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Jewish Shekhinah, Christian & Mormon Holy Spirit

A partial paper I wrote since I can't post long papers on this forum. That's why footnote 1 is missing. I have had good comments on this part, so thought I would share. I'm attempting to help Mormons see they aren't the only ones who have good scriptures and ideas. This is a subject near and dear to me because of so many Mormons in my life, whom I love, have no desire to upset, but I think who need to see the larger picture. Mormon women are wondering where is the Divine Feminine in their religion? Jews have Shekhinah, Catholics Mary, where is our Mom in Mormonism? It is to that to which I wrote this. They can, with great profit look outside their own traditions and receive greater light and knowledge and assurance as well as within their tradition. It's not a sin to look outside of what you officially are taught in religion.

Joseph Smith said on an occasion “What will save our spirits will save our bodies. Our actions in our earthly tabernacles will determine the future for our spirits.”[2] Isaac Luria, perhaps the greatest medieval Kabbalist taught “During the recitation of the Shema, the lower union transforms into the higher union. Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.”[3]

I am particularly struck at the congruence of these two statements, the overarching truth manifest in them, directly, no deep scholarly elaboration, mystical ululation and difficult expression, no elaborate philosophical jargon and discourse, just two blunt statements of direct truth from two founders of two religions which still have enormous influence in the world today, one from a Mormon, the other from a Jew. And they are exactly the same principle, though culturally expressed with their own particular inflection.

The unification Luria is talking about is the human with the Divine to put it shortly and directly. That is the pure goal and alchemical gold of all esoteric meaning whether Jewish, Muslim Christian or Mormon. Otherwise there is simply no point to anything.

What energized me to write this paper is my reading (I do daily) of the Zohar, in “Parashat Mishpatim: - :Laws,” the “Sava de-Mishpatim” - “Old Man of Mishpatim,” where Rabbi Yose exhults on encountering Rabbi Hiyya - “How happy I am to see the face of Shekhinah.”[4]

Daniel Matt’s comment here on this is quite revealing! “According to rabbinic tradition, ‘whoever welcomes [literally, receives the face of] the wise is considered as if he welcomes Shekhinah…’ The Zohar transforms the rabbinic simile into an actual description of the righteous, who are called the face of Shekhinah ‘because Shekhinah is hidden within them: She is in concealment, they are revealed.’”[5]

Who is Shekhinah? In as short a possible way, She is God’s Wife. She is the Female aspect of God Himself. She is the wife, daughter, sister, everything to do with the Divine feminine God within humanity and God, the great unifier. Her symbolisms elaborated in the Zohar are innumerable as she is one of the singular most important parts of Jewish esoteric spirituality. And Shekhinah as “Mom” (I say this with reverence and adoration, not sarcasm, but holy reverence) is utterly celebrated, cherished, relished, praised, glorified, and loved as longly, loudly, and joyfully as humanly possible in the Zohar. All else may pass away, all things, all galaxies, the entire universe, “Mom” never becomes outdated, or irrelevant or passes away. “Mom” is eternal.

Judaism in its lofty spiritual accomplishment within the elaborate, ornate, and delicious Zohar has brought back a concept which Christian, Muslims, and Mormons can now begin to cherish greater, and appreciate on a vaster scale. This ties in with an astonishing occasion occurring in Jesus’ life which has gone missing in Orthodox Christianity, and which grooves perfectly with the Zohar conception of Shekhinah.

