Jihadism is anathema to Hinduism

[Shantanu]

For a great many years I have found myself following God as Sri Krishna through the use of certain time sightings on a digital clock which would direct me into specific actions. It worked for me for I attained my objectives thus confirming my belief that one could consult God and have some kind of conversation with Him. I was a truth-seeker seeking knowledge and fighting for justice and God was guiding me through my actions in my real life dealings to show me the path that I needed to follow redirecting me when I was uncertain of the future.

I found through this means that one could take Directions from Him for He is more knowledgeable and wise than any human being has the capacity for and so it would be foolish to think that one knew better for one's survival strategies and other goals than God.

However, the way in which Hinduism of the theistic kind differs from Islam is the idea of Jihadism in which one acts as a servant of God as perceived. The experiments that I conducted through devotion was blessed by God who had encouraged me as a gyana yogi and He protected me from my enemies from the guidance. He gave me my purpose that I defined as my dharma by telling me exactly how to deal with my adversaries from a position of material security. I was following God because time and again I saw that He was right and gave me good directions that enabled me to survive with dignity.

There is no distinction between surrendering to God and acting as His servant. True surrender can only be achieved from using a method that shows that one was definitely communicating with God not just imagining it. Unlike Islam where the ultimate aim is total surrender to the point of sacrificing one's life for the after life, the Hindu approach to theism is not a case of following God like a servant. Hindus recognise that God never wrote any holy books for humans to follow, so that human surrender to God is either through one's imagination or through the implementations of the doctrines written by humans thinking that they are being devoted to God (eg ISKON).

Hindus can be commandeered by God as avatars fulfilling certain tasks for Him. This He does through enticement by providing divine protection and imparting knowledge that generates bliss. These are very powerful incentives to staying with God in surrender.

Thus Hindus also surrender to God but in Hinduism the ultimate aim is moksha, that is true liberation not only from materials of human existence but also from spiritual attachments. This lies in having passed the stage of surrender and taking control of one's own life. Surrender is necessary for knowledge of God but it only serves this purpose in Hinduism. We do not surrender to God after we have found out for certain that He exists. We Hindus are encouraged by God Himself to live freely and to get liberated to live as we think is best for us within the capacities of our mind. We find our own dharma through this process. It differs from Islamic jihad in which the goal is not liberation as moksha but the desire for an afterlife that their Holy book of Koran promises those who surrender.

In other words, Hindus cannot be jihadists like Muslims can carrying out God's wishes. It is God who decides whether He will assist a devotee with His activities, including the decision of how He might continue to help a person once He has decided to be free of Him. We Hindus are not servants of God like Islamic jihadists. When we say we practice sanatan dharma it is only our own idea of what this is made of for it has no basis of fact that God directed this religion. As a Hindu, I can in fact choose not to take any further Directions from God to be totally free for that is liberation or moksha to me. This is because I do not wish to be all knowledgeable and wise as God is but wish to live to the reality of my own mental and physical capacities and limitations as the human being that I am. However, if I need to see him for help, He must still be available to guide me: and indeed He does. That is the Hindu relationship with God.

What are your thoughts?

 

[kalyan]

First off, you are right in trusting Sri Krushna as the ultimate, but you used the Gyana Yogi term very loose.
For one to become a gyana yogi in this world is NOT possible.. For Gyanam, you need Nishkaama Karma as a prerequisite and to practice this, you need a guru kula vaasam as prerequisite, and if you keep on doing this Nishkaama Karma and directing every karma as a service to god, the gyanam is obtained and when the gyanam ripens it becomes gyana yogam.

