Jews in the Qur'an.

[stevecanuck]

Oh now I see the issue, you have trouble that Muslims shouldn’t rule a country at all.

No, I have trouble with being governed by religious laws. I have trouble with being conquered by any religion and then forced to pay a protection tax and being treated like a second-class citizen just like verse 9:29 of the Qur'an advocates.

How is that not the bleedin' obvious?

Well I can give examples where Christian’s and Jews were thriving under Islamic rule. For examples the Jews in Spain, even this they had to abide by Islamic law they strived and even Jews were getting in high positions, like ninisters .look what happend when Christians took over Spain. Jews were prosecuting again and they fled to Islamic countries in North Africa. So don’t come here with you Islamophobic arguments.

A other example were the Christian Copts in Egypt. There were being oppressed under the Christians so they were happy Muslim came.

Non Muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely, they even had their own Jewish court .

I don’t know what you are on but there is no compulsion in religion in Islam. .

Yeah i figured that

Saudi Arabia, you know - the birth place of Islam - does not allow any overt practice of other religions. Churches and temples are illegal. When I lived in Egypt I visited a Coptic church and asked what it was like to live in an Islamic country that ostensibly allows freedom of religion. They told me that Islamic oppression occurs via government go-slow approval of building permits and such. Sure, they can build a church, but it takes years to get the paperwork approved.

Then there's the issues of occasional mob murders. Every once in a while we heard of Muslims getting their feelings hurt and killing Copts. Yeah, who wouldn't want to be ruled by Islam?

 

[muhammad_isa]

When the Mafia does this it's called 'the protection racket'.

The mafia are not the legitimate govt. .. they are thugs.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Yeah, who wouldn't want to be ruled by Islam?

'Islam' is a religion.
People form govts. and they can be good or bad, regardless of religion.

 

[stevecanuck]

The mafia are not the legitimate govt. .. they are thugs.

You missed a line. Here it is again:

Only a shameless propagandist would try to sell the idea that a protection 'tax' imposed on conquered people of an 'inferior' religion is just like any other tax.

 

[stevecanuck]

'Islam' is a religion.
People form govts. and they can be good or bad, regardless of religion.

You keep dodging comments. Try harder:

Saudi Arabia, you know - the birth place of Islam - does not allow any overt practice of other religions. Churches and temples are illegal. When I lived in Egypt I visited a Coptic church and asked what it was like to live in an Islamic country that ostensibly allows freedom of religion. They told me that Islamic oppression occurs via government go-slow approval of building permits and such. Sure, they can build a church, but it takes years to get the paperwork approved.

Then there's the issues of occasional mob murders. Every once in a while we heard of Muslims getting their feelings hurt and killing Copts.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You keep dodging comments. Try harder:

Saudi Arabia, you know - the birth place of Islam - does not allow any overt practice of other religions..

I think you'll find that Saudia govt. has changed a lot in the last few years.
However, what I said stands .. govts. come and go, and can be good or bad.

 

[stevecanuck]

I think you'll find that Saudia govt. has changed a lot in the last few years.
However, what I said stands .. govts. come and go, and can be good or bad.

What stands? You still haven't addressed the Islamic draconian kingdom of SA and it's xenophobic, apartheid laws.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Only a shameless propagandist would try to sell the idea that a protection 'tax' imposed on conquered people of an 'inferior' religion is just like any other tax.

When the Mafia does this it's called 'the protection racket'

no you are missing the point. Your are implying liberall idea in an era which wasn’t present. In that era the strongest will overcome the weaker. Like I said empires fell and rises like dominos.

No, I have trouble with being governed by religious laws. I have trouble with being conquered by any religion and then forced to pay a protection tax and being treated like a second-class citizen just like verse 9:29 of the Qur'an advocates.

same answer as above

Saudi Arabia, you know - the birth place of Islam - does not allow any overt practice of other religions. Churches and temples are illegal. When I lived in Egypt I visited a Coptic church and asked what it was like to live in an Islamic country that ostensibly allows freedom of religion. They told me that Islamic oppression occurs via government go-slow approval of building permits and such. Sure, they can build a church, but it takes years to get the paperwork approved.

Then there's the issues of occasional mob murders. Every once in a while we heard of Muslims getting their feelings hurt and killing Copts. Yeah, who wouldn't want to be ruled by Islam?

thats false and you know it. You can practice your religion if you keep it indoors. So don’t come here with lies.

Murders happens everywhere. School shooting and other kind of violences

 

[stevecanuck]

no you are missing the point. Your are implying liberall idea in an era which wasn’t present. In that era the strongest will overcome the weaker. Like I said empires fell and rises like dominos.

No, YOU are missing the point. That 1400 year old command, just like all others in the Qur'an, has no expiration date.

It STILL applies,

same answer as above

Me too.

thats false and you know it. You can practice your religion if you keep it indoors. So don’t come here with lies.

I said that. There is NO lie there. >>> Saudi Arabia, you know - the birth place of Islam - does not allow any overt practice of other religions. Churches and temples are illegal.

All of that is 100% true. Your lies are transparent and easily answered. You're embarrassing yourself.

Murders happens everywhere. School shooting and other kind of violences

Wow! Are you really trying to pretend that's a real argument????? You are SO bad at this. Keep the nonsense coming. It's fun to expose it.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

No, YOU are missing the point. That 1400 year old command, just like all others in the Qur'an, has no expiration date.

Yet again you misunderstood me. I was referring to the way how empires went to war in order to expand. In this era borders are set and empires don’t go war to see who is the stronger. Not saying people don’t go to war nowadays but now there other reasons. Back then if you don’t fight those who get stronger you get eaten up.

Wow! Are you really trying to pretend that's a real argument????? You are SO bad at this. Keep the nonsense coming. It's fun to expose it.

the funny this what here is happening is you are objection Muslims countries while on the other hand those so called democratic countries commit invasion after invasion. Millions of dead and still counting
So don’t come here and judge Islamic rule while your so called free societies are getting worse by the day.
If a person want freedom, degeneracy, high crimes, high rate of rape and children that can transformation then move to the west.

 

[stevecanuck]

Yet again you misunderstood me. I was referring to the way how empires went to war in order to expand. In this era borders are set and empires don’t go war to see who is the stronger. Not saying people don’t go to war nowadays but now there other reasons. Back then if you don’t fight those who get stronger you get eaten up.

the funny this what here is happening is you are objection Muslims countries while on the other hand those so called democratic countries commit invasion after invasion. Millions of dead and still counting
So don’t come here and judge Islamic rule while your so called free societies are getting worse by the day.
If a person want freedom, degeneracy, high crimes, high rate of rape and children that can transformation then move to the west.

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

Yeah gotcha. Have a good one