When Jesus was baptized, the image of a dove descended upon him and a voice was heard declaring him the Son. According to some of the Early Christians’ understanding (probably not all of them as they were never actually united in their theological ideas and beliefs), Jerome, one of the many early Christian Church Fathers, quotes the Gospel of the Hebrews which declared that Jesus was the Son the voice had been waiting for. Jesus described that voice as the Holy Spirit “My Mother.”[6]

Gershom Scholem described how Philo described the Creator Father of all, and the Mother of all, and the Son. The Father was the husband of Wisdom (personified wife of God) while the Hebrew Qadosh was described as the Holy Spirit, it was the same spirit who was the Mother in the Hebrew scriptures.[7] This same Godhead of Father, Mother, Son, who was birthed to them as the Logos(!) is further described by numerous biblical scholars, of which for now one reference suffices.[8]

Mormonism has somehow missed out of this magnificent theological development of the “Eternal Family” of Father, Mother, Son, yet does have some esoteric teachings of the idea of eternal spirits of mankind, and the serious importance of the Holy Ghost. One of the truly exalting themes was told by B.H. Roberts, a prominent early Mormon theologian and church leader. He did say the Holy Ghost was a “pure spirit of intelligence.” Also a personage of spirit, not yet embodied. In light of that, he distinguished yet another spirit within Mormon theology which fills the immensity of space, a “creative and upholding power and vital force - intelligence-inspiring power - the true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.”[9]

In the Zohar, this is the Shekhinah. In the "Haqdamat Sefer ha-Zohar," Shekhinah with Binah (the Mother) as Mother and Daughter comprised the two ends of heaven, above and below.[10] In the “Parashat Hayyei Sarah,” we read “The sea resembles the sky, as we have learned, and the sky, the Throne of Glory.” Both Sea and Throne of Glory, which is in the very Highest heaven, is symbolized by Shekhinah.[11] Shekhinah in the “Lekh Lekha,” is the “et” of the Hebrew language, that is, she comprises the entire alphabet of divine speech itself! Cf. Jesus being the Alpha and Omega.[12] Shekhinah is the Moon, as well as identified with and as Metatron in the “Va-Yeshev.”[13] Shekhinah is the Tent of Meeting, which itself, was a model of the entire Cosmos, in “Va-Yhi.”[14] In the “Parashat Shemot,” Shekhinah is the Garden into which the rivers of heaven flow. The Garden is symbolic of the entire Cosmos, she is that.[15] And there is much more symbolisms and levels to the depth of “Mom,” which the Zohar elaborates. She is one of the singular most all inclusive symbols in all of esoteric literatures.

Now, putting together the three components, the Mormon one, the Christian one, and the Jewish one, seems to me a more desirable all inclusive completing of knowledge rather than a competing which one is more authentic type of thinking. We are interested in the whole truth, not fighting singular aspects of one culture’s ideas against another’s attempting in a silly manner to verify one and denigrate another. A coming together, and interweaving makes a stronger spiritual cloth in the blanket of truth than a single thread every time and always in my thinking. It encompasses, exalts, enlarges, and expands our intellect, our spirit, our appreciation for the total light we are receiving from all ends of the earth and from all humanity. They all three (Christian, Mormon and Jewish) mutually support, give credit, and coordinate in a delightful unifying conjunction of theological, cosmological, and spiritual excellence. It just seems to me this is a superior way to go.