Regarding surrender, prapatti is required as that is the real swaroopam of Jiva, Jiva's true nature is belonging to paramaatma only. You need not be a servant as paramaatma is your father, mother, brother and even husband, the question now is are you a servant to your father ? the answer should be a resounding no. It comes naturally. Our relationship with paramaatma is natural and it is real nature of Jiva. Vedas are eternal and they exist from time immemorial and they establish nArayaNa as the supreme, so you have to take directions from god as the jiva by nature its size in atomic and so his knowledge of the prakriti is atomic, Sri Krushna says in BG, that he is the controller of Prakriti and Jiva as he exists in every thing as its inner controller, so he knows the true nature of prakriti and how it binds the jiva in this eternal samsaara, you cannot control prakriti as Sri Krushna is its owner. For example when you go to a neighbour's house who has a dog, the dog won't listen to you, its listens to its master only, you can't tell the dog to stop barking as the owner is the neighbor.

am against religious conversions and hate them but won't take potshots at any religion as the muslims follow whatever that is written in quran, if they follow the good points from it truly, then they are correct to themselves, although quran has many verses that promote the violence, but what one can do about it.

adiyen Chinna Jeeyar Swamy Daasa
adiyen Ramanuja Daasa

 

[Shantanu]

First off, you are right in trusting Sri Krushna as the ultimate, but you used the Gyana Yogi term very loose.
For one to become a gyana yogi in this world is NOT possible.. For Gyanam, you need Nishkaama Karma as a prerequisite and to practice this, you need a guru kula vaasam as prerequisite, and if you keep on doing this Nishkaama Karma and directing every karma as a service to god, the gyanam is obtained and when the gyanam ripens it becomes gyana yogam.

Regarding surrender, prapatti is required as that is the real swaroopam of Jiva, Jiva's true nature is belonging to paramaatma only. You need not be a servant as paramaatma is your father, mother, brother and even husband, the question now is are you a servant to your father ? the answer should be a resounding no. It comes naturally. Our relationship with paramaatma is natural and it is real nature of Jiva. Vedas are eternal and they exist from time immemorial and they establish nArayaNa as the supreme, so you have to take directions from god as the jiva by nature its size in atomic and so his knowledge of the prakriti is atomic, Sri Krushna says in BG, that he is the controller of Prakriti and Jiva as he exists in every thing as its inner controller, so he knows the true nature of prakriti and how it binds the jiva in this eternal samsaara, you cannot control prakriti as Sri Krushna is its owner. For example when you go to a neighbour's house who has a dog, the dog won't listen to you, its listens to its master only, you can't tell the dog to stop barking as the owner is the neighbor.

am against religious conversions and hate them but won't take potshots at any religion as the muslims follow whatever that is written in quran, if they follow the good points from it truly, then they are correct to themselves, although quran has many verses that promote the violence, but what one can do about it.

adiyen Chinna Jeeyar Swamy Daasa
adiyen Ramanuja Daasa

Dear Kalyan,

Can you elaborate on what is Nishkaama Karma?

Did you not know that God can directly stimulate a person into seeking knowledge as Sadhguru, or the ultimate guru? You could through deep bhakti show God your need for knowledge and understanding and wait for Him to guide you in His own way. It requires deep devotion over a very long period of time. There us nothing that God cannot do to assist a devotee who is genuinely a good person devoted to nothing but knowledge. The process of seeking knowledge as a gyana yogi in this way has been identified by me through my personal studies. I call it satya-advaita, or oneness with truth, that is truth accommodation. In this process one sacrifices all one's beliefs to get onto a path that slowly sifts one's mind of all delusional ideas and builds the house of knowledge. So it is quite possible though very hard to be a gyana yogi without the gurukula that you are mentioning. Surrendering to Sri Krishna to attain His blessings is the only pre-requisite for being a gyana yogi who is destined to attain realisation.

 

[kalyan]

Shantanu swamy,

Yes surrender to Sri Krushna should be done through a proper acharya that comes from Ramanuja Lineage (trust me there are still acharyas left of this lineage) , yes ofcourse paramaatma/god can bless some people with extreme knowledge (who can deny Sri Krushna , its his wish ), we see such blessed ones became alwars in the dravida desham(tamil nadu). These 12 alwars has siddha bhakti, the bhakti/love towards god that is blessed by god himself and hence these alwars are considered many many times better than the rishis who attained divine knowledge through their practices(saadhya bhakti)

Nishkaama karma is doing each and every work without expecting the results/fruits from it and directing that results to Sri Krushna so that finally he should become happy and also leaving sangam that without me this work could never been done and these are mine . This was told by Sri Krushna to arjuna in BG 8th chapter, that adhi Yagnam is him only (meaning the goal of all the yagnas should be Krushna only or it will tie us to this eternal samsaara as Karma binds if not following this way, one should remember that yagnas are nothing but any karma that is directed to god, its very very difficult to do, i am full of sins and I have to admit I am not able to follow these but trying to, atleast but knowing this can make one better at some point, you are blessed in that way that you are able to redirect/associate yourself to god). There is a pretty good reason as why one should not expect result, as there are many good factors contributing a result (we(Jiva) + our body + 5 indriyas +manas + paramaatma + external factors) , so if we take the fruit alone we become a thief. Either you have to acknowledge all these or dont accept the result.

