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Joint Origin of Language and Music Possible?

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Prosody: noun
the patterns of rhythm and sound used in poetry.

A Joint Prosodic Origin of Language and Music

I found this hypothesis and theory article, dated from a few years ago, and while it is long, I also found it fascinating, as I am thoroughly interested in the linkage between language development/communication and music, and also its application as a tool for religious reverence or observance. Here is their concluding statements.

"The account of language evolution that I have presented in this article is vocal (rather than gestural), prosodic (rather than articulatory or syllabic), group-level (rather than individual, or dyadic), committed to a joint origin of language and music, and rooted in the idea that syntax-based phrase generation emerged, from its origin, as the filling out of a prosodic scaffold during speech production. I propose a two-step evolutionary process: first an involuntary but ritualized system of affective prosody, followed by a learning-based system of intonational prosody grounded in phonemic combinatoriality. From there, language and music branched out as separate, though homologous, functions through the emergence of lexicality and tonality, respectively, and through the adoption of the contrasting communicative arrangements of alternation and integration, respectively. After their separation, language and music are perennially reunited in songs with words, occurring in both melogenic (more-musical) and logogenic (more speech-like) styles. This potential for direct and seamless coupling between words and musical pitches is one of the strongest pieces of evidence supporting a joint origin of language and music."
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Thank you for a fascinating OP! The hypothesis seems compatible with one I read of some years ago that asserted both speech and song might have evolved out of mating calls. Does that make any sense to you?
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Thank you for a fascinating OP! The hypothesis seems compatible with one I read of some years ago that asserted both speech and song might have evolved out of mating calls. Does that make any sense to you?

I could see it as being used for mating calls, and also the transmission of affective information between parent(s) and offspring, or even between a leader and troupe.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Prosody: noun
the patterns of rhythm and sound used in poetry.
A Joint Prosodic Origin of Language and Music
I found this hypothesis and theory article, dated from a few years ago, and while it is long, I also found it fascinating, as I am thoroughly interested in the linkage between language development/communication and music, ........................................"

Philology: the comparative study of languages.
Distinct families: the parent language of each major family does Not point to any one particular parent language.
To me this is because as the people migrated away from ancient Babylon they took with them their new languages.
Thus, languages differ Not only in grammar and roots but also in the manner in which ideas are being built.
So, different languages have different thought patterns which at first can make it hard to think in that new or different language because of new grammars.
In Scripture, starting with Genesis, language and music go hand in hand. First musical reference is found at Genesis 4:21
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Prosody: noun
the patterns of rhythm and sound used in poetry.

A Joint Prosodic Origin of Language and Music

I found this hypothesis and theory article, dated from a few years ago, and while it is long, I also found it fascinating, as I am thoroughly interested in the linkage between language development/communication and music, and also its application as a tool for religious reverence or observance. Here is their concluding statements.

"The account of language evolution that I have presented in this article is vocal (rather than gestural), prosodic (rather than articulatory or syllabic), group-level (rather than individual, or dyadic), committed to a joint origin of language and music, and rooted in the idea that syntax-based phrase generation emerged, from its origin, as the filling out of a prosodic scaffold during speech production. I propose a two-step evolutionary process: first an involuntary but ritualized system of affective prosody, followed by a learning-based system of intonational prosody grounded in phonemic combinatoriality. From there, language and music branched out as separate, though homologous, functions through the emergence of lexicality and tonality, respectively, and through the adoption of the contrasting communicative arrangements of alternation and integration, respectively. After their separation, language and music are perennially reunited in songs with words, occurring in both melogenic (more-musical) and logogenic (more speech-like) styles. This potential for direct and seamless coupling between words and musical pitches is one of the strongest pieces of evidence supporting a joint origin of language and music."

Just wanted you to know - that was a very fascinating article. I had never considered the concept of the evolution of musical and speech vocalizations before. I need to take more time on the article to become more familiar with some aspects of their approach but it opened a new view on evolutionary progression in language. Thanks for the post.
 
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