Endnotes
1. Leonora Leet, “The Universal Kabbalah: Deciphering the Cosmic Code in the Sacred Geometry of the Sabbath Star Diagram,” Inner Traditions, 2004: 54.
2. “An American Prophet’s Record: The Diaries and Journals of Joseph Smith,” Scott Faulring, editor, Signature Books, 1989: 466.
3. Isaac Luria, “A Discourse on the Nature of Circular and Straight Energies,” in “Kabbalah of Creation, The Mysticism of Isaac Luria, Founder of Modern Kabbalah, A Translation of the Gate of Principles” translated with commentary by Eliahu Klein, North Atlantic Books, 2005: 24.
4. Daniel Matt, “The Zohar,” Pritzker edition, Stanford University Press, (12 volumes), Vol. 5, 2009: 1, (2:95a). Hereafter cited as “Matt, The Zohar.”
5. Matt, p. 1, note 3.
6. Margaret Barker, “The Great High Priest,” T & T Clark, 2003: 242-243.
7. Gershom Scholem, “The Mystical Shape of the Godhead,” Schocken Books, 1991: 143f.
8. Margaret Barker, “The Great High Priest,” pp. 237f.
9. B.H. Roberts, “The Truth, the Way, the Life, An Elementary Treatise on Theology,” edited by John W. Welch, BYU Studies, 1994: 226-227.
10. Matt, Zohar, Vol. 1:6, note 30.
11. Matt, Zohar, Vol. 2: 203 and note 2.
12. Matt, Zohar, Vol. 2:57 and note 450.
13. Matt, Zohar, Vol. 3: 86f, and notes 9 and 10.
14. Matt, Zohar, Vol. 3: 458 and note 733.
15. Matt, Zohar, Vol. 4: 1 and note 3 and 4.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
[Mormons]can, with great profit look outside their own traditions and receive greater light and knowledge and assurance as well as within their tradition. It's not a sin to look outside of what you officially are taught in religion.
I'm a Mormon and I already know that. But if you'll look at my sig, it will give you a glimpse into what my path has been so far. I will look for truth wherever it can be found.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Niiiiice! We will have some great discussions! Good to meet you.
Nice to meet you, too, @ToGodorNottoGod. I read on another thread that you were formerly LDS. You definitely don't seem like most ex-Mormons I have known. If you will notice, right underneath my user name, it says, "Not your average Mormon." Most people reading that don't quite know what I'm getting at, but I think you might.
 
Nice to meet you, too, @ToGodorNottoGod. I read on another thread that you were formerly LDS. You definitely don't seem like most ex-Mormons I have known. If you will notice, right underneath my user name, it says, "Not your average Mormon." Most people reading that don't quite know what I'm getting at, but I think you might.
It's rather kind of nice not be the usual Mormon isn't it.....GRIN! Yes, I am in the process of sorting stuff out, but I have no antagonism of anyone or anything. I just need to figure things out on my own which it didn't appear Mormonism was letting me do. Know what I mean? There is a lot I disagree with and a lot I agree with, but then I am realizing this is true of the other Israel, the Jews also! Mormons ignore them far too much in my opinion, as the Jews do the Mormons as well. And Christians? Mormons are just silly imagining all other Christians are apostate and therefore always wrong and need correcting. I don't find them that way at all.

I'm looking forward to many fun, interesting, and incredible discussion with you and everyone else here. I love to explore and learn, so what the heck, we may as well do it together yeah?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
It's rather kind of nice not be the usual Mormon isn't it.....GRIN! Yes, I am in the process of sorting stuff out, but I have no antagonism of anyone or anything. I just need to figure things out on my own which it didn't appear Mormonism was letting me do. Know what I mean?
Yeah, I can understand that. I'm actually okay with the majority of Mormon doctrine. But Mormon culture -- especially here in Utah -- is just really hard for me to deal with. I'm just far too liberal to feel at home with most of the members of my ward. Right now, that's okay, because I have a calling that prevents me from attending church at my ward. Actually, it's come to a grinding halt since Covid, but I hope to get back to it soon. My hubby and I serve at the Salt Lake Metropolitan Jail. We teach Sunday school classes and just visit cell-to-cell with the guys in maximum security who are not allowed to meet in our classroom setting. The entire curriculum is just so Christ-focused and we don't have any of those sometimes tedious lessons you get in gospel doctrine classes or Relief Society (or, I suspect, Priesthood Meeting). We do have lesson material provided to us, but we're also told to "just teach by the spirit." We do, and it's so refreshing not to have someone breathing down your next and saying, "Please try to stick to the manual more in the future." Plus, the guys we teach are AWESOME. Either this calling was created with me in mind or else I was created with this calling in mind. One way or another, it was a match made in heaven.

