stvdv
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IF anyone says something valuable I accept that
IF anyone says something 'rubbish' I reject that
I keep an open, objective mind that way
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Jordan Peters on "One night stand" people (60s)
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IF anyone says something 'rubbish' I reject that
I keep an open, objective mind that way
stvdv
Veteran Member
I rather idolize good teachings, not a (wo)man
Fair enough.
It just happens that the noise-to-poison-to-signal ratios regarding Jordan Peterson are lousy, truly awful. He is shameful.
As someone who grew up with rather "liberal" views of sex, I had periods where one-night stands were just stepping stones along the way to finding someone with whom it felt natural to remain with. Sometimes it takes a while to find that special person, and during the 60s and 70s, when I was maturing, finding a sex partner was pretty easy. (Actually, it was always much easier for gay men to find a willing partner.)
Once I discovered the advantages of a committed relationship, things simply changed, that's all, and I moved into relationships of 5, 7 and now 30+ years.
Once I discovered the advantages of a committed relationship, things simply changed, that's all, and I moved into relationships of 5, 7 and now 30+ years.
You’re conflating one night stands with promiscuity. If someone has a one night stand every 2 years, are they promiscuous?
Any honest doctor will tell you that most unprotected sex can be unhealthy.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Isn't Petersen making the same conflation, though?
☆Dreamwind☆
Active Member
He's just a blowhard that wants to spout puri-tyrannical beliefs, as well as trying to oppress and further stigmatize the mentally ill with his nonsensical bull.
Maybe being so obsessed with others relationships and controlling and belittling adults, as if they were eternal children is a true sign that You are a genuinely disturbed and stunted individual. Do these people ever think of that?
How each person chooses to conduct their relationships is entirely up to them, and as long as all parties involved are willing, it don't matter if its strictly temporary, or an honest attempt at a permanent relationship. I've had boyfriends, lovers, FWBs, a fiancé, and one night stands.
Sex is a natural and healthy behavior between consenting adults. And yes, between consenting teenagers. Purity parents, your kids aren't magically ignorant of sex until they hit 18, despite your attempts to keep them stunted.
It's not anyone else's business to dictate what people do, as long as they aren't harming each other.
As for monogamous relationships, they're risky too. How do you know the person you are dating or married to isn't a murderer, a cheater, an abuser, a stalker, or a controlling narcissus until its too late?
There are far more dangerous things then going out and boinking people for one fun night.
What about people who do extreme sports and activities? Like skydiving, mountain/rock climbing, free diving with no tanks, exploring, or motor bike racing? Are they crazy, stupid, or wrong? That kinda stuff can result in death or debilitating injury if something goes sideways. And yet, we respect their right to do it.
People need to let go of the fact that sex is bad, wrong, and sinful. Our bodies were designed by nature to enjoy it. That's the reason we don't have breeding seasons like other animals.
Maybe being so obsessed with others relationships and controlling and belittling adults, as if they were eternal children is a true sign that You are a genuinely disturbed and stunted individual. Do these people ever think of that?
How each person chooses to conduct their relationships is entirely up to them, and as long as all parties involved are willing, it don't matter if its strictly temporary, or an honest attempt at a permanent relationship. I've had boyfriends, lovers, FWBs, a fiancé, and one night stands.
Sex is a natural and healthy behavior between consenting adults. And yes, between consenting teenagers. Purity parents, your kids aren't magically ignorant of sex until they hit 18, despite your attempts to keep them stunted.
It's not anyone else's business to dictate what people do, as long as they aren't harming each other.
As for monogamous relationships, they're risky too. How do you know the person you are dating or married to isn't a murderer, a cheater, an abuser, a stalker, or a controlling narcissus until its too late?
There are far more dangerous things then going out and boinking people for one fun night.
What about people who do extreme sports and activities? Like skydiving, mountain/rock climbing, free diving with no tanks, exploring, or motor bike racing? Are they crazy, stupid, or wrong? That kinda stuff can result in death or debilitating injury if something goes sideways. And yet, we respect their right to do it.
People need to let go of the fact that sex is bad, wrong, and sinful. Our bodies were designed by nature to enjoy it. That's the reason we don't have breeding seasons like other animals.
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Heh... admiring Jordan Peterson is not a marker of a well-adjusted person.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I hope that everyone recognized that my little joke about not getting enough one night stands was just that, a joke. I'd be perfectly happy to have a new partner every three or four days, it doesn't have to be every day. 
Seriously though, I can honestly say that I have been more miserable in committed long term relationships than when unattached. The trouble has been that once I "escape" from one such situation I get drawn back into looking for sex and because that's not so easy to come by, I stick to the first person that will give it to me, and here I go again.
