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Jews in the Qur'an.

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
I'm really tired of people denying what it is clearly in there

Bro, you have not answered my questions directly. I asked two simple questions.

Do you think everyone needs to convert to Islam in order to be considered a believer?
Do you think I need to believe in things that are not written in the Quran to be a believer?

And I'll add a third one:

Why are YOU denying what is clearly in there?

They don't attain reward of the righteous.

The verses from the Quran have been brought which show that conversion is NOT needed to attain the reward. Righteous Jews and Christians are rewarded.

That is written in the Quran. If we're at the point where not only am I being asked to believe in things which aren't in the Quran, but I'm also asked to ignore what is actually written in the Quran, that's it. I draw the line and back away.

You are asking me to ignore what is actually written in the Quran, do you realize that?

I'm fine with there being a disagreement. Honestly. I just think you should be honest with yourself about what's happening. I recall years ago that other muslims debated with you regarding your interpretations. Perhaps someday, maybe soon, I'll pop over to another forum specifically for muslims and ask them for other opinions.

There is also those who mix good and evil and are awaiting God's Authority to judge them. They aren't believers nor disbelievers nor hypocrites, but struggling humans trying to be good but succumbing to evil.

Well. That's not me. Awaiting God's authority? Me? Bro. Who do you think you're talking to? I am not talking about considering hypocrites believers. I have no clue how you could ever even type those words to me. I would never even think of such a thing. That's crazy-crazy talk. A hypocrite being a believer? Um. No.

The only way to connecct these dots, is if there is some deep seated prejudice against any who are not muslim. And THAT is what Steve has been talking about. ANY. HUGE prejudice against ANY who are not muslim.

I have been asking you where this comes from because, it is NOT in the Quran.

I'm really tired of people denying what it is clearly in there

Same here. So why are you doing precisely that. What's below is an example of something that is CLEARLY in there. Anything you bring needs to meet this standard of clarity.
3:113-115​
They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allāh during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer]. They believe in Allāh and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous. And whatever good they do - never will it be denied them. And Allāh is Knowing of the righteous.​


Bro. What is going on? Why are YOU denying what is clearly in there?
 
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dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
all disputes and differences should be referred to God and the Messenger

Why aren't you doing that? I'm doing that. I'm referring back to the Quran. You are not.

if we believe in God and the last day. The "if we believe..." says we won't be divided from the rope of God regarding ANY matter of dispute within the community, that means, as sectarian as this sounds, only the people who refer to Quran and Sunnah properly for all disputes are truly believes in God and the last day.

I need to double check the verse. OK. It says nothing about the Sunnah. However, I can very easily follow the Quran if it is read simply and plainly without adding any prejudice.
4:58-59​
Indeed, Allāh commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and when you judge between people to judge with justice. Excellent is that which Allāh instructs you. Indeed, Allāh is ever Hearing and Seeing.​
O you who have believed, obey Allāh and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allāh and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allāh and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.​
OK. This is regarding a legal matter. Guess who as authority over me, as a Jew. Levites and Jewish Judges from my oown people. That is coming directly from Allah's messanger Musa.

Deuteronomy​
17:8​
כי יפלא ממך דבר למשפט בין־דם לדם בין־דין לדין ובין נגע לנגע דברי ריבת בשעריך וקמת ועלית אל־המקום אשר יבחר יהוה אלהיך בו׃​
If there arises a matter too hard for you in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between plague and plague, being matters of controversy inside your gates; then shall you arise, and get to the place which the Lord your God shall choose;​
17:9​
ובאת אל־הכהנים הלוים ואל־השפט אשר יהיה בימים ההם ודרשת והגידו לך את דבר המשפט׃​
And you shall come to the priests the Levites, and to the judge who shall be in those days, and inquire; and they shall declare to you the sentence of judgment;​
17:10​
ועשית על־פי הדבר אשר יגידו לך מן־המקום ההוא אשר יבחר יהוה ושמרת לעשות ככל אשר יורוך׃​
And you shall do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the Lord shall choose shall declare to you; and you shall take care to do according to all that they inform you;​
17:11​
על־פי התורה אשר יורוך ועל־המשפט אשר־יאמרו לך תעשה לא תסור מן־הדבר אשר־יגידו לך ימין ושמאל׃​
According to the sentence of the Torah which they shall teach you, and according to the judgment which they shall tell you, you shall do; you shall not decline from the sentence which they shall declare to you, to the right hand, nor to the left.​
17:12​
והאיש אשר־יעשה בזדון לבלתי שמע אל־הכהן העמד לשרת שם את־יהוה אלהיך או אל־השפט ומת האיש ההוא ובערת הרע מישראל׃​
And the man who will act presumptuously, and will not listen to the priest who stands to minister there before the Lord your God, or to the judge, that man shall die; and you shall put away the evil from Israel.​