 

[Osal]

For a great many years I have found myself following God as Sri Krishna through the use of certain time sightings on a digital clock which would direct me into specific actions. It worked for me for I attained my objectives thus confirming my belief that one could consult God and have some kind of conversation with Him.

I don't know much about Hindu beliefs, but is this sort of thing common among Hindus communicating with God?

 

[Shantanu]

Shantanu swamy,

Yes surrender to Sri Krushna should be done through a proper acharya that comes from Ramanuja Lineage (trust me there are still acharyas left of this lineage) , yes ofcourse paramaatma/god can bless some people with extreme knowledge (who can deny Sri Krushna , its his wish ), we see such blessed ones became alwars in the dravida desham(tamil nadu). These 12 alwars has siddha bhakti, the bhakti/love towards god that is blessed by god himself and hence these alwars are considered many many times better than the rishis who attained divine knowledge through their practices(saadhya bhakti)

Nishkaama karma is doing each and every work without expecting the results/fruits from it and directing that results to Sri Krushna so that finally he should become happy and also leaving sangam that without me this work could never been done and these are mine . This was told by Sri Krushna to arjuna in BG 8th chapter, that adhi Yagnam is him only (meaning the goal of all the yagnas should be Krushna only or it will tie us to this eternal samsaara as Karma binds if not following this way, one should remember that yagnas are nothing but any karma that is directed to god, its very very difficult to do, i am full of sins and I have to admit I am not able to follow these but trying to, atleast but knowing this can make one better at some point, you are blessed in that way that you are able to redirect/associate yourself to god). There is a pretty good reason as why one should not expect result, as there are many good factors contributing a result (we(Jiva) + our body + 5 indriyas +manas + paramaatma + external factors) , so if we take the fruit alone we become a thief. Either you have to acknowledge all these or dont accept the result.

I do not know about being a swamy but I know myself to certainly be a gyana yogi ( learner, a student of the meaning of existence) who is exploring these truths. I agree with you about Nishkama karma as you have explained it. In fact I should say that any kind of attachment (whether to ones actions/karma and goals, to one's ideas and beliefs, to ones material possessions, to one's body, to God Himself, etc ) and desires are indications that one has not reached the endpoint of truth-searching knowledge as a gyana yogi. It is when one is totally free in one's living outlook and is therefore liberated that one has attained the purpose of living and one is then a sanyassi. Indeed at this point one is ready for Samadhi for there is nothing left to be done. I believe Buddhism also teaches this although I have never considered myself to be a Buddhist because I know Sri Krishna.

 

[kalyan]

I don't know much about Hindu beliefs, but is this sort of thing common among Hindus communicating with God?

if you mean he meant that Sri Krushna is talking to him, that should be a no, he is I think is attributing some good ideas that come to him to god which is a good thing no ?

 

[Shantanu]

I don't know much about Hindu beliefs, but is this sort of thing common among Hindus communicating with God?

If you accept that God exists, how can you find out what He is like if not by trying to establish correspondence, whether you are a Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, etc?

 

[Acintya_Ash]

I don't know much about Hindu beliefs, but is this sort of thing common among Hindus communicating with God?

Maybe he's referring to the inner voice. As Socrates puts it

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  "This sign I have had ever since I was a child. The sign is a voice which comes to me and always forbids me to do something which I am going to do, but never commands me to do anything..."

 

[Shantanu]

Maybe he's referring to the inner voice. As Socrates puts it

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  "This sign I have had ever since I was a child. The sign is a voice which comes to me and always forbids me to do something which I am going to do, but never commands me to do anything..."

No. I am 100 per cent certain that I communicated with God.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

No. I am 100 per cent certain that I communicated with God.