As a heterosexual male, I believe the trouble lies in the differing levels and types of sexual desires between men and women. I'm not blaming women, it's all perfectly reasonable from a "natural" point of view. Women need a man to stick around to help raise children. I will add that women tend to "go off" sex in a committed relationship. Again it's not their fault, but it's frustrating to have that happen and still be expected to be "faithful".
Another point that has been raised, that promiscuity treats other people as "objects". Let's say I like to play chess. I find someone that will play with me but we don't share other interests so chess is all we do together. Are we treating each other as "objects"? Yes, if we use the standard that is applied to sex. But why does that matter?
Seriously though, I can honestly say that I have been more miserable in committed long term relationships than when unattached. The trouble has been that once I "escape" from one such situation I get drawn back into looking for sex and because that's not so easy to come by, I stick to the first person that will give it to me, and here I go again.
As a heterosexual male, I believe the trouble lies in the differing levels and types of sexual desires between men and women. I'm not blaming women, it's all perfectly reasonable from a "natural" point of view. Women need a man to stick around to help raise children. I will add that women tend to "go off" sex in a committed relationship. Again it's not their fault, but it's frustrating to have that happen and still be expected to be "faithful".
Another point that has been raised, that promiscuity treats other people as "objects". Let's say I like to play chess. I find someone that will play with me but we don't share other interests so chess is all we do together. Are we treating each other as "objects"? Yes, if we use the standard that is applied to sex. But why does that matter?
☆Dreamwind☆
Active Member
As a straight woman with a high libido, I have never treated or viewed my partners as an object to use, nor have I ever been treated or viewed in such a manner by them. We treated each other as interesting strangers we'd like to get to know a little more intimately. Sometimes we became friends. Sometimes it turned into a relationship. On several occasions it went horribly wrong.
If someone thinks that is wrong or bad, I'm sorry but that's strictly their problem for being self-righteous jerks, not mine. And I'll thank them kindly not to go out of their way to become my problem.
If someone thinks that is wrong or bad, I'm sorry but that's strictly their problem for being self-righteous jerks, not mine. And I'll thank them kindly not to go out of their way to become my problem.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Where were you when I needed you? Just kidding. Well, mostly kidding. Actually just a little bit kidding. (Oh, standard answer to that question ... "avoiding you").
Something that stuck in my mind ... it was on a TV discussion back when Mary Whitehouse (remember her?) was trying to "clean up" TV content in the UK. Someone said "It's just people with low libidos trying to control people with high libidos".
Nobody ought to be compelled by law to express opinions they do not hold.
Is this an allusion to how Jordan Peterson made a name for himself by being a jerk toward his trans students?
☆Dreamwind☆
Active Member
I'm not in the UK so not sure who she is? Sorry. ^^'
That could very well be too. It's a lot more polite then how I'd phrase it. Bless the British for their mastery of sly insults.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Gee. Thanks.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Amd yet countries that aren't sexually ashamed and unhealthily repressed don't have these problems. Actually they aren't only more open and sexually permissive they tend to have lower teen pregnancy and STI rates (turns out teaching responsibility and proper contraception use works a lot).
☆Dreamwind☆
Active Member
Hit the nail right on the head.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Constance Mary Whitehouse CBE (née Hutcheson; 13 June 1910 – 23 November 2001)[2] was a British teacher and conservative activist. She campaigned against social liberalism and the mainstream British media, both of which she accused of encouraging a more permissive society. She was the founder and first president of the National Viewers' and Listeners' Association, through which she led a longstanding campaign against the BBC. A hard-line social conservative, she was termed a reactionary by her socially liberal opponents. Her motivation derived from her Christian beliefs, her aversion to the rapid social and political changes in British society of the 1960s, and her work as a teacher of sex education.[3]
Mary Whitehouse - Wikipedia
Who knows what she would think about the TV shows of today.
☆Dreamwind☆
Active Member
Thanks Alien. So she's sort of like Tipper Gore.Constance Mary Whitehouse CBE (née Hutcheson; 13 June 1910 – 23 November 2001)[2] was a British teacher and conservative activist. She campaigned against social liberalism and the mainstream British media, both of which she accused of encouraging a more permissive society. She was the founder and first president of the National Viewers' and Listeners' Association, through which she led a longstanding campaign against the BBC. A hard-line social conservative, she was termed a reactionary by her socially liberal opponents. Her motivation derived from her Christian beliefs, her aversion to the rapid social and political changes in British society of the 1960s, and her work as a teacher of sex education.[3]
Mary Whitehouse - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Who knows what she would think about the TV shows of today.
I wouldn't make such a baseless aspersion out of concern that someone might ask me to substantiate it.