those who don't refer disputes back to Quran and Sunnah, and follow their caprice don't truly believe in God and the last day. So how so, then for those who don't affirm the family of Mohammad (s), and how so more for those who don't affirm the Quran.

Um. I am referring to the Quran. And the simple answer to your question is: By not denying it. If there is NO contradiction between Torah and the Quran, I can go to Musa and be completely confident that I am in harmony with the will of Allah.

You still have not brought a single example of a contradiction between the two revelations.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
Steve Canuck is claiming that someone is an unbeliever deserving of all the punishments described in the Quran if they do not convert to Islam. You said you agree with that interpretation. Do you? Do you actually agree that conversion is required for everyone?

If it is not written in the Quran, why are you asking me to believe it?

It is written in the Qur'an. Several hundred times.

Here is one. If you don't accept this, then you won't accept any:

7:40, "To those who reject Our signs [the Qur'an] and treat them with arrogance, there will be no opening at the gates of heaven."
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
It is written in the Qur'an. Several hundred times.

Here is one. If you don't accept this, then you won't accept any:

7:40, "To those who reject Our signs [the Qur'an] and treat them with arrogance, there will be no opening at the gates of heaven."

First, I'll need to review the verse in context.

Second,

3:113-115​
They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allāh during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer]. They believe in Allāh and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous. And whatever good they do - never will it be denied them. And Allāh is Knowing of the righteous.​

This community of the "people of the scripture" are considered righteous, it will never be denied them, and they believe in Allah and the Last day BEFORE the Quran was given, BEFORE there was any sunnah, BEFORE Muhammad was born.

That is not possible if the requirement is to accept the Quran. There WAS NO QURAN when this community was established. There WAS NO QURAN and their practice was righteous.

So there is no way that your interpretation aligns with what is written.

7:40, "To those who reject Our signs [the Qur'an] and treat them with arrogance, there will be no opening at the gates of heaven."

You added the word "Quran". If you need to add words, then your argument is W-E-A-K.

"To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, there will be no opening at the gates of heaven."

The righteous Jews do not reject Allah's signs. It's as simple as that. The Quran mentions repeatedly clear signs and proofs that predate the Quran.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
3:113-115​
They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allāh during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer]. They believe in Allāh and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous. And whatever good they do - never will it be denied them. And Allāh is Knowing of the righteous.​

This community of the "people of the scripture" are considered righteous, it will never be denied them, and they believe in Allah and the Last day BEFORE the Quran was given, BEFORE there was any sunnah, BEFORE Muhammad was born.

We all know this.

That is not possible if the requirement is to accept the Quran. There WAS NO QURAN when this community was established. There WAS NO QURAN and their practice was righteous.

The above was true UNTIL Mohamed showed up with the Qur'an. From that point on the People of the Book were expected to follow his teachings (per 7:40). You're not contributing anything that isn't already understood and largely agreed upon.

You added the word "Quran". If you need to add words, then your argument is W-E-A-K.

No, I'm just making it obvious what the topic is for anyone not familiar with the language of the Qur'an. There are hundreds of such verses that refer to the Qur'an without actually using the word. to doubt that is to doubt the entire message of the Qur'an.

Just read the translations in corpus.quran.com to see how many times those Islamic scholars add such explanations.

"To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, there will be no opening at the gates of heaven."

The righteous Jews do not reject Allah's signs. It's as simple as that. The Quran mentions repeatedly clear signs and proofs that predate the Quran.

Except when it's talking about the Qur'an. When it says "clear proofs that have been sent down to you", the "clear proofs" are the ayat of the Qur'an, and "you" is Mohamed. Again, read corpus.quran.com translations until it sinks in.
 

stevecanuck

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@dybmh, Here's an example of additional comments and clarifications from Mohsin Khan. All comments are his - I added nothing:

2:89 - "Mohsin Khan: And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers."