There is a lot I disagree with and a lot I agree with, but then I am realizing this is true of the other Israel, the Jews also! Mormons ignore them far too much in my opinion, as the Jews do the Mormons as well. And Christians? Mormons are just silly imagining all other Christians are apostate and therefore always wrong and need correcting. I don't find them that way at all.
I'm just sick and tired of the animosity going both ways. I wish we could all just get along and stop judging one another. I know Mormons do that to other Christians, but they do it to us, too. If I had a dime for every time a Baptist or a Jehovah's Witness or a Lutheran has told me I'm not a "real Christian," I would be financial secure for this life and the next!

I'm looking forward to many fun, interesting, and incredible discussion with you and everyone else here. I love to explore and learn, so what the heck, we may as well do it together yeah?
Absolutely!
 
Yeah, I can understand that. I'm actually okay with the majority of Mormon doctrine. But Mormon culture -- especially here in Utah -- is just really hard for me to deal with. I'm just far too liberal to feel at home with most of the members of my ward. Right now, that's okay, because I have a calling that prevents me from attending church at my ward. Actually, it's come to a grinding halt since Covid, but I hope to get back to it soon. My hubby and I serve at the Salt Lake Metropolitan Jail. We teach Sunday school classes and just visit cell-to-cell with the guys in maximum security who are not allowed to meet in our classroom setting. The entire curriculum is just so Christ-focused and we don't have any of those sometimes tedious lessons you get in gospel doctrine classes or Relief Society (or, I suspect, Priesthood Meeting). We do have lesson material provided to us, but we're also told to "just teach by the spirit." We do, and it's so refreshing not to have someone breathing down your next and saying, "Please try to stick to the manual more in the future." Plus, the guys we teach are AWESOME. Either this calling was created with me in mind or else I was created with this calling in mind. One way or another, it was a match made in heaven.

I'm just sick and tired of the animosity going both ways. I wish we could all just get along and stop judging one another. I know Mormons do that to other Christians, but they do it to us, too. If I had a dime for every time a Baptist or a Jehovah's Witness or a Lutheran has told me I'm not a "real Christian," I would be financial secure for this life and the next!

Absolutely!

Yeah I used to be a scripture totin gun slingin apologist determined to prove to the world I was right and all else need to conform to my correctness in my religion if they were ever going to be actually righteous like me. I actually found something far greater... my own ignorance.

My suspicion is with Mormonism holding to the narrative of all other religions in apostasy, they will, of course, kick back with "you're not Christian!" I mean, truly, it sorta makes sense their reaction.

After all my arguing years (and man did I ever argue! Spread way more heat than light though - typical of apologetics of all stripes actually) I come to realize that all the proof texting, cross referencing in order to show the vastness of the superiority and goodness of my religion just doesn't bring about Brotherhood and peace. It can't.
I must START with Brotherhood and peace and goodwill, and instead of attempting to convert others (see? Even that premise raises the hackles on people doesn't it? You can always tell the missionary no matter what religion, and one is immediately put on defensive, I ain't gonna give, and I dang sure ain't gonna be proven wrong! type thinking).

Now? I find it vastly more enjoyable to be taught from others about what they are about, and I am finding that everyone has great ideas and are wonderful. It never ceases to amaze me. I now love to study even more so I can share because I then get terrific feedback from others with what they also know! I had no idea as an apologist how much I was stopping myself from learning, from becoming a human being, a fellow who understands others better. I mean I am rather liking this new leaf I have turned over. I don't have to worry about converting, or being converted, I can let the Spirit blow where it will, and enjoy all my conversations with everybody. I seriously had no idea such a vast, enjoyable, and learning world it could be, but it really is. I seriously think Mr. Rogers had it perfectly correct. "I like you just the way you are."

So,...... now I'm wrangling sorry. Anyway, this is delightful, thanks and be good, and I will see you very soon again on many conversations and ideas, not that we will always agree, but it will always be a learning thing, the very best way to go, we all spiral upward together.
 

