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I'm really tired of people denying what it is clearly in there
Bro, you have not answered my questions directly. I asked two simple questions.
Do you think everyone needs to convert to Islam in order to be considered a believer?
Do you think I need to believe in things that are not written in the Quran to be a believer?
And I'll add a third one:
Why are YOU denying what is clearly in there?
They don't attain reward of the righteous.
The verses from the Quran have been brought which show that conversion is NOT needed to attain the reward. Righteous Jews and Christians are rewarded.
That is written in the Quran. If we're at the point where not only am I being asked to believe in things which aren't in the Quran, but I'm also asked to ignore what is actually written in the Quran, that's it. I draw the line and back away.
You are asking me to ignore what is actually written in the Quran, do you realize that?
I'm fine with there being a disagreement. Honestly. I just think you should be honest with yourself about what's happening. I recall years ago that other muslims debated with you regarding your interpretations. Perhaps someday, maybe soon, I'll pop over to another forum specifically for muslims and ask them for other opinions.
There is also those who mix good and evil and are awaiting God's Authority to judge them. They aren't believers nor disbelievers nor hypocrites, but struggling humans trying to be good but succumbing to evil.
Well. That's not me. Awaiting God's authority? Me? Bro. Who do you think you're talking to? I am not talking about considering hypocrites believers. I have no clue how you could ever even type those words to me. I would never even think of such a thing. That's crazy-crazy talk. A hypocrite being a believer? Um. No.
The only way to connecct these dots, is if there is some deep seated prejudice against any who are not muslim. And THAT is what Steve has been talking about. ANY. HUGE prejudice against ANY who are not muslim.
I have been asking you where this comes from because, it is NOT in the Quran.
I'm really tired of people denying what it is clearly in there
Same here. So why are you doing precisely that. What's below is an example of something that is CLEARLY in there. Anything you bring needs to meet this standard of clarity.
3:113-115
They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allāh during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer]. They believe in Allāh and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous. And whatever good they do - never will it be denied them. And Allāh is Knowing of the righteous.
Bro. What is going on? Why are YOU denying what is clearly in there?
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