This first-time reader of the Qur'an would be quite lost without this sort of help.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
@dybmh, Here's an example of additional comments and clarifications from Mohsin Khan. All comments are his - I added nothing:

2:89 - "Mohsin Khan: And when there came to them (the Jews), a Book (this Quran) from Allah confirming what is with them [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)], although aforetime they had invoked Allah (for coming of Muhammad Peace be upon him ) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of Allah be on the disbelievers."

This first-time reader of the Qur'an would be quite lost without this sort of help.

Right.... this Quran is confirming what was/is with them/me...

Notice that the words "This Quran" is added next to the words "a Book". All of that makes sense.

"To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, there will be no opening at the gates of heaven."

If they are not rejected, then there isn't a problem.

We all know this [ that there is a community of Jews which are considered righteous before there was ever any Quran or Sunnah or Muhammad on earth ]

Great! Then those in that community don't need to convert. Glad we agree.

The above was true UNTIL Mohamed showed up with the Qur'an

nope. it will never be denied.

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You're not contributing anything that isn't already understood and largely agreed upon.

This thread is about the Quran, not popular opinion. It would be great to understand the popular opinion. But I don't trust you, or the one and only active Muslim on the website to establish what that is, or why it is.

So far, I am quoting the text. You're adding to it and denying it. And I'm not sure what's going on with Link.

I'm just making it obvious what the topic is for anyone not familiar with the language of the Qur'an.

No. You're changing the meaning of the verse. If you need to add to it, your argument is weak. Leave it out if it's not changing anything.

Anyway, the "signs" are obviously not the Quran. You didn't read the Surah you're quoting. The whole Surah 7 is signs given in Torah BEFORE THE QURAN.
O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allāh that perhaps they will remember.​
But they denied him, so We saved him and those who were with him in the ship. And We drowned those who denied Our signs. Indeed, they were a blind people.​

There you go, Steve. Signs. Not the Quran. Before the Quran. Directly from the Torah.

Just read the translations in corpus.quran.com to see how many times those Islamic scholars add such explanations.

You're not a scholar. If YOU need to add words then YOUR argument is weak. None the less:

As long as nothing is being denied or rejected, a righteous Jew is a righteous Jew. No conversion is needed.

Except when it's talking about the Qur'an

So far, no verses have been brought which perscribe anything other than not rejecting or denying. Signs were given before. Verses were given before. Messengers were given before. BEFORE THE QURAN.

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stevecanuck

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Surah 2 contains several more direct reference to Jews, many of which are adversarial, unflattering, and/or accusatory:

- 2:111, "And they say, 'None will enter Paradise except one who is a Jew or a Christian.' That is their wishful thinking, Say [to them, Mohamed], 'Produce your proof, if you should be truthful.'"
- 2:113, "The Jews say, 'The Christians have nothing to stand on,' and the Christians say, 'The Jews have nothing to stand on,' although they recite the Scripture."
- 2:120, "And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say [to them, Mohamed], 'Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the (only) guidance.' If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge [the Qur'an], you would have against Allah no protector or helper."
- 2:122, "O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds."
- 2:135, "They say, 'Be Jews or Christians so you will be guided.' Say [to them, Mohamed], 'Rather, (we follow) the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists.'"
- 2:140, "Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say [to them, Mohamed], 'Are you more knowing or is Allah?' And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah [the Qur'an]? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
- 2:144-145 instruct Muslims to pray facing the Kaaba in Mecca, and state that Jews and Christians know this to be God's wish, but will never do it because they are evil doers - "[Muslims] turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque [the Kaaba], and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book [Jews and Christians] most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord. Yet if you should bring to those that have been given the Book every sign, they will not follow your direction; you are not a follower of their direction, neither are they followers of one another's direction. If you follow their caprices, after the knowledge that has come to you [the Qur'an], then you will surely be among the evildoers."
-2:146, "Those to whom We have given the Book (Bible), know you (Muhammad) just as a well as they know their sons. It is certain that some of them deliberately hide the truth."
-2:211 seems to accuse the Jews of changing the word of God - "Ask the Children of Israel how many clear signs We gave them. Whoever changes God's blessing after it has come to him, God is terrible in retribution."
-2:246-251 refers to the various battles as told in Genesis, such as between the Israelites and the Amalekites, and between David and Goliath, complete with criticism for the majority of the Jews who refused to "fight in the cause of God."
 

stevecanuck

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Right.... this Quran is confirming what was/is with them/me...

