Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
This man has some serious good thoughts
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Jordan Peterson WOW
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Sedim Haba
Outa here... bye-bye!
Yes, I enjoy all of his lectures. A man for the times, to shed light on folly.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I have heard some of his lectures before, but today was the first time I actually listen to what he was saying.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Seems more like a product of a crisis occurring, together with a big spoonful of believing in the existence of Christ as depicted (and such coming from long ago for him), together with a large dollop of Pascal's Wager. Some of the things he mentions could be interpreted as one wishes even if he seems to think they only have one meaning. The existence of so many different religious beliefs tends to go against this - given they themselves usually cause the conflicts.
Unfortunately his belief in God inevitably seems to force him to choose some particularly religious belief as it does for so many - Christianity in his case - when perhaps he could have replaced his atheism with agnosticism. And behaving as if there is a God - well behaving as you think a moral and compassionate person would do, might fulfil that - which many of us try to do. But then why do we have so many who think they are doing this but are still in conflict with others in various ways - given they can't all be right if they do conflict? The One True Religion - as so many believe?
So, someone still lost but trying hard to make sense of it all - just as so many others are. He should have stuck to psychology.
Unfortunately his belief in God inevitably seems to force him to choose some particularly religious belief as it does for so many - Christianity in his case - when perhaps he could have replaced his atheism with agnosticism. And behaving as if there is a God - well behaving as you think a moral and compassionate person would do, might fulfil that - which many of us try to do. But then why do we have so many who think they are doing this but are still in conflict with others in various ways - given they can't all be right if they do conflict? The One True Religion - as so many believe?
So, someone still lost but trying hard to make sense of it all - just as so many others are. He should have stuck to psychology.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
A bit yes
MyM
Well-Known Member
I understand what you mean, but not everything is about Islam
I was just saying how they spoke
was an awesome video 
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
He's a very divisive figure. I suggest you read the "Views" section of my Wiki link.A bit yes
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I will certainly look more in to him
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I am sure some of his ideas aren't bad, but in looking into him, I've had to sift through his more amplified views on modern culture which appear mostly like he's a guy stuck in the 1950s with social media accounts.
I did watch his debate with Slavoj Žižek and found it hilarious that he spent much of his time berating Marx as a poor academic then admitted he couldn't debate Žižek because he had prepared only by rereading Marx and had not read any of Žižek's work.
I did watch his debate with Slavoj Žižek and found it hilarious that he spent much of his time berating Marx as a poor academic then admitted he couldn't debate Žižek because he had prepared only by rereading Marx and had not read any of Žižek's work.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I believe he has change a lot over time, to better
Nimos
Well-Known Member
I have heard a bit of his talks and debates, he does have some good thoughts. But I don't think they are all that different from what other religious people are saying, to me its mostly comes down to him being good at presenting or a good speaker.
The foundation or his approach I think is flawed. Clearly the man is emotional and he does seem to be very concerned about the wellbeing of humans, which is good. He have chosen to base this on God, which in it self is fine, but he does not provide an argument for this, besides from how I understand him, "have chosen to live as if God exist" which is flawed reasoning in my opinion. Almost all atheists which are also concerned about the wellbeing of humans are humanist, we don't choose to pretend that this is guided by a higher power, but that it is driven by humans and our own interest in treating each other good.
Adding religion to this as a guidance is simply to throw gravel in the machinery for no good reason. Like the fear of hell and that one will be punished, that there are things like sins etc. None of that is needed in order to value the wellbeing of all humans, the only thing it potentially adds, is that another group of people also throwing gravel into the machinery claim that their gravel is better than the other ones and then they start focus on the gravel rather than on the machinery itself.
So he say a lot of good things, but to me nothing new really.
I have however over time, wondered whether religious people and atheists are even remotely understanding each other. Because from seeing this video, its obvious to me, that he is driven by emotions rather than the interest in truth. Whereas atheists prefer it the other way around, truth comes first and in many cases we simply can't obtain it, but that doesn't mean that we can't be emotional or want to achieve the same things as religious people want.
Atheists will reach the conclusion that humans exist, humans gets hurt, humans have emotions and that these things in many cases are caused or influenced by ourselves or other humans. So to fix it or improve it, we can do it based on what we know, which are those things. There is no reason to include a higher power, when such thing is not known to exist and therefore irrelevant in regards to solving the issues, the blame is on us.
Whereas many religious people, seem to argue that we have to live up to some standards issued by a God or we will be punished for not doing so. We have to seek the solutions through the faith in a God and hope that he will help or solve things for us, if we simply pray or improve ourselves enough in the eyes of this moral judge. Problem is that no one know if such being even exist and even if one did, which one it is, because everyone just assume that they chose the right one.
So in many cases, I think atheists and religious people on a fundamental level are on completely different pages when it comes to even engaging in conversations with each other.
This. His Twitter also has numerous embittered, ill-thought-out comments that seem bizarre coming from a man who so often talks about self-improvement.
Between his views on climate change that multiple scientists have debunked, his overgeneralizations about women choosing not to have children, and his misrepresentation of Bill C-16--to name a few things--he strongly seems more motivated by ideology and traditionalism than facts or science.
He may have some good content on psychology, but it's often clear that he's not an expert on religion, politics, social issues, etc.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Antifa, being anti-fascist, scared of Peterson makes sense. He lends academic credence to views that may be best suited to 1940s guys with small mustaches. ;-)
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
And I am also sure I would agree with him in some places. I am a fan of Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell, both of whom inspired him. I feel he tends to cast mythological symbolism and archetypal imagery as a more solid form than Campbell, whose central theme was around modern man needing to develop his own mythology due to human progress. Peterson fears the end of humanity from the feminization of men because chaos is traditionally typified by cultural feminine symbols, ignoring that his own gender associations are highly influenced by his own culture and environment.