Good for you

 

[Shantanu]

Good for you

I need to know the truth of what I have written, of what I am experiencing: so I post to see what feedback I get.

 

[spiritualhitchhiker]

In Kali Yuga, GOD doesn't respond.

 

[Acintya_Ash]

In Kali Yuga, GOD doesn't respond.

how do you know that?

 

[spiritualhitchhiker]

how do you know that?

Because GOD doesn't respond to me.

It is written in the scriptures.

 

[ameyAtmA]

1. No. Most Hindus believe, in Kali Yuga, only mad people and children speak GOD's words.
2. We can't have two way communication with GOD.
3. In Kali Yuga GOD does not respond.
4. It is in the scriptures

SpiritualHitchHiker,

Each and every one of these statements is plain wrong. Please delete your statements. You are sending wrong messages about Hindu Dharma and doing a disservice to it.

We Hindus have Saints born in Kali Yuga that disprove each and every one of your statements. There are jivas currently living on earth, embodied right here, although rare, that disprove these statements.
The quest for truth and child-like bhAva towards BhagvAn makes surrender to Him successful.

If you say these stmts were written as humor ------ visitors will not know what the context and mood of these statements is supposed to be -- joking or otherwise. They will take a wrong msg home.

Thank You

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mannAtha Shri JagannAthah
madguroh Shri JagadGuruh
madAtmA sarva-bhUtAtmA
tasmai Shri Gurave namah:

 

[Kalibhakta]

Because GOD doesn't respond to me.

It is written in the scriptures.

Ramakrishna talked to The Divine Mother, and so did Vamaksepa.

Just because you need to be Mad to the world does not mean it doesn't happen.

 

[ShivaFan]

Not to be critical of the OP, there is Hinduism in the thoughts but some things also sounded to me, as a Hindu, as "foreign".

Of course, there is a lot of diversity within Hinduism ... and precisely because of this diversity, "Village Hindus" such as myself, when in communion with fellow Hindus or visiting Divine Residents of various temples, while we do not "ban" or totally avoid certain words, we do not FOCUS on them in a manner that suffocates our communion with other Hindus nor do we tender such words that, frankly, pretend to have the one and final conclusion. Let me explain, but what I am refering to is also part of the Hindu value of treating guests in an honorable way, especially fellow Hindus.

Take the reference "He" with a capital H used repeatedly in the OP. Please do not feel I am being too critical, there are some nice points you made in the OP. Yes, I may use the term "He" with capital H in my discussiuns, or a pandit might be telling me and a group of Village Hindus about the glory of Ram and His leelas, or Lord Ganesha, or other retelling in the tradition of Listening (oral tradition) to the wonderful leelas, "stories" and such as satsang and bhakti and, well, religion, rendered by the "teller".

But in the example of Ram, if embedded with the spirit of Bhakti, the very power of the NAME of Ram argues to take every opportunity to SAY the Name "Ram" verse simply "He, He, He" over and over!

It sounds too Muslim to me for example, less Hindu. So if it is Krishna you speak, say "Krishna, Krishna, Krishna" (!) not "He, He, He". Not Abrahamic (?) speak, use Hindu speak...

And when in communion with fellow Hindus, it is fine to say "He" if that is your heart, but tender it "just a bit" .... because, why just "He"?

Why not "She"???? She, the Devi! The Great Mother Goddess? so...

Think of those who LOVE She, just a bit.

Also ... not the OP, but some who simply, really are about, attacking Hindus in the false narrative of claiming Hindu, when they are clearly, simply, not ready to live in the Hindu Mansion of many colors, who act so mean simply because they are DISAPPOINTED Hindus. Just because the Divine spoke to you but you think the Divine did not because you never heard the Divine, does not mean others have not spoken with the Divine. I do often. And I have sung (song) with the Divine, and am comfortable in the natural law. It is natural to be so. That is why I am happy.

Yes Jihadism isn't natural to Hinduism. Jihad in the, modern, terrorist lingo of "us or die". Why anathema? Because Hindus do not have a "He" ordering them to kill everyone else to the last. We may indeed kill someone, but not really. Not like that.

Om Namah Sivaya