Orontes

Master of the Horse
A partial paper I wrote since I can't post long papers on this forum. That's why footnote 1 is missing. I have had good comments on this part, so thought I would share. I'm attempting to help Mormons see they aren't the only ones who have good scriptures and ideas. This is a subject near and dear to me because of so many Mormons in my life, whom I love, have no desire to upset, but I think who need to see the larger picture. Mormon women are wondering where is the Divine Feminine in their religion? Jews have Shekhinah, Catholics Mary, where is our Mom in Mormonism? It is to that to which I wrote this. They can, with great profit look outside their own traditions and receive greater light and knowledge and assurance as well as within their tradition. It's not a sin to look outside of what you officially are taught in religion...

If you are interested in exploring feminine deity(ies) in Jewish Thought, rather than Medieval Jewish Mysticism, one can look to First Temple Judaism and the Ugaritic Tradition. You reference Margaret Barker, so I assume you are familiar with her thesis on a multistrand Jewry that had at least one model maintaining the El-YHWH familial distinction into the First Century of the Common Era. This same posture included place, at least initially, for a Divine consort. This is a positioning that does not require any appeal to a Jewry influenced by Neoplatonic Thought. Independent of Barker, there is a growing academic literature on the female divine Asherah of Ancient Judaism that connects with the larger religious traditions of the region.


Note: The Christian-Mormon distinction is problematic.
 
f you are interested in exploring feminine deity(ies) in Jewish Thought, rather than Medieval Jewish Mysticism, one can look to First Temple Judaism and the Ugaritic Tradition. You reference Margaret Barker, so I assume you are familiar with her thesis on a multistrand Jewry that had at least one model maintaining the El-YHWH familial distinction into the First Century of the Common Era. This same posture included place, at least initially, for a Divine consort. This is a positioning that does not require any appeal to a Jewry influenced by Neoplatonic Thought. Independent of Barker, there is a growing academic literature on the female divine Asherah of Ancient Judaism that connects with the larger religious traditions of the region.
I am interested in all aspects of the divine consort theme, and yes I am quite familiar with Barker and lots of other academics who discuss this fascinating theme. Who else have you studied in this area? It would be fun to explore it further with you! Thanks for the heads up.
 

Orontes

Master of the Horse
I am interested in all aspects of the divine consort theme, and yes I am quite familiar with Barker and lots of other academics who discuss this fascinating theme. Who else have you studied in this area? It would be fun to explore it further with you! Thanks for the heads up.

I think you would benefit from the works of Mark S Smith. For example, his:


- "The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel”


-“The Origins of Biblical Monotheism: Israel's Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts”


Or William G Devers:


-“Did God Have a Wife?: Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient Israel”


Or, Raphael Patai’s:


-“The Hebrew Goddess (Raphael Patai Series in Jewish Folklore and Anthropology)”
 
I think you would benefit from the works of Mark S Smith. For example, his:


- "The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel”


-“The Origins of Biblical Monotheism: Israel's Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts”


Or William G Devers:


-“Did God Have a Wife?: Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient Israel”


Or, Raphael Patai’s:


-“The Hebrew Goddess (Raphael Patai Series in Jewish Folklore and Anthropology)”

Yes. All excellent texts, I just re-read Patai's book this last month or so along with Eugene Seaich's "The Great Mystery of the Jerusalem Temple, the Embracing Cherubim and At-One-Ment with the Divine," which is a splendid updating of Patai's book only from a more Christian perspective as opposed to Patai's Jewish side. (Patai ranted and raved at Steve Wiggins, the editor at Gorgias Press about Seaich's material and helped get him interested in publishing it. Seaich told me some great stories about Patai when I saw him just months before he died. Man his library was to kill for! I wonder whatever happened to it). It's like a one-two punch with Patai and Seaich!