Notice that the words "This Quran" is added next to the words "a Book". All of that makes sense.

Considering that I'm the one who provided the quote, it's a pretty safe bet that I "noticed" it. In fact, it's why I gave the quote. It's in response to your accusation that adding "the Qur'an" is a "weak" argument. LOL. Pick a line, dybmh. Pick a lane.

If they are not rejected, then there isn't a problem.

Again, we all know that. You have yet to make an actual point.

Great! Then those in that community don't need to convert. Glad we agree.

You're talking about people who lived before Mohamed's lifetime, so please tell me, Just exactly what are long-dead people supposed to convert to? The Qur'an is clear that the Jews and Christians who properly followed the scriptures as they existed at the time before Mohamed will be fine.

As long as nothing is being denied or rejected, a righteous Jew is a righteous Jew. No conversion is needed.

There's your problem in a nutshell. What the Jews from 622 onward deny is that the Qur'an is the latest series of revelations from God, and that it must obeyed. It's just that simple. If you don't want to accept that, then there's nothing I can do to help you.
 

stevecanuck

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Anyway, the "signs" are obviously not the Quran.

I've already agreed many times that "signs" pre-Mohamed refer to the hallucinations of the prophets of old from the torah/bible.

Seriously, how many times do you need to here that?????? Cuz I'm done saying it.


HOWEVER, when Mohamed speaks of the "signs" that were being sent down to HIM, he was talking about the 6,236 'communications from Allah' that comprise the Qur'an.

So, I'm done with you. Either put up or shut up. If Mohamed is NOT talking about the "signs" that became the Qur'an, what was he talking about and what is the Qur'an if not those "signs"?

Any response that does not answer those questions in full will be ignored.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Again, we all know that. You have yet to make an actual point.

The point is: Jews do not need to convert to Islam to be considered righteous and have reward.

You're talking about people who lived before Mohamed's lifetime

Nope. Devout Jews still exist today doing the same things they did 1500 years ago. We're cool like that.

They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allāh during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer]. They believe in Allāh and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous. And whatever good they do - never will it be denied them. And Allāh is Knowing of the righteous.
  • standing reciting verses
  • during periods of the night
  • believe in Allah and the Last Day
  • enjoin what is right
  • forbid what is wrong
  • hasten to good deeds
  • it will never be denied them
Those are my people. :handpointup:

What the Jews from 622 onward deny is that the Qur'an is the latest series of revelations from God

Wow. You've interviewed all of us? ;)

It's irrelevant, Steve. The Quran doesn't require conversion. It's not evil. There's nothing wrong with it.

You're on a mission which fills your heart with PURPOSE. You need this for some reason. If you were ever to see it clearly for what it is, your PURPOSE evaporates. So, you'll never do that.

Surah 2 contains several more direct reference to Jews, many of which are adversarial, unflattering, and/or accusatory:

So what? Like I've said before this is no different from any of the prophets in the Hebrew bible. I also notice you skipped large sections of the surah. This creates an illusion for yourself and the readers. When you look at that list it reinforces your PURPOSE and the feeling it produces in your heart.

You skipped:

148: For each [religious following] is a [prayer] direction toward which it faces. So race to [all that is] good. Wherever you may be, Allāh will bring you forth [for judgement] all together. Indeed, Allāh is over all things competent.​

All religions have a direction which faces the good.
151: Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselves reciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you the Book and wisdom and teaching you that which you did not know.​

Allah's verses exist in multiple sources not just the Quran.

2:211 seems to accuse the Jews of changing the word of God - "Ask the Children of Israel how many clear signs We gave them. Whoever changes God's blessing after it has come to him, God is terrible in retribution."

You seem to have omitted the previous verses which moderate this... AS USUAL.

