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Jnana Nishta

OM25

New Member
Jnana nishta is firm belief as- aham brahmasmi-

My doubt is: how long should one practice this. It is quite difficult to hold on to this jnana nishta. what happens if one deviates after sometime.

Secondly:If the desires of a man(or woman) is exhausted to a large extent, then it is quite difficult to live like normal. What could be the possible solution.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
jnana-knowledge; In vedanta(advaita), the ultimate truth is 'I am unconditioned being'
nishta-firm faith, belief.

Which knowledge? Intellectual knowledge that the self exists? Or true knowledge from the Self itself?
 

OM25

New Member
Which knowledge? Intellectual knowledge that the self exists? Or true knowledge from the Self itself?

Like i mentioned clearly in the former post,'i am unconditioned being' or in sanskrit terms,'shivoham' or 'ekoham'. I am not too sure about the way you have classified the knowledge as intellectual and true.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Like i mentioned clearly in the former post,'i am unconditioned being' or in sanskrit terms,'shivoham' or 'ekoham'. I am not too sure about the way you have classified the knowledge as intellectual and true.

But my point is this can be taken at two levels. Let's use 'snow' as an analogy. You can read about it, see pictures of it, have others tell you about it, know here to find it, what its uses are and more. But to really understand it, you have to pick some up in your hands and feel it. Similarly there are 'scholars' who research countires, cultures, or faiths, without actually living in them.

Shivoham is one thing to talk of, yet another to experience.
 

OM25

New Member
But my point is this can be taken at two levels. Let's use 'snow' as an analogy. You can read about it, see pictures of it, have others tell you about it, know here to find it, what its uses are and more. But to really understand it, you have to pick some up in your hands and feel it. Similarly there are 'scholars' who research countires, cultures, or faiths, without actually living in them.

Shivoham is one thing to talk of, yet another to experience.

You are absolutely right and i agree with that. Jnana nishta is required when a person is not yet realized. If a person has direct experience(aparokshanubhuti), then jnana nishta is not required.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You are absolutely right and i agree with that. Jnana nishta is required when a person is not yet realized. If a person has direct experience(aparokshanubhuti), then jnana nishta is not required.

Lots of embodies jivas do quite well without it, for they intuitively understand right conduct and surrender to God through bhakti. Actions speak louder than words. Then again, there is no harm in having this basic knowledge, as it may be a guide to the future evolution of the soul.
 

Onkara

Well-Known Member
Jnana nishta is firm belief as- aham brahmasmi-

My doubt is: how long should one practice this. It is quite difficult to hold on to this jnana nishta. what happens if one deviates after sometime.

Secondly:If the desires of a man(or woman) is exhausted to a large extent, then it is quite difficult to live like normal. What could be the possible solution.

Hello OM
I can offer a perspective to the questions based on the defintion provided yesterday.

Faith or belief will come to an end as jñana 'removes' the ignorance (avidya). So the answer is that it is practiced until the point when the fruit is ripe and understanding is established. Until that point, which is known for what it is, there will be a requirement for jñana and other yoga.

Devitation is not an issue, as Sri Krishna explains in the Gita[1].

Secondly, desire gives way to intuitive wisdom (or knowing), one will know that it is not "I" that acts but the gunas which prompt one to act i.e. desire etc.


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[1] Bhagavad Gita:

Arjuna said:
Possessed of faith, but uncontrolled,
With mind wandering from yoga,
What is the end of him who fails
To gain perfection in yoga? 37
43
Does he not, fallen from both,42 then
Perish, supportless, a torn cloud,
O mighty-armed, deluded in
The path that leads unto Brahman? 38
This doubt of mine, O Keshava,
You should now completely dispel;
It is not possible for aught
But You to dispel this my doubt. 39
The Holy Lord said:
Verily, O son of Pritha,
There is no destruction for him
Neither here nor hereafter, for
Doers of good ne’er come to grief. 40
He gains the worlds of the righteous,
And dwells there throughout countless years;
Then the fallen yogi takes birth
Among the pure and prosperous. 41
Or else he will be born into
A family of wise yogis;
Verily, a birth such as that
Is hard to obtain in this world. 42
There he regains the knowledge which
He acquired in his former life,
And strives even more than before,
For perfection, O Kuru’s son. 43
His previous practice alone
Impels him on the yogic path–
He who just asks about yoga
Rises above the Vedic rites. 44
44
42 Both worlds–the here and the hereafter, earth and heaven.
That yogi, striving earnestly,
Pure from taint, gradually gains
Perfection throughout many births
And thus reaches the highest goal. 45
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Jnana nishta is firm belief as- aham brahmasmi-

My doubt is: how long should one practice this. It is quite difficult to hold on to this jnana nishta. what happens if one deviates after sometime.

Secondly:If the desires of a man(or woman) is exhausted to a large extent, then it is quite difficult to live like normal. What could be the possible solution.

I have always seen the path of Jnana as for the few not the many. One must have a very good analitical mind and be full of renunciation.

It has been my personal experience ( and my experience of watching my friends) that once on the path of Jnana (or any other path of yoga) and you make even a little progress that there is just not as much fun in the worldly life. You can go back to the old ways there will just be something missing. It is kinda like what drug addicts say about drug rehab. Once you go, you can drink and use drugs again it just will never be as much fun, the truth is always in the back of your mind.

I am not sure if I answered your question.
 
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Satsangi

Active Member
Nishtha is a FIRM belief. Only "aparokshanubhuti" can give an unshakeable belief- be it Bhakti or Jnana Nishtha. Once u have THAT experience- that is Jnana, that is Bhakti- there is no need to differentiate- there is no difference. But before that experience, one is just on the path and has a long/short way to travel to reach the destination.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Nishtha is a FIRM belief. Only "aparokshanubhuti" can give an unshakeable belief- be it Bhakti or Jnana Nishtha. Once u have THAT experience- that is Jnana, that is Bhakti- there is no need to differentiate- there is no difference. But before that experience, one is just on the path and has a long/short way to travel to reach the destination.

Very true, to follow Jnana you must have Bhakti. To make progress on the path
Bhakti you must have Jnana.
 

OM25

New Member
Thank you all for the replies.
It's becoming increasingly difficult for me to deal with the present situation. I even went to an advaita matha to have sanyasa diksha. But almost all of them laughed and were very unwelcoming. I have one more option RK math but they insist on 'social service' and other regulations which I don't want to be part of, for some reason. Weird as it may sound, I even tried to go to a forest! but I didn't even stayed there till dusk. I have quit 3 different jobs and it seems like the end of the road.
 
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