Merlin Stone's book "When God was a Woman," is also really a good over view of it all. Riane Eisler's "The Chalice and the Blade" isn't quite the same, and yet in the same ball park for genre. I found Barbara Walker's "Encyclopedia of Women's Myths and Secrets" to be a little on the adamant side of feminism, although much of her materials are profound and eye opening in her huge brawling romp of a text. Loved it though!

I loved how Seaich took the theme of the embracing cherubim and their meaning up into the Christian Middle Ages and Kabbalah (though he focused more on the gnostic end of it) on a different angle than Patai took concerning Kabbalah, and how these two supplement Leonora Leet's two massive texts on the Kabbalah "The Secret Doctrine of the Kabbalah," and her final one "The Universal Kabbalah" with her theme of the uniting of the male/female both on earth and in heaven as the ultimate expression of Jewish spirituality. I was surprised once I discovered Leet to realize that Seaich apparently had remained unaware of her work. too bad, he would have had as much fun with it as I am having. It is, perhaps, up to us to carry forward their analysis and ideas into the next generation.

None of them had the benefit of the fullest set of Zohar we have in both Daniel Matt and the Kabbalah Center's published Zohars. Matt's is without parallel anywhere in print. Utterly magisterial! Amazing they have put it all out for the world, but am I ever grateful they have, even being non-Jewish as I am. I sincerely hope I don't offend any Jewish ladies and gents here for expounding with the Zohar. I know I have read somewhere they are not allowed to discuss it with anyone except qualified Jewish folk.

I can see why, though I am hoping I have the background to grasp it on a more or less even keel through my lifetime of reading. I am just beginning volume 5 of Matt's Zohar, having finished the first 4 volumes. Absolutely unparalleled commentary and weaving in and out of the Torah. The Jewish rabbis expound and understand like no one else on the planet. It is the singular greatest reading and opening of my mind on the beauty and power of the Torah I have ever found.

I also think one of the overall greatest studies, not necessary on ancient consorts in Judaism, but he does touch the theme, was Jung's "Mysterium Coniunctionis." That left me buzzing for months. I probably still haven't recovered as far as that goes, GRIN! Astonishing huge and incredibly in-depth book on the union of opposites, including the male/female.
 
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Orontes

Master of the Horse
While each book can/should be taken on it's own merits, when it comes to monographs, I recommend generally staying with peer reviewed work and/or things published by university presses. If one isn't a specialist in a field (and thereby regularly reading relevant academic journals), it's too easy for an unchecked personal fancy to carry one away like Dorothy and Toto, to places where sometimes, the Wicked Witch wins.
 
While each book can/should be taken on it's own merits, when it comes to monographs, I recommend generally staying with peer reviewed work and/or things published by university presses. If one isn't a specialist in a field (and thereby regularly reading relevant academic journals), it's too easy for an unchecked personal fancy to carry one away like Dorothy and Toto, to places where sometimes, the Wicked Witch wins.
Fundamentally so, which I do. I enjoy reading all around because academics get stuck in their own grooves without realizing there is much valuable and good information outside their own trained way of looking at things. They are good, but not all good. Like Hugh Nibley said in his article so long ago in the "Improvement Era" We NEED amateurs, they are the ones who open up the narrow tunnel vision which scholars fall into all the time and thus end up missing the bigger picture due to their specializing. In essence, they can give us the low down on one single tree, but amateurs realize there is an entire forest to explore, and do so.

In fact, that is what made Nibley so fantastic to read back in the day! Alas! He was definitely the end of an era. Now all we are going to get is testimony bearing and cheap faith promoting stories and tricks, making sure the Brethren stay happy since everything in shoveled into the grooves only they approve of, regardless of evidence otherwise. blech! it was his article "The Day of the Amateur."
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The Shekinah is that aspect of God which rested above the mercy seat of the Ark of the covenant. Yes, it is feminine. God transcends gender so God of course does have aspects of both male and female.

But to say the Shekinah is the wife of God? Nahhhhh that's just soooo wrong.
 
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