159: Indeed, those who conceal what We sent down of clear proofs and guidance after We made it clear for the people in the Scripture - those are cursed by Allāh and cursed by those who curse​
160: Except for those who repent and correct themselves and make evident [what they concealed]. Those - I will accept their repentance, and I am the Accepting of Repentance, the Merciful.​

Yes, it is saying that there are "those who conceal", but, as usual, just because they have concealed, doesn't mean they are evil. If they repent, they will be forgiven.

If Mohamed is NOT talking about the "signs" that became the Qur'an, what was he talking about and what is the Qur'an if not those "signs"?

It would depend on context.

You brought surah 7, all of those signs which are written about are the previous signs. The Quran there is confirming what is already written in the Torah. This makes sense. If one is denying the Surah 7, then, they are denying Torah. It's a strong argument. No Jewish person can read Surah 7 and deny it without denying their own revelation. There might be some minor differences, but that would be petty squabbling.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Salam

By playing games with language, anything can be justified. Even Shirk can be justified in Quran as those who took Imams as gods or incarnation of God did with the Quran.

Let's look at the first verse I quoted again:


وَهَٰذَا كِتَابٌ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ مُبَارَكٌ مُصَدِّقُ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَلِتُنْذِرَ أُمَّ الْقُرَىٰ وَمَنْ حَوْلَهَا ۚ وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ ۖ وَهُمْ عَلَىٰ صَلَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ | Blessed is this Book, which We have sent down, confirming what was [revealed] before it, so that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are guards of their prayers. | Al-An'aam : 92


The contra positive to the bold, is those who don't believe in the Quran, do not believe in the hereafter. As well as those who don't safeguard their prayers don't believe in the hereafter.
 

Link

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The verses from the Quran have been brought which show that conversion is NOT needed to attain the reward. Righteous Jews and Christians are rewarded.
They are rewarded so long as they don't have a means to attain to the truth of Mohammad (S). Because a lot of people did not hear of the message at that time, the world didn't all hear, so it's saying, not all people of the book have deviated, some remain on the path. Other verses show however if they come to know Quran and recite, they believe in it. That is there are other verses that say those who are righteous from them, when they come to hear the Quran, believe in it and cry in tears.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
They are rewarded so long as they don't have a means to attain to the truth of Mohammad (S). Because a lot of people did not hear of the message at that time, the world didn't all hear, so it's saying, not all people of the book have deviated, some remain on the path. Other verses show however if they come to know Quran and recite, they believe in it. That is there are other verses that say those who are righteous from them, when they come to hear the Quran, believe in it and cry in tears.

I have shown this is denying the Quran. I'm no loonger interested in your opinion, Link. Sorry, Bro. If what you write contradicts the Quran, I'm ignoring it. I think that's the right thing to do.
 

Link

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I have shown this is denying the Quran. I'm no loonger interested in your opinion, Link. Sorry, Bro. If what you write contradicts the Quran, I'm ignoring it. I think that's the right thing to do.
Our interpretations clash. But I think it's obvious, you are changing things beyond language norms. For example, @stevecanuck shows you verses talking about the necessity of accepting God's signs including the Quran. You say, no you can just accept the Torah, and don't need to accept Quran. How is this true? Why do signs include Torah but exclude Quran? How is that at all rational? And how can Judaism be accepted when disbelief in Jesus (a) is unacceptable in itself?
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Our interpretations clash. But I think it's obvious, you are changing things beyond language norms.

I am not interpreting I am reading 3:113-115.

You appear to be denying it. I am hoping that I am wrong and you will demonstrate that soon.

Go ahead and take those verses and show me how I am changing them.


For example, @stevecanuck shows you verses talking about the necessity of accepting God's signs including the Quran. You say, no you can just accept the Torah, and don't need to accept Quran. How is this true?

1) The Quran does not say "accept". That is changing the Quran. Didn't you just accuse me of changing the language?

2) It's easy! Bro. If the Quran does not contradict the Torah, then I don't need the Quran. Everything is IN THE TORAH already. That's why I keep asking you to bring something that's in the Quran that isn't in the Torah. Something meaningful. Not some difference about the biblical story-telling or that someone's name is different.


Why do signs include Torah but exclude Quran?

I''m not. That's the whole point. Read Surah 7. Everything is in the Torah already!

How is that at all rational? And how can Judaism be accepted when disbelief in Jesus (a) is unacceptable in itself?

