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Joe Manchin Third Party Candidate For President?

tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
Manchin isn't running for president and I'm glad he's not running for re-election.
Take Sinema with you Manchin
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
The only discussion that's relevant to third party candidates: who will they take votes away from, and how many?

Let's note that a strong thrid party candidate would likely result in no one winning 270 electoral college votes, thus no president elect. Then what?
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
tytlyf said:
Incorrect. Manchin and Sinema are both problems. The democratic party is better without them.
You can now explain why I'm wrong.
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This is true if, and only if, Manchin is not replaced by a Republican. But having that seat won by a Republican is clearly the most likely outcome, and this outcome portends a Republican controlled Senate. In the context of a Republican controlled House and the very real possibility of a Trump presidency, democracy in this country could well face an existential crisis.

That you fail to recognize this is more than a little frightening.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
F1fan said:
The only discussion that's relevant to third party candidates: who will they take votes away from, and how many?

Let's note that a strong thrid party candidate would likely result in no one winning 270 electoral college votes, thus no president elect. Then what?
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From 270toWin:

If neither candidate gets a majority of the 538 electoral votes, the election for President is decided in the House of Representatives, with each state delegation having one vote. A majority of states (26) is needed to win. Senators would elect the Vice-President, with each Senator having a vote. A majority of Senators (51) is needed to win.​

It's not a happy thought.
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
Jayhawker Soule said:
This is true if, and only if, Manchin is not replaced by a Republican. But having that seat won by a Republican is clearly the most likely outcome, and this outcome portends a Republican controlled Senate. In the context of a Republican controlled House and the very real possibility of a Trump presidency, democracy in this country could well face an existential crisis.

That you fail to recognize this is more than a little frightening.
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I don't fail to recognize that. I don't care if either seat i(Manchin, SInema) are replaced with a republican. They're both problems and they both need to go. If dems lose those elections, so be it.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
esmith said:
Source is: Is Joe Manchin running for president? What we know, what we don't
Senator Manchin has said that he will not be seeking reelection in 2024 but will be:
"traveling the country and speaking out to see if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring Americans together."

So, does this indicate that he may run for President as a thrid party candidate in 2024?
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Now would certainly appear to be a good time to try it. I think there are a lot of conservatives that have NOT lost their minds and that feel completely discarded by the current Trump cult that the GOP has become. There are also a lot of traditional democrats that have gotten tired of the total lack of forward thinking or action by the democratic party. So there are a lot of people out there looking for someone and something else to support.

Granted these are moderate conservatives and hyper-liberals, so they will not see eye to eye on many key social issues. But I do believe that they do have some major political and economic issues that both could support. And if a third party candidate were to focus on those issues, and campaign hard on them, they might be able garner a LOT of voter support (including mine). And even if this candidate did not win, it would still be very good for the nation for the two current parties to see that they can both be rejected.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
tytlyf said:
Incorrect. Manchin and Sinema are both problems. The democratic party is better without them.
You can now explain why I'm wrong.
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Because Manchin's retirement means the Republicans will likely take that seat, which means the Republicans are more likely to take the Senate.

I have no love for Manchin, But the fact is right now, the Democrat party was better off with him.
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
fantome profane said:
Because Manchin's retirement means the Republicans will likely take that seat, which means the Republicans are more likely to take the Senate.

I have no love for Manchin, But the fact is right now, the Democrat party was better off with him.
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Doesn't matter to me. He needs to go. If dems lose the seat, then they need to pick one up elsewhere. I don't see a problem.
Manchin has already proven that he cannot be counted on to vote with the party and president.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
esmith said:
Source is: Is Joe Manchin running for president? What we know, what we don't
Senator Manchin has said that he will not be seeking reelection in 2024 but will be:
"traveling the country and speaking out to see if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring Americans together."

So, does this indicate that he may run for President as a thrid party candidate in 2024?
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I still want the Foreword Party to front a candidate but I fear it's not this cycle.

I still think R&Ds both are actively suppressing any third parties with extreme prejudice like two despot dictators in a totalitarian regime.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
F1fan said:
Because a strong third party candidate could take 60-80 EC votes and Biden and Trump splitting the rest. The math wouldn’t result in 270 for anyone.
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What makes you think there will be "a strong third party candidate"?
  • Who might this candidate be?

What makes you think s/he "could would likely take 60-80 EC votes and Biden and Trump splitting the rest"? The strongest third party performance in the 20th century was Teddy Roosevelt (88) in 1912 and George Wallace (46) in 1968.
  • Again, who might this candidate be?
  • Given this candidate, what percentage of this hypothetical 60-80 EC vote deficit is likely to come from each of the two major parties?
 
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