Jews: "Discovering The Jewish Jesus"

[Eddi]

A Question for the RF Jews

So, I have basic satellite TV

On it are some "faith" channels

One of the programs that one of these channels shows is called Discovering The Jewish Jesus

It is presented by one Rabbi Schneider who describes himself as a "Jesus believing Jew"

This is my question: Is this person authentically Jewish or is he some kind of Christian dressed up as a Jew?

I don't know what to make of this

He looks pretty Jewish regarding what he wears to me but he's always banging on about Jesus, which is most un-Jewish

Surely a person who follows Jesus is a Christian and if you're a Christian you cannot be a Jew????

And the thing is, his program is aired on a Christian channel

What on Earth is going on here????

What do the RF Jews think?

 

[Harel13]

He might have been born Jewish and is thus ethnically Jewish, but if he believes in Jesus then he's considered an apostate Jew.

 

[rosends]

If his mother is Jewish he is Jewish and bound by Jewish law. If he has discovered Jesus in any theologically significant way he has rejected his Judaism. If he is trying to present it as if holding the two mutually exclusive positions is possible he is a liar.

 

[rosends]

I took a quick look at his bio on his website. Little to no formal Jewish education. Fits of depression growing up (and other psychiatrically significant episodes) and no education which would allow him, within the Jewish world, to adopt the title of rabbi.

 

[Eddi]

He might have been born Jewish and is thus ethnically Jewish, but if he believes in Jesus then he's considered an apostate Jew.

If his mother is Jewish he is Jewish and bound by Jewish law. If he has discovered Jesus in any theologically significant way he has rejected his Judaism. If he is trying to present it as if holding the two mutually exclusive positions is possible he is a liar.

Interesting responses, many thanks

So what you're saying is that he may be ethnically Jewish but that if he is then he has turned his back on Judaism through embracing Jesus?

I thought he wasn't authentically Jewish because of the whole Jesus thing but I wanted to ask about that first

So I suppose he's a Christian then - makes sense!

 

[Eddi]

I took a quick look at his bio on his website. Little to no formal Jewish education. Fits of depression growing up (and other psychiatrically significant episodes) and no education which would allow him, within the Jewish world, to adopt the title of rabbi.

I suspected him not being an actual rabbi may somehow have been the case

 

[rosends]

Sadly, undereducated Jews, and especially people with no sense of religious center and who have other undiagnosed mental struggles are susceptible to all sorts of influences. And they might or might not realize how duplicitous their behaviors then become.

 

[Eddi]

What movement does this guy represent?

Is there a name for it?

There must be others like him?

 

[rosends]

I have lots of names for his movement...

none that i think he would appreciate. Many hide behind "messianic Judaism" as if
1. Judaism itself isn't already messianic
2. the introduction of Jesus can still call forth a "Jewish" context

 

[pearl]

Even more liberal rabbis, those who do not question Jesus' Jewishness, and even find the Resurrection to be an historical event, do not accept Jesus as Messiah.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Even more liberal rabbis, those who do not question Jesus' Jewishness, and even find the Resurrection to be an historical event, do not accept Jesus as Messiah.

Could you give us a few examples of "liberal rabbis" who "find the Resurrection to be an historical event"?

 

[RabbiO]

Could you give us a few examples of "liberal rabbis" who "find the Resurrection to be an historical event"?

It wasn’t me.

 

[Harel13]

It wasn’t me.

You had me worried there for a minute.

 

[pearl]

Could you give us a few examples of "liberal rabbis" who "find the Resurrection to be an historical event"?

Only one who insists the resurrection historical, Pinchas Lapide.

 

[rosends]

Only one who insists the resurrection historical, Pinchas Lapide.

I'm curious -- from where was he ordained?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Even more liberal rabbis, those who do not question Jesus' Jewishness, and even find the Resurrection to be an historical event, do not accept Jesus as Messiah.

Could you give us a few examples of "liberal rabbis" who "find the Resurrection to be an historical event"?

Only one who insists the resurrection historical, Pinchas Lapide.

So let me see if I understand. After declaring that "Even more liberal rabbis" "even find the Resurrection to be an historical event," you tell us that "Only one who insists the resurrection historical" -- and then confer the honorific "liberal rabbi" on Lapide. What am I missing here?

 

[pearl]

I'm curious -- from where was he ordained?

I have no idea, but since rabbinical ordinations may be granted for teachers ...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I have no idea, but since rabbinical ordinations may be granted for teachers ...

And medical ordinations may be granted to rabbits

Let me suggest a better approach. Stop fabricating your facts.​

 

[rosends]

I have no idea, but since rabbinical ordinations may be granted for teachers ...

The title of Rav Umanhig? Was he a student in Baltimore? Who conferred the title on him? Was he a leader in Jewish communal service?

 

[pearl]

So let me see if I understand. After declaring that "Even more liberal rabbis" "even find the Resurrection to be an historical event," you tell us that "Only one who insists the resurrection historical" -- and then confer the honorific "liberal rabbi" on Lapide. What am I missing here?

If you read my post correctly, I referred to 'liberal rabbis' (Jewish scholars, teachers) who 'do not question the Jewishness of Jesus'.
You only asked about one in connection with the Resurrection. As for the Jewishness of Jesus, Martin Buber, Schalom Ben-Chorin.