That's a different story. Bring the verses from the Quran about Jesus and we can discuss them.
 

David1967

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Premium Member
And how can Judaism be accepted when disbelief in Jesus (a) is unacceptable in itself?
Now I'm curious. Can you please explain this for me? I didn't think that Jews or Muslims believed in Jesus, at least in the sense that belief in Jesus is taught in most Christian faiths i.e. that He is the Son of God. Respectfully.
 

Link

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Premium Member
Peace,

@dybmh There is two things going on. You can have philosophical problem with the issue that God condemns those who don't accept the most recent current guidance. That is a philosophical debate.

There is the other issue, is what does the Quran say, regardless of what is the right philosophical position. For example, if it condemns disbelief in Mohammad (s) and calls evil those who do and it's philosophically wrong to do so, this would be a way to say well Quran is wrong.

Let's not confuse the two.

As for the verses you quote, just like the "reward" verses in terms of accusation, all can be seen together. There are different verses, that show, what Quran means by the righteous of the people of the book.

For example:

وَإِذَا سَمِعُوا مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَى الرَّسُولِ تَرَىٰ أَعْيُنَهُمْ تَفِيضُ مِنَ الدَّمْعِ مِمَّا عَرَفُوا مِنَ الْحَقِّ ۖ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا آمَنَّا فَاكْتُبْنَا مَعَ الشَّاهِدِينَ | When they hear what has been revealed to the Apostle, you see their eyes fill with tears because of the truth that they recognize. They say, ‘Our Lord, we believe; so write us down among the witnesses. | Al-Maaida : 83

وَمَا لَنَا لَا نُؤْمِنُ بِاللَّهِ وَمَا جَاءَنَا مِنَ الْحَقِّ وَنَطْمَعُ أَنْ يُدْخِلَنَا رَبُّنَا مَعَ الْقَوْمِ الصَّالِحِينَ | Why should we not believe in Allah and the truth that has come to us, eager as we are that our Lord should admit us among the righteous people?’ | Al-Maaida : 84

فَأَثَابَهُمُ اللَّهُ بِمَا قَالُوا جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِنْ تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا ۚ وَذَٰلِكَ جَزَاءُ الْمُحْسِنِينَ | So, for what they said, Allah requited them with gardens with streams running in them, to remain in them [forever], and that is the reward of the virtuous. | Al-Maaida : 85
 

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Peace,

The Quran also says those who truly been given the book before, believed in Mohammad (s):

الَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ هُمْ بِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَ | Those to whom We gave the Book before it are the ones who believe in it, | Al-Qasas : 52

وَإِذَا يُتْلَىٰ عَلَيْهِمْ قَالُوا آمَنَّا بِهِ إِنَّهُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَبِّنَا إِنَّا كُنَّا مِنْ قَبْلِهِ مُسْلِمِينَ | and when it is recited to them, they say, ‘We believe in it. It is indeed the truth from our Lord. Indeed we were Muslims/Submitters [even] before it [came].’ | Al-Qasas : 53

أُولَٰئِكَ يُؤْتَوْنَ أَجْرَهُمْ مَرَّتَيْنِ بِمَا صَبَرُوا وَيَدْرَءُونَ بِالْحَسَنَةِ السَّيِّئَةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنْفِقُونَ | Those will be given their reward two times for their patience. They repel evil [conduct] with good, and spend out of what We have provided them, | Al-Qasas : 54

وَإِذَا سَمِعُوا اللَّغْوَ أَعْرَضُوا عَنْهُ وَقَالُوا لَنَا أَعْمَالُنَا وَلَكُمْ أَعْمَالُكُمْ سَلَامٌ عَلَيْكُمْ لَا نَبْتَغِي الْجَاهِلِينَ | and when they hear vain talk, they avoid it and say, ‘Our deeds belong to us, and your deeds belong to you. Peace be to you. We do not court the ignorant.’ | Al-Qasas : 55

إِنَّكَ لَا تَهْدِي مَنْ أَحْبَبْتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَهْدِي مَنْ يَشَاءُ ۚ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ | You cannot guide whomever you like, but [it is] Allah [who] guides whomever He wishes, and He knows best those who are guided. | Al-Qasas : 56
 
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