International Version (NIV)

“Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

Apostle Luke is an Israelite, himself and couldn't be anti-semetic.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Matthew 23:1-7 New International Version (NIV) Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others. Since the Lord Jesus mentioned this - I think he did not use them.

Jesus said nothing of the above. It was all said by the anti-Semites Hellenists former disciples of Paul who wrote the gospels. BTW, since you have mentioned Mat. 23 above, if you read verses from 13 to 33, Jesus broke the Golden Rule 15 times only in that text. The Golden Rule covers the whole second part of the Decalogue. Serious transgressions Jesus committed if we are to believe the guy who wrote that gospel and attributed it to Matthew the Apostle.

Actually, the murder of the Lord Jesus Christ rest on Israelites during his time here on earth. It also rest on the Romans for giving in to the crowd. What is gleaning is the Israelites in those hey days, uttered something emphatic. Matthew 27:24-26 New International Version (NIV) When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”

This only shows that you have never had the chance to read "The Wars of the Jews" by Josephus. You describe Pilate above as being a Jew-lover when he hated Jews as much as Hitler if you read Josephus.

All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!” Then he released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified. That is why the prophecy about the Lord Jesus Christ of the prophet Daniel came true: Daniel 9:25-27 New International Version (NIV) “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” Apostle Luke is an Israelite, himself and couldn't be anti-semetic.

The Jewish People could have never given that answer to Pilate. The prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus, unless one reads it under the spell of Christian preconceived notions. The Anointed One of the Lord, if you read Habakkuk 3:13 is a reference to Israel as the text says, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel, the Son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23. Luke was a Greek, disciple of Paul's, and never an apostle of Jesus. Even the NT does not say so. It seems to me you need to learn how to understand the NT.

 

[Redemptionsong]

True that there are other sabbaths with holy convocations such as Pesach. Just before Pesach for instance, the day is called a preparation day but not THE PREPARATION DAY which is always the day of Friday aka the preparation day for the Shabbat. The day Jesus was crucified was Friday, the preparation day for the Shabbat if you read Mat. 28:1. "Now, after the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to down... The first day of the week does not down before but after the Sabbath; and the day that comes before the weekly Sabbath is called Friday, the Preparation day. If you believe your NT, that's were I got this info from. That Sabbath was a Shabbaton because the Passover fell on the weekly Sabbath. When a festival falls on the weekly Shabbat, it is called a special Sabbath.

The reason I can say for sure that the preparation day was the day before Pesach, and not the day before the weekly Sabbath, is because we are told this explicitly in another of the Gospels. John 19:14 reads, 'And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!'
When one harmonises the Gospel accounts, it is possible to see that the 'scripture cannot be broken'. It was definitely the 'preparation of the passover' when Jesus was crucified.
So let's look again at Matthew 28:1. It says, 'In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.'

This verse is preceded by five verses in Matthew chapter 27 which say this; 'Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, Saying, Sir, we remember that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. Command therefore that the sepulchre be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first. Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as you can. So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.'

It is clear from this passage that the priests and Pharisees were taking Jesus' words literally. The three days were taken to be a period of three full days. The priests and Pharisees were concerned that the disciples would try to steal the body during this time period, so they did what they could to guard against theft. They 'made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch', 'until the third day'. The watch must therefore have been set for up to three days from their visit to Pilate.

So the priests and Pharisees went to see Pilate on the day after the crucifixion (after the preparation day), which according to you was the weekly sabbath. And according to your version, a few hours later, at the end of the sabbath, the women were visiting the sepulchre and saw 'the angel of the Lord' who had been instructed to roll back the stone from the door. The angel says to them, 'He is not here; for he is risen, as he said.'

So the angel confirmed the words of Jesus. But Jesus did not say 'After one day'. He said 'so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.' (Matthew 12:40) The women did not visit the sepulchre two nights after the crucifixion, but three nights after! So work backwards from this time and you get to Wednesday as the preparation day. That makes Thursday as the first day of Unleavened Bread, Friday as Sabbath eve and Saturday as the weekly day of rest. Resurrection would have taken place sometime on the Sabbath night, thus giving three full days (Thursday, Friday and Saturday) and three full nights (Wednesday, Thursday and Friday) when the body of Jesus would have been 'in the earth'.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Jesus made nothing as the NT is concerned. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise. It was all written about him by the Hellenists former disciples of Paul. Nothing you say about the NT as being written by Orthodox Jews, nothing is worthy believing. And what will you do if a show you the errors of the NT? Just for one example, read Mat. 18:1. If Jesus was a Jew, how could he be described to have been born as a demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman? That's not only an error but an attempt at vandalizing the Tanach with Greek Mythology.

Now, read Mat. 28:1 and explain how Jesus could have been crucified on a Wednesday?

Did you mean Matthew 18:1? I don't see the connection between the scripture and your question.

Now let me ask you a question. Who is the shepherd in Psalm 23?

 

[Ben Avraham]

The reason I can say for sure that the preparation day was the day before Pesach, and not the day before the weekly Sabbath, is because we are told this explicitly in another of the Gospels. John 19:14 reads, 'And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!' When one harmonises the Gospel accounts, it is possible to see that the 'scripture cannot be broken'. It was definitely the 'preparation of the passover' when Jesus was crucified. So let's look again at Matthew 28:1. It says, 'In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.' This verse is preceded by five verses in Matthew chapter 27 which say this; 'Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, Saying, Sir, we remember that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. Command therefore that the sepulchre be made secure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first. Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as you can. So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.'

"Which follow THE DAY OF PREPARATION" is the final evidence to confirm the fact that Sunday is the day that comes after the weekly Sabbath. There is no way you can insert a Christian claim to distort the truth.

It is clear from this passage that the priests and Pharisees were taking Jesus' words literally. The three days were taken to be a period of three full days. The priests and Pharisees were concerned that the disciples would try to steal the body during this time period, so they did what they could to guard against theft. They 'made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch', 'until the third day'. The watch must therefore have been set for up to three days from their visit to Pilate.

It didn't help because, even the angel claimed by the gospel writer to have come down to remove the stone saw that the tomb was empty. Jesus had been removed from the tomb and, if you ask me, by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus a few hours, perhaps 2 or 3 after Jesus had been laid there to rest.

So the priests and Pharisees went to see Pilate on the day after the crucifixion (after the preparation day), which according to you was the weekly sabbath. And according to your version, a few hours later, at the end of the sabbath, the women were visiting the sepulchre and saw 'the angel of the Lord' who had been instructed to roll back the stone from the door. The angel says to them, 'He is not here; for he is risen, as he said.'

The priests would never do that on the Sabbath. It had to be in the NT that was free to break all the Jewish rules as the Law was concerned.

So the angel confirmed the words of Jesus. But Jesus did not say 'After one day'. He said 'so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.'(Matthew 12:40) The women did not visit the sepulchre two nights after the crucifixion, but three nights after! So work backwards from this time and you get to Wednesday as the preparation day. That makes Thursday as the first day of Unleavened Bread, Friday as Sabbath eve and Saturday as the weekly day of rest. Resurrection would have taken place sometime on the Sabbath night, thus giving three full days (Thursday, Friday and Saturday) and three full nights (Wednesday, Thursday and Friday) when the body of Jesus would have been 'in the earth'.

Not according to me but to your own NT. And the son of man did not spend even about 2 or 3 hours in the tomb; and I tell you, before the tomb was sealed. Funny to say, but Joseph of Arimathea had made a fool out of the soldiers set there to watch an empty tomb. But the thing could not be the way you have decided today after two thousands years. You cannot write a new gospel after no one exists anymore.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Did you mean Matthew 18:1? I don't see the connection between the scripture and your question.

Now let me ask you a question. Who is the shepherd in Psalm 23?

The Psalm was authored by king David and HaShem was his shepherd. The Lord is my Shepherd, said
King David.

 

[MJFlores]

Jesus said nothing of the above. It was all said by the anti-Semites Hellenists former disciples of Paul who wrote the gospels. BTW, since you have mentioned Mat. 23 above, if you read verses from 13 to 33, Jesus broke the Golden Rule 15 times only in that text. The Golden Rule covers the whole second part of the Decalogue. Serious transgressions Jesus committed if we are to believe the guy who wrote that gospel and attributed it to Matthew the Apostle.

This only shows that you have never had the chance to read "The Wars of the Jews" by Josephus. You describe Pilate above as being a Jew-lover when he hated Jews as much as Hitler if you read Josephus.

The Jewish People could have never given that answer to Pilate. The prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus, unless one reads it under the spell of Christian preconceived notions. The Anointed One of the Lord, if you read Habakkuk 3:13 is a reference to Israel as the text says, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel, the Son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23. Luke was a Greek, disciple of Paul's, and never an apostle of Jesus. Even the NT does not say so. It seems to me you need to learn how to understand the NT.

When I quote the Bible, Ben you can check it so it is there.

Jesus broke the Golden Rule? By criticizing the Pharisees and Sadducees and their man made rules? OK because he has the authority to say so.

But whatever you say that Jesus isn't and Paul isn't doesn't really hold substance because what was meant to be, was and is today.

The Lord Jesus is in heaven. Paul and the rest of the apostles are in their graves so are the people who died in Christ. Even King David is still waiting for salvation when Christ returns.

Acts 2:29
“Fellow Israelites, I may say to you confidently of our ancestor David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.

Which I have another question - why would some Jews worship the dead?

In this picture, some Jews are praying over the tomb of King David. Why is this so?

 

[Redemptionsong]

"Which follow THE DAY OF PREPARATION" is the final evidence to confirm the fact that Sunday is the day that comes after the weekly Sabbath. There is no way you can insert a Christian claim to distort the truth.

I have no intention of distorting the truth. As I have stated on many occasions, I believe the scripture speaks for itself.
So look at the relevant passages again. The answers must lie in scripture.
Firstly, Jesus had consistently stated that he had been sent by his Father to die. Matthew 20:28, 'Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.' Other prophets support this. John the Baptist, for example, said 'Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.' (John 1:29)
Secondly, as the Lamb of God, Jesus fulfilled his mission perfectly. He was a lamb without blemish and spot (1 Peter 2:22; Exodus 12:5). He was chosen on the tenth day of Nisan - the day of his Triumphal entry into Jerusalem (John 12:12; Exodus 12:3). They put the exact value on the lamb that Tanach prophecy predicted (Matthew 26:15; Zechariah 11:12). Not a bone of Jesus was broken (John 19:36; Exodus 12:46; Psalm 34:20). He was killed on the 14 Nisan between the evenings (John19:31;Exodus 12:6).
John 19:14 and 19:31 clearly state that it was the preparation day of the passover when Jesus was killed. This was the 14 Nisan. So the priests and Pharisees visited Pilate on the first day of Unleavened Bread, during the day that followed the traditional Seder meal. They asked for the tomb to be sealed until three days were complete.

It didn't help because, even the angel claimed by the gospel writer to have come down to remove the stone saw that the tomb was empty. Jesus had been removed from the tomb and, if you ask me, by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus a few hours, perhaps 2 or 3 after Jesus had been laid there to rest.

The scripture says, 'the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it.' So the angel opened the tomb so that the risen Lord could walk out.
It makes no sense whatsoever to suggest that Joseph and Nicodemus would have removed the body. They had just gone to great lengths to entomb Jesus' body before the high day, and were intending to rest as was the custom. Joseph had given up his own tomb in order to ensure Jesus' body had a place to lie.

The priests would never do that on the Sabbath. It had to be in the NT that was free to break all the Jewish rules as the Law was concerned.

It was probably not the weekly sabbath, but a high holy day. The priests and Pharisees involved clearly felt that the issue was important enough to warrant a a hearing with the governor. Let's not forget that only days earlier Jesus had been welcomed into Jerusalem as the son of David (Matthew 21:9). The religious authorities were keen to put an end to what they saw as a false Messianic claim.

Not according to me but to your own NT. And the son of man did not spend even about 2 or 3 hours in the tomb; and I tell you, before the tomb was sealed. Funny to say, but Joseph of Arimathea had made a fool out of the soldiers set there to watch an empty tomb. But the thing could not be the way you have decided today after two thousands years. You cannot write a new gospel after no one exists anymore.

Needless to say, the account found in scripture is watertight, unlike the version you are making up! If you read all the accounts and fit the pieces together carefully you have a perfect record of events as they happened.

 

[Redemptionsong]

The Psalm was authored by king David and HaShem was his shepherd. The Lord is my Shepherd, said
King David.

I assume you also believe that the Lord is your shepherd?

Now read Ezekiel 34:23,24. It says, 'And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David: he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them: I the LORD have spoken it.'

God has set up his servant David as his shepherd over Israel. So how do you respond to this? It doesn't take a great logician to realise that 'my servant David' must be Israel's